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Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/25/2016 8:56:27 AM   
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-u-secessionists-hankering-texit-194835260.html

The Liberals wish it would happen.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 1:42:55 AM   
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Nope...they'd lose their subsidies and the rest of their corporate welfare.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 2:56:53 AM   
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The Liberals wish it would happen.

Not to mention most of "fly over country".
But I don't expect it to happen.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 3:43:16 AM   
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Not to mention most of "fly over country".

Mexico has a "fly over" treaty with amerika.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 6:32:28 AM   
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No, the first thing that will happen is the US military will take their guns. It will make Jade Helm 15 look like it didn't even happen.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 3:01:25 PM   
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I kinda like the idea. It would put another country as a buffer between us and most of the illegals and it would put most of the people who are fucking RW NUTS out of the country.
Someone would still have to counteract the hard core liberals.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 3:17:41 PM   
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If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled. Their business base is growing, unlike that of say - California. California might have jobs but the good ones are leaving. They almost ran Amazon out of there. They've run off quite a few technical companies and folks, technology was the backbone of this economy at one time. We have lost most of it to other countries in which the schools are much better. Try to put a Man on the moon AGAIN. Betcha can't do it. Certainly can't afford it.

If Texas collected as much income taxes and duties as the US government from their Citizens they would be just fine. Their standard of living is already not that great. There is poverty, but then there are less people than in alot of states. They can also make a good piece of the land there arable, there are ways to do that. If they get heavy into agriculture that would help. They would have one hell of a growing season, practically all year. The are close enough to sea water to convert the land, it takes yeears but it can be done. Then they would probably have to put up a desalinization plant because I am not sure exactly where they get their water. If they dig a well it probably has to go five times as deep as one in like Ohio. And they, I think, outlawed fracking.

Actually, all fifty states have resolutions to secede. It only takes something like 100,000 signatures or something like that. The federal government MUST respond but you know what they're going to say. You would think they would simply allow it if this corporate welfare is as much of a load as liberals seem to think. There could also be US military bases there, but they would have to pay rent. So what. Plus the fact that they would not be enemies, they would be alies with treaties and sometimes when the US decides to go to war they could supply a few troops just like Canada does.

I would like to see something happen that greatly reduces the power of the federal government. they have overstepped their bounds by quite a bit. A tax revolt would be nice, but they would just borrow the money for more prisons, or let out the murderers, thieves and rapists. They do that anyway. And Texas, if they want people to move there they need to legalise drugs, at least pot.

They would definitely be able to secure the border then, which might be a good thing. They could make the illegals into migrant workers and make them pay Texas federal taxes. And these guys work in 100F degree heat no problem. People in Florida don't leave their air conditioned houses for parts of the day because of the heat, I mean even to drive their air conditioned car up to the store to get some beer.

They would have to make some changes.

Another thing you have to remember, from the past that hasn't been mentioned much. Congressmen and senators used to run their campaign bragging about how much federal money they are bringing in. So if you are saying they are bringing in more than paying out, what you are saying is that they have more effective legislators at the federal level.

Forgot all about that huh.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 5:36:29 PM   
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Yeah, sure whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_installations_in_Texas

Then they wont mind losing these along with their constituional rights, and their guns and their money. (And their lives).

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 7:45:27 PM   
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I kinda like the idea. It would put another country as a buffer between us and most of the illegals


Actually it would put mexico next to us as always. What would stop mexico from taking texas back?


and it would put most of the people who are fucking RW NUTS out of the country.


They would be expelled two micro-seconds after mexico took over so we would be stuck with them again.



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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 7:46:47 PM   
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If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 7:51:06 PM   
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If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






LOL besides there is no such country as Amerika, that is only a term home grown communists used, there is however America.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 7:54:47 PM   
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If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






LOL besides there is no such country as Amerika,


So without that country that does not exist to protect them texas reverts to mexico.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid



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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 8:37:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






LOL besides there is no such country as Amerika, that is only a term home grown communists used, there is however America.

It is the German spelling of America and was advanced satirically by decidedly non communists against the communist Nazi nutsuckers of the day. The red state nutsucker welfare patients being some of the most commie bastards in the US today.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 8:49:39 PM   
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Another thing you have to remember, from the past that hasn't been mentioned much. Congressmen and senators used to run their campaign bragging about how much federal money they are bringing in. So if you are saying they are bringing in more than paying out, what you are saying is that they have more effective legislators at the federal level.

