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blnymph -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 12:01:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird OK, I take that back .. I forgot to ask the lovely Frau blnymph her take on my proposed translation of the most famous scene from the movie Gone With the Wind, "As God is my witness! (Scarlet digs up a scrawny zucchini, bites into it hungrily, then spits it out and cries inconsolably, stands groggily, looks up sharply and says ... "Gott mein Zeuge ist!" Als Gott mein Zeuge ist! Wenn (falls?) ich lüge, stehle, betrüge oder lösche, oder "I'm Yankee Doodle Dandy!" mit dem Akkordeon spielen mussen!, Als Gott mein Zeuge ist!, wurde ich nie wieder hunger haben! (cue movie title theme ... ) Ok, so I improvised a bit with the Yankee Doodle Dandy on the accordion thing, there, but other than that ... That Fräulein was a bit ticked off, we might surmise. All that was quite silly, folks, to demonstrate that it's near impossible to translate all the pauses and prosody properly from one language to another. Word-for-word translation gets you ~ 25% of the way, on a good day. I could not find my dvd copy to check - you know we get films (mostly badly) overdubbed here usually. An exclamation to start with "als" sounds very odd in german - I guess the english "as" was simply dropped, for her to say: "Gott ist mein Zeuge!"

bounty44 -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 5:02:38 PM)
"Why Liberals Support Muslims Who Hate Everything They Stand For" quote: "I also now realize, with brutal clarity, that in the progressive hierarchy of identity groups, Muslims are above gays. Every pundit and politician -- and that includes President Obama and Hillary Clinton and half the talking heads on TV -- who today have said ‘We don't know what the shooter's motivation could possibly be!’ have revealed to me their true priorities: appeasing Muslims is more important than defending the lives of gay people. Every progressive who runs interference for Islamic murderers is complicit in those murders, and I can no longer be a part of that team." -- Anonymous at PJ Media At first glance, the liberal approach to Islam makes no sense whatsoever. Liberalism is generally hostile to Christianity and it particularly seems to dislike anyone who has strong religious convictions that conflict with liberalism. This describes every devout Muslim on the planet. Liberals go on and on endlessly about a war on women and Islam treats women like garbage. In many parts of the Islamic world, women are forced to wear burkas or veils, are given clitoridectomies to take the pleasure out of sex for them, can’t leave the house or drive without a male relative and may be raped or beaten with impunity. Libs obsess endlessly about gun violence and constantly trash our troops when they accidentally kill civilians. In a large minority of the Islamic world (and a majority in many more fundamentalist countries), innocent women and children are considered fair game and terrorists who murder them in large numbers in places like the Palestinian territories are considered to be heroes. The Left has gone so insane over imaginary violations of “gay rights” that liberals are in favor of driving Christians out of any profession that caters to weddings and they insist that women have to use the bathroom with men because the less than .2% of men who “feel like” women would be uncomfortable using the men’s bathroom. Meanwhile, Islam goes with homophobia the way peanut butter goes with jelly. There are a number of Islamic countries where being gay is a crime with jail or even DEATH as the penalty. So, how can liberals continue to turn a blind eye to all of this? As my friend Evan Sayet has explained, it has to do with the liberal emphasis on “indiscriminateness.” quote: They were raised to believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative. That the only way to be moral is to not discriminate between right and wrong, good and evil, better and worse, truth and lies because your act of discrimination – discriminating between these things might just be a reflection of your personal discrimination, your bigotries. They were raised to believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative because its opposite is the evil of having discriminated. The second bullet point, and this is an essential corollary, is that indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy. It leads the modern liberal to invariably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success. Why? Very simply if nothing is to be recognized as better or worse than anything else then success is de facto unjust. There is no explanation for success if nothing is better than anything else and the greater the success the greater the injustice. Conversely and for the same reason, failure is de facto proof of victimization and the greater the failure, the greater the proof of the victim is, or the greater the victimization. Once you understand this facet of liberal thinking, many of the illogical things that liberals believe make more sense... Additionally, this way of viewing the world makes it extremely difficult for liberals to deal with Islam in a rational way. They are unable to admit that among religions, Islam has a unique problem with terrorism, violence and rape. They are not capable of admitting that there is a particular risk to bringing in Muslim immigrants. Even when a Muslim tells everyone he’s killing people because of his religion, liberals can’t acknowledge his motivation because to do so would mean that they’d have to admit Islam has issues. Until liberals can get past their “indiscriminateness” blind spot, when it comes to Muslims, expect them to keep blaming anything and everything other than religion for the horrible things radical Islamists do. http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/06/18/why-liberals-support-muslims-who-hate-everything-they-stand-for-n2180270

