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Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:18:08 PM   
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I was on bdsm.com / alt.com. I was led there from someone I met from Okcupid. I have experienced light bondage and enjoyed it this girl was very attractive to me and conversation was going well. Despite feeling sure joining and paying for a silver membership on bdsm was a scam. I did it anyway what's $20 bucks right. So once on there I wrote some people local to me and was given someone's email then they had me add them on yahoo. After about two hours of conversation. She asked me to send some non nude pictures. Another hour later she told me in order to meet I would need to pay her agent $500 for my personal collar and a few other necessary items.

This seems like a scam but the conversation is deep and the answers to my questions are real. Very unlike other scams I have seen from other sites.

Below is part of our conversation.

Ok I will be a couple of weeks before I have that being in a family business we use very little cash and everything on card for tracking tax purposes

You of course, can make the payment with your card.

Yes but I can't. I have to use cash or get a new card, might be the easiest thing to do since cash comes slowly.

Time is of the essence, we both know that and making this wait might just mean it is not so much a priority for us.
I hope we are able to make this all happen.

Me too, Goddess. I would feel a lot more comfortable if you would send me a picture holding a piece of paper with my name on it.

Is this a question about trust?

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:23:16 PM   
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If you were my kid, I would disown you and consider myself a complete failure as a parent.


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RE: Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:28:54 PM   
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If you need us to answer this for you, you're not qualified to be here.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:40:09 PM   
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You are not a kid. How desperate are you?

Now listen closely. NEVER, and I mean NEVER send money to someone you have not met face to face.

Then close that computer and get a life.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:45:15 PM   
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Update she just sent me a picture of her passport. If it were not for the real conversation answering every question with complete answers. Honestly seems like a lot of work for $500. So general consensus is this to be a scam. Or are you saying this is normal to show power and dominance over someone?

I have never been scammed before and due to the nature of a Dom/dub relationship it has me caught off guard. Especially since colored to any other attempt to scam me there seems to be a truly intelligent person in the other end.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/25/2016 11:46:12 PM   
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I don't know why scam keeps working, and then I realise, this is exactly how.

It's irony that in my country, it's the women that get scam the most. Men are able to romance them online, be in an online relationship with them, for them to part with hundreds of thousands of dollars for the men they have never met, claiming to be in financial difficulty and needing their help.


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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:13:26 AM   
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I'm not a kid and I am not desperate. Just new to this lifestyle. I was not sure if this was a common practice as I see it is not I will definitely not part with my $500. Just answer me this why and how would they be this good at being a Dom. Right down to rules and daily tasks? It just seems like a lot of effort and how would they and why would they share a passport photo that adds up to exactly what they say they are and who they say they are. The email name matches the actual name on the passport. Most scams I see do not have a name that matches there email. Like holly black is the email sender but they sign there name as Jennifer jones.
Definitely is a sophisticated scam.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:15:15 AM   
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It may not be a scam by the dictionary definition, since the girl might be who she says she is and you will have a meet and a $10 strip of plastic for your money.

However, it's the next best thing since you're being asked for a decent chunk of change in exchange for practically nothing. If you want to pay to get your rocks off, find a reputable mistress. If you want to explore more generally, engage with the local community and/or think how you can appeal beyond your kinky tastes.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:17:11 AM   
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Furthermore every time I have come across a scammer I can catch them in a lie or them not answering a question it is Prefilled rhetoric. Like this new person who messaged me asked me if I had kids. Right after I just said I had no children. These are the ways I spot a fake. This girl has not slipped up not once.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:22:57 AM   
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Thanks remake you. Your response is the only one that has empathy to my situation.

As an example of what I am talking about with the sophistication of the person. Here is the email I just got.

Hello Sub,

I am serious about My search for a slave and would consider you further if you can follow my rules. I believe in Discipline, Humiliation and Kinks. I am a Versatile Domme of Class, Distinction & Sophistication with the experience of unparalleled Domination and alluring control. I am well versed from Sensual & Provocative to Strict & Merciless. It all depends on the understanding of my submissive and what urges I feel my submissive and I have in common. I have more than what it takes to make you my submissive because I am gifted with a wealthy knowledge and understanding of the Psychological and Physical aspects of the S/M B&D Lifestyle. I have over six years of experience as a Domme in the lifestyle. I started doing BDSM before the internet was a common way to connect with partners, when meeting people into BDSM was a much more delicate and personal affair than it is today. I do BDSM because I enjoy the physical control and sexual dominance of the submissive. Being a Mistress in control of my sub fills a need in me that nothing in the vanilla world can fill. I enjoy control of my sub with bondage, I am looking for a submissive whose desire to yield control mirrors my own desire to have control. I do not do BDSM to find my lover or change my life or fulfill all my emotional needs. I have a very good life career, social life, etc. BDSM is something unique, my play with my submissive has a special place in my life, but is not my whole life. I have an average build, very fit and trim. I keep my BDSM activities private and discreet, I am not a group or party player. After six years I have tried a lot of activities but not everything, some things I've not done because they never were to my taste. Other things I've stopped doing because they no longer are much fun for me. I know what I like, I like the rougher types of BDSM play. I have a sadistic streak for discipline; I like lots of impact instruments (whips, crops, canes) and I like to see my sub made helpless by hard bondage including gags, hoods, steel, etc.
The Domme/sub relationship is built on trust. Trust develops over time and through experience with each other. I do not expect to do hard BDSM with a new sub in the first session. The type of physical control and the "hardness" of our BDSM activities would develop as I become more familiar with my sub and our trust in each other grows. I do not subscribe to “SSC” or “Safe, Sane, and Consensual.” This phrase, “SSC,” has become formulaic in the BDSM world, a kind of mantra that people use to bless whatever it is that prefer to do or in its inverse to criticize whatever they don’t like that someone else does. I don’t think “SSC” means much. “Consensual” is the only word in this mantra that has an objective meaning. But do you seriously think most of this community agrees on what is “safe”? Is it “safe” to tie up a submissive, gag him, blindfold him and then whip him into subspace where He often cannot speak coherently? Safe? Really? Objectively? Or is it just safe because you think you are safe when you do it? Safe to set people on fire (albeit temporarily)? Safe to choke them? Safe to electroshock them? All these are common BDSM practices, and I could mention many more. And is most of what this community does objectively