Perhaps. But the other thing I'm saying is that they are all a bunch of hypocritical liars. Then again, the same could be said of Democrats and it's mostly a question of what, in particular, are they lying about.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 8:56:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






LOL besides there is no such country as Amerika, that is only a term home grown communists used, there is however America.

It is the German spelling of America and was advanced satirically by decidedly non communists against the communist Nazi nutsuckers of the day. The red state nutsucker welfare patients being some of the most commie bastards in the US today.

Nope in the 60's it was a term often used by the far left, I don't blame you for not remembering that since you can't remember what you posted yesterday.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 9:56:38 PM   
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I kinda like the idea. It would put another country as a buffer between us and most of the illegals


Actually it would put mexico next to us as always. What would stop mexico from taking texas back?


and it would put most of the people who are fucking RW NUTS out of the country.


They would be expelled two micro-seconds after mexico took over so we would be stuck with them again.






Who would stop Mexico from taking Texas back ? Texans. Can't smoke weed but everyone over the age of 10 has guns.

And what would Mexico do with it ? Probably be a better federal government than the US one.

Actually, they would do like Israel and put up a wall that Trump thinks he can do. He can't, but locally, independently, they could. Will the Mexicans start shooting rockets over the wall ? I think Texas can get their hands on better weapons than Mexico. It would be the same thing as Israel. The Mexicans would shoot some bottle rockets over the wall into Texas and then the Texans would go down there and kill about 3,000 of them once in a while. Does Mexico even have any warplanes ? If not they are in the same position as Palestine. Texas would be a US ally and could buy some MIGs from Russia and bomb the shit out of them every time one of their bottle rockets scared one of their kids.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 10:03:08 PM   
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"Nope in the 60's it was a term often used by the far left, I don't blame you for not remembering that since you can't remember what you posted yesterday. "

Pretty sure it was the title of a movie in which the US gave up sovereignty to the USSR and the US came under Soviet rule. Came out in the 1970s. It may have been a miniseries on TV, not sure. I remember one line of dialogue "We should have never gave them the NATO forces" or something to that effect.

Now that I think of it, it probably was a TV miniseries which means it will be damnear impossible to find on the internet.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/27/2016 10:11:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.






LOL besides there is no such country as Amerika, that is only a term home grown communists used, there is however America.

It is the German spelling of America and was advanced satirically by decidedly non communists against the communist Nazi nutsuckers of the day. The red state nutsucker welfare patients being some of the most commie bastards in the US today.

And Marx was from ......Germany....and they considered everyone that disagreed with them to be facists.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/28/2016 12:01:30 AM   
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Another thing you have to remember, from the past that hasn't been mentioned much. Congressmen and senators used to run their campaign bragging about how much federal money they are bringing in. So if you are saying they are bringing in more than paying out, what you are saying is that they have more effective legislators at the federal level.

Perhaps. But the other thing I'm saying is that they are all a bunch of hypocritical liars. Then again, the same could be said of Democrats and it's mostly a question of what, in particular, are they lying about.


The republicans are just as capable of making numbers lie as anyone. And they both support the new math. Do you really think unemployment is 9 % or whatever they say it is when if you become ineligible for unemployment insurance benefits that jobs have been created ? And do you really believe that when a company hires more people at 20 hours a week instead of less at 40 that is lower unemployment ?

The only people who believe that bullshit are called sycophants. People who think for themselves believe none of them. And even the unemployment number, they got like U1, U2, U3 and all that, all lies. People, even skilled people cannot get a job and when they do, the skilled are working for half what they're worth.

And inflation, remember "I can't eat an ipad" ? They don't put certain numbers in there that do belong there. Their formula is designed to make the regime look good. It is starting to look like the USSR saying "Last year production increased by __ percent" which has no meaning because as I have mentioned, the workers were sabotaging the products. That is what took the Soviets down, had nothing to do with anything the US did.

And Britain is no big asset either. they make alot of paper money and not a whole lot else. Not as bad as the US but not good. But the People there want the sovereignty back. Fuck the economy as far as they are concerned, they do not want this foreign body stepping on their laws n shit. And I do not blame them one bit. If we had decent politicians I would be pushing for the US to un-entangle itself from NAFTA, MFN, TPP and all that, but it simply would not do any good.