thompsonx -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 6:04:52 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 They were raised to believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative. That the only way to be moral is to not discriminate between right and wrong, good and evil, better and worse, truth and lies because your act of discrimination – discriminating between these things might just be a reflection of your personal discrimination, your bigotries. They were raised to believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative because its opposite is the evil of having discriminated. The second bullet point, and this is an essential corollary, is that indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy. It leads the modern liberal to invariably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success. Why? Very simply if nothing is to be recognized as better or worse than anything else then success is de facto unjust. There is no explanation for success if nothing is better than anything else and the greater the success the greater the injustice. Conversely and for the same reason, failure is de facto proof of victimization and the greater the failure, the greater the proof of the victim is, or the greater the victimization. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 6:07:52 PM)
ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I can see nuclear war coming with them and I hope (we) pull the trigger first. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

BamaD -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 6:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I can see nuclear war coming with them and I hope (we) pull the trigger first. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Yep in your brilliance you can see that it would be better if they nuke us first.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 6:49:07 PM)
Some people take their inability to not shit their pants when watching or reading the news as ... I don't know, "excitement"? "Patriotism?" But screaming at others to throw nukes seems to be part of the program, there.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 6:51:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I can see nuclear war coming with them and I hope (we) pull the trigger first. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Yep in your brilliance you can see that it would be better if they nuke us first. I'll say it again; Not your best outing with the interpretation skills thing today, is it?

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 7:22:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird OK, I take that back .. I forgot to ask the lovely Frau blnymph her take on my proposed translation of the most famous scene from the movie Gone With the Wind, "As God is my witness! (Scarlet digs up a scrawny zucchini, bites into it hungrily, then spits it out and cries inconsolably, stands groggily, looks up sharply and says ... "Gott mein Zeuge ist!" Als Gott mein Zeuge ist! Wenn (falls?) ich lüge, stehle, betrüge oder lösche, oder "I'm Yankee Doodle Dandy!" mit dem Akkordeon spielen mussen!, Als Gott mein Zeuge ist!, wurde ich nie wieder hunger haben! (cue movie title theme ... ) Ok, so I improvised a bit with the Yankee Doodle Dandy on the accordion thing, there, but other than that ... That Fräulein was a bit ticked off, we might surmise. All that was quite silly, folks, to demonstrate that it's near impossible to translate all the pauses and prosody properly from one language to another. Word-for-word translation gets you ~ 25% of the way, on a good day. I could not find my dvd copy to check - you know we get films (mostly badly) overdubbed here usually. An exclamation to start with "als" sounds very odd in german - I guess the english "as" was simply dropped, for her to say: "Gott ist mein Zeuge!" I thought that Deutschesprache allowed for an incomplete clause beginning with a preposition, from which also a sentence can begin with an incomplete clause as the first element. But I certainly take your word on how odd that particular instance of it would sound, in any case. Here's the youtube of that scene, even worse than your bad video, probably. She starts, saying "God as my witness ... As God Is My Witness!!" Not the cap letters as I wrote it, just trying to convey the drama, there. My guess is that word order would dictate; "Gott ist mein Zeuge .. Als Gott mein Zeuge ist!" because the second one beginning with a preposition. Obviously, I left out the next bit of what she said following that, to get to the words that are so famous. "If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill! I will never go hungry again!" What hyper-drama! But an all-time classic anyway. See, there's not even a best way to write properly what is spoken, in english or any other language. Neither here do we write a clause as a 'complete sentence,' but there was no better way to get across how she said it.

