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Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/23/2016 4:21:33 PM   
KenDckey


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Affirmed by an equally divided court. Stops Obama Executive Actions on Immigration. No further explanation given.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-supreme-court-immigration-decision-heartbreaking-for-millions/


The Supreme Court said Thursday morning that it was split 4-4 in the case challenging the president's 2014 immigration actions that would grant roughly 5 million undocumented immigrants a reprieve from deportation. The decision affirms a lower court's decision to block the administration from implementing the programs.
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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/23/2016 11:11:39 PM   
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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/23/2016 11:15:24 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		And, really, immigrants working the farms during the harvesting season, so what ? We do not want those jobs. We want to work in air conditioned offices. I certainly do.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/23/2016 11:31:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make your mind up Term..........first you say you don't want migrants in your country and then in the next post you say you do.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 12:00:00 AM   
KenDckey


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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 12:08:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		you sound like me Ken *smile*.............I was born and dragged up in UK but HATED the cold, so ran away to sea at the first opportunity and spent most of my sea-time on or near the equator; spent five years+ in the Legion, all in north (desert) and west (jungle and rain-forest) Africa; went back to sea after that and then emigrated out here where a cold winters day is about 18 Celcius ( about 65 F I think). Come winter though, I still wish I could hibernate *smile*.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 7:04:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Why do these assholes want people to come here ? I am an intelligent motherfucker who knows about the world and how it is and I do not want anyone, even the likes of Albert Einstein coming here. We need to get up an educational system that produces new Einsteins and Fermis and whatever. HERE, NOT THERE.

T^T

Well, this post alone shows a contradiction in your statements.

An excellent educational system, let's just take that one, costs money and means learning real inquiry and not dogma indoctrination...two things widely opposed in this nation at present.

So we'll continue to be a nation of idiots and we'll continue to import better trained help.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 8:31:03 AM   
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Make your mind up Term..........first you say you don't want migrants in your country and then in the next post you say you do.

I suspect he is talking about guest worker programs, which were common prior to the passage of NAFTA. Workers would come here for a few months to work agricultural jobs (mostly) then return home. They could earn enough money to support family at home and put money aside for other things. When that was an option, you had less people coming in with the intention to stay.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 10:27:55 AM   
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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 1:07:15 PM   
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I liked the guest worker program. Made them legal and they got paid decently.

Agreed.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/24/2016 1:51:30 PM   
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I liked the guest worker program. Made them legal and they got paid decently.

Why do you think that sub minimum wage is being paid decently?

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/25/2016 3:20:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I liked the guest worker program. Made them legal and they got paid decently.

Why do you think that sub minimum wage is being paid decently?


All that I ever knew got paid minimum or more wage. Not to say what your contention is that they were paid less, but at least those I knew weren't. And know they weren't paid under the table.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 7:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Minimum wage only applies to US Citizens.

Many of the people who harvest are paid piecework. How do you reconcile paying piecework with a minimum wage ? You can't. So it simply does not apply. Give them a flat income tax rate, low enough but no deductions for their kids in Mexico, for which some of them take the child tax credit but I think you have to be legal for that. They do not make that much money, so maybe 13 % or something like that flat. Plus all state and local taxes but it is a flat rate and they do not have to file a return.

This would be beneficial to both the federal and local economies. But farmers and other companies which are ALLOWED to hire migrants can only hire what the local population won't take.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 7:40:23 PM   
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Minimum wage only applies to US Citizens.


I think you have your head up your ass on this one.

Many of the people who harvest are paid piecework. How do you reconcile paying piecework with a minimum wage ? You can't. So it simply does not apply. Give them a flat income tax rate, low enough but no deductions for their kids in Mexico, for which some of them take the child tax credit but I think you have to be legal for that.

Obviously you are thinking with something that came out of your ass because that is not true.



They do not make that much money, so maybe 13 % or something like that flat. Plus all state and local taxes but it is a flat rate and they do not have to file a return.

They pay income tax now dumbass.

This would be beneficial to both the federal and local economies. But farmers and other companies which are ALLOWED to hire migrants can only hire what the local population won't take.

How about if we pay what the job is worth and fill those positions with citizens?

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 7:42:14 PM   
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I liked the guest worker program. Made them legal and they got paid decently.

Why do you think that sub minimum wage is being paid decently?


All that I ever knew got paid minimum or more wage.

Bullshit


Not to say what your contention is that they were paid less, but at least those I knew weren't.


Obviously the ones you speak of were not "guest labor"



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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 8:18:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Minimum wage only applies to US Citizens.


I think you have your head up your ass on this one.

Many of the people who harvest are paid piecework. How do you reconcile paying piecework with a minimum wage ? You can't. So it simply does not apply. Give them a flat income tax rate, low enough but no deductions for their kids in Mexico, for which some of them take the child tax credit but I think you have to be legal for that.

Obviously you are thinking with something that came out of your ass because that is not true.



They do not make that much money, so maybe 13 % or something like that flat. Plus all state and local taxes but it is a flat rate and they do not have to file a return.

They pay income tax now dumbass.

This would be beneficial to both the federal and local economies. But farmers and other companies which are ALLOWED to hire migrants can only hire what the local population won't take.

How about if we pay what the job is worth and fill those positions with citizens?




And you "know" all this bullshit how ?

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 8:20:49 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		ILLEGALS ARE USUALLY PAID CASH UNDER THE TABLE.

There ARE legal migrant workers who do pay taxes. I was not referring to them. You got a problem reading ?

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/27/2016 8:24:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it aint bullshit, what you spew is bullshit, read the FLSA, it applies to employees with some exemptions, and citizenship is not one of them.

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RE: Immigration - US vs Texas - 6/28/2016 7:33:25 AM   
KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: KenDckey
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I liked the guest worker program. Made them legal and they got paid decently.

Why do you think that sub minimum wage is being paid decently?


All that I ever knew got paid minimum or more wage.

Bullshit


Not to say what your contention is that they were paid less, but at least those I knew weren't.


Obviously the ones you speak of were not "guest labor"





I am interested in seeing your proof thatt those I knew (which means you would have to know the exact same ones) weren't paid minimum wage. Didn't say all, just those that I personally knew. Seems all you want to do is call me a liar so prove it.

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