But the fact still remains that all fifty states had secession resolutions passed recently because they had the requisite signatures. And the answer in each case is going to be no, just like it was with the civil war. The federal government wants power over as many people as possible. That is what people who are addicted to power do. In fact they want more, that is why they invade other countries, depose their Presidents and impose US friendly dictators on them. That is why all this foreign aid. The fuck, we supposedly owe these people nothing. And military bases, like 130 of them. WHY ?

In states with populations in the millions of course it was easy to get the requisite signatures on the secession resolution. The Constitution probably should have defined that as a percentage of the population, because at this point in time it is just a nuisance to the feds. But then again they did get the signatures in like Kansas, North Dakota, Vermont. Not many people there. But they still got those "john hancocks". (remember when signatures were called that ?)

Bottom line, if Texas secedes without the permission of the federal government they will have more than the Mexican border to defend. The feds will come after them and there will be another civil war. That means ALL Texas borders will need to be defended. That means that Texas becomes like Palestine. They will not have access to the right weapons to fight off the feds, unless the got alot of money stashed under their matresses. They are going to have to find a way to get Russian missile down there, and Kalishnikovs, and all kinds of mines. they are going to need their own food source, but actually Mexico might become that.

Allying themself with Mexico is not quite a crime in the eyes of the US because Mexico is an ally of Mexico, at least on paper. But one thing the Texans want is rid of the Mexicans. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Much as I would like to see some shit like this happen, it has almost zero chance of happening in my lifetime. If I live another 20 years, people will not be ready to do this. I know the government will keep on fucking people over, but they will keep putting up with it. The revolt should have happened when they called in the gold. Illegal to have gold ? Because a certain ethnic group stole all of it using their banks ? Even back then I guess people had no fucking backbone so now they get what they deserve, fucked.

Anyway, if youse people want to do anything, petition your representatives (not that you have any, but I mean congress and the President) to stay the fuck out of TPP, and to cancel NAFTA and forget about the MFN status they sell to get access to what used to be the best market in the world. We used to keep up with the Joneses, we had to have the newest biggest cars and TVs. And the most powerful stereo, more square footage and a big big lawnmower to cut it. That is because we were making MONEY.

And those trade deals fucked it all up. We did not want our standard of living to go down, who fucking does ? They should have left it alone but in came the lobbyists. I hope there is a hell because they destroyed our way of life.

You used to be able to quit a job and get another the next week. I did it plenty of times. An employer treats you wrong you say "BUFUNGU" and peel tires all the way out their parking lot. At a couple of them I took some asphalt up, because I had real cars. I mean like 400+ HP. And two places, THEY CALLED ME BACK. Again and again and again. Eventually they learned to get along with me. I made them alot of money. Later, at the end of my career the customers did not have the money to pick up the units, and nobody had the money to buy them when they went up for sale. And I was already pissed off at all the taxes I had to pay and get absolutely nothing for it. And don't gimme this driving on the roads shit, that is coming from your property taxes. But they stole that money so they need more to do what they were ALREADY PAID FOR.

This, people, is how the rich get rich.

However, I do not want Ohio to secede. they have no respect for even the Ohio Constitution. There is nothing. Nothing. Pennsylvania is another one, you have to drive ten miles just to buy a six pack of fucking beer there. Who the fuck are they to do that ? Most of the northeastern states, I want no part of them. And after what Willard M. Romney did to "his" state I will never set foot there, and I am surprised that they don't have a problem with people leaving. Though they might have White flight and the minorities are replacing the population fast enough that it does not show much on the statistics. Good fucking luck with that as the productive ones move to other states. Like Texas. I am serious, they are moving to Texas, and believe it or not Utah, and Arizona. Romneycare was a liberal idea but like the ACA designed to make the insurance companies money. They never cared about you or me, except to try to get the vote. Make it look good. Quit kidding yourself. They only care about themself.

And that DOES apply to Texas. And it DOES apply to California.

Governments in other countries though seem to be more responsive. Many of them have proportional democracies and it is not winner take all. But as much as I think that might be a good idea here, I do not want them having a Constitutional convention. Not at all. I don't trust these assholes to run a gas station, half of them would give the gas away and the others would sell the pumps. This is one of the reasons obstructionism can be a good thing. They fuck up everything so logically, they less they do the better. Do not touch that Constitution, because if you do, there are going to be problems on a massive scale. We got 100 million people really sick of the shit but have not connected yet. We got another 100 million who are infirm and cannot do anything. And then we got another 100 million who are IN the government, and believe it or not I have talked to some and the government really cannot trust them.

And then there is the fact that the US military will fire on us. They will give them helmets like at Kent State and tell them the US Citizens are Muslim terrorists. And they will have superior weapons, but less knowledge of the territory, even with their maps and recon. They had maps and recon before and it did not help them. The olman said "You can't beat a people on their own soil" and he was right. It has been proven many times. And they cannot have soldiers killing in their hometown because eventually it comes down to "Hey, there's my Uncle John !". So they have to mixed up and in places where they do not know anyone.

The EU might allow an exit, but the US never will. Get it through your head that it will take bloodshed and alot of it. We might eventually have to do it but there is no way to gather the resources in my lifetime. There are too many people paying for gasoline for their car on a credit card who do not remember that we used to pay cash for new cars. People do not even know these days whether they are buying or leasing a car, and I mean over a decade ago I asked someone this and they did not know. I said "You signed that without reading it or even asking the salesman ?". AND THIS IS TWENTY YEARS AGO.

The light from totally fucked takes about 20 minutes to reach us. (186,000 miles per second)

If Texas exits successfully, I will consider moving there if I decide to quit smoking. I would consider Arizona as well. People retire there for good reason.

But the fact is none of this is going to happen. Seven states tried it a long time ago and got punished very badly after losing. (don't mention Sherman in Savannah, and the "reconstruction" which was the biggest redistribution of wealth in this country)

No, really none of this is gong to happen and in the next couple years I am just going to pull the plug. I almost want to do it now but no. And forget about guns, a plastic bag, a zip tie and a pair of handcuffs. All it takes and I do not add to the statistics. And the kid wants my gun.

This place has turned to shit. It used to be nice. People were nice. Half of them had a gun in the glovebox but nobody hardly shot each other. People has respect. If you caught a kid robbing your garage you grabbed him by the shirt and dragged him home and told his Parents what he did. They would kick his ass so bad he would never do it again. Didn't need a detention home. (DH)

In Texas people run around with shotguns behind the backseat of their pickup trucks. Do they have a higher gun murder rate ? The District of Columbia has extremely strict gun laws and has over five time the gun murder rate. See how well that is working ?

But I digress. In Texas, where the rate is not so low, how many are illegals shot on farms and whatever ? Bottom line is Texas has some good ideas but I don't know why they got a hardon for pot smokers. Colorado learned about how stupid the old way was and picks up a million a month in taxes off the shit. It is time for the feds to MANDATE the legalisation of drugs. And if Texas want out, fight for it. If Arizona wants out, fight for it. They are landlocked though.

But it looks like nothing like that is going to happen with this next regime. Clinton is a militant and we just do not know about Trump.

Another thing, if Texas actually wee to succeed in seceding, there might be two borders to cross to get pot here.

You might think I am putting too much into this issue but it comes back to personal rights and what I am allowed to take into my body. Is it my body or theirs ? That is the question. As I said I only have one problem with those states.

Actually Colorado does look pretty good from here.

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RE: Brexit is a fact. Is Texit next? - 6/28/2016 1:12:20 AM   
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If anyone is saying Texas is dependent upon the federal government's corporate welfare, you are misled.

Without the amerikan military to protect texas, mexico would take it back in a heart beat.



Admittedly, this is state ($7 billion and counting) but the feds wouldn't directly reimburse any because they lose this: The federal government spent about $9,000 per Texan in 2010. The state spent $2,200 — one of the lowest outlays in the country, according to the National Association of State Budget Officers.

“If not for federal money, there just wouldn’t be much provided at all in some public services, and it’s pretty low to begin with,” said Eva De Luna Castro, a budget analyst for the Center for Public Policy Priorities in Austin, which advocates for poor and middle-income Texans. “We’re at the mercy of whatever happens in D.C.” HERE (so yes, Tex. can throw money at corp. America thanks to the feds)

At least Tex. can say they are in the bottom half of states getting fed money...29TH. HERE


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