Greta75 -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 7:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji The Buddist stance is the lifestyle shouldn't be practiced. I think you probably can google some Dahli Lama articles or quotes on that. The buddhist stance to reach nirvana is no sexual lifestyle should be practised. No marriage between men and women either. It's all equal. To reach Nirvana, you need to give up sex for life. To reach enlightenment in Buddhism means no more fun, no more worldly attachment, no emotional attachment. So of course all types of love relationships are not suppose to happen, including homosexual. But obtaining enlightenment is optional, so if you want to have sex, same sex or heterosexual sex. No problems. Not gonna be stoned for it. You just don't reach enlightenment. And to be frank, Buddha is a nice guy, but he has a terrible hairstyle and all he does is meditate all day. If that is enlightenment, screw all the stuffs that one needs to do to go there! Ha! PS: By default, I am supposed to be a Buddhist. As my entire family, relatives, both mom and dad are all Buddhists. And they still do all the temple visits religiously and celebrate Buddha's birthday and all that crap.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 8:11:05 PM)
By those terms, we can just reach Nirvana when we die. Or we can refute nature and try to attain what is unattainable while in the body that nature gave us, on this planet. On that point, not a whole lot different than Judaism or Christianity or Islam to find some way to say that sex is bad. Was that the first step for those seeking power over others, in the early days? "I am more spiritually pure! Because I refute nature that gave me this loud voice in the first place! The loud voice to tell everybody I don't have sex, so I am better than you!" Amazingly enough, there are even more people interested in loud screamers today than there were in ancient times.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 8:15:21 PM)
Hope none of that was too "leftist" or too "lib" for you, Gretta.

Greta75 -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 8:19:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Was that the first step for those seeking power over others, in the early days? "I am more spiritually pure! Because I refute nature that gave me this loud voice in the first place! The loud voice to tell everybody I don't have sex, so I am better than you!" Not really. The whole point is to have no attachment to anything in this living world. So how can you seek power, when you are suppose to have no attachment to anything or anyone? Yea it is a little like not living at all. On top of that, everyone who chooses not to reach enlightenment will all go to hell to be punished for their sins before being re-incarnated again. So any religion that throws everybody equally to hell, is probably not a great selling point. That's why Buddhism is so unattractive and not such a major religion in the world. Unlike Christianity, where there is promise of heaven, which is suppose to be a better place. Buddhism seem to make it sound like, you can live forever in peace with yourself, immortality, IF you reach enlightenment, which is like a very unattractive state, considering as humans, we crave for company and emotions. But if you don't, no big deal, just keep re-incarnating then and go through the whole life cycle of life over and over again. Homosexuality is not one of the sins punished in Buddhist hell, that's for sure! Unfortunately, Prostitution is.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 8:35:47 PM)
quote: So any religion that throws everybody equally to hell, is probably not a great selling point. That is both the funniest and the most enlightening thing you have said in more than a year, Gretta. But Calvinism, some European variant of Christianity, said that only 90% of people were going to hell, not 100%, like Buddhism, and, being the idiot Europeans they were, decided to be even more stupid than the Catholics ... Ninety% going to hell was actually a selling point! I am not kidding. The Catholics allowing more than 10% into heaven was more lenient than fit their unforgiving nature, as it seems.

Edwird -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/19/2016 8:40:20 PM)
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blnymph -> RE: Dear Gays: The Left Betrayed You For Islam (6/20/2016 11:10:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: So any religion that throws everybody equally to hell, is probably not a great selling point. That is both the funniest and the most enlightening thing you have said in more than a year, Gretta. But Calvinism, some European variant of Christianity, said that only 90% of people were going to hell, not 100%, like Buddhism, and, being the idiot Europeans they were, decided to be even more stupid than the Catholics ... Ninety% going to hell was actually a selling point! I am not kidding. Some limited it down to some few thousands, and it still sells. What sells best is the promise that only all the others will go to hell, but not oneself (if lucky) and of course those who tell you all these fancy stories in the first place. Nobody ever considers how dull a place any heaven thus populated would become if this ever was so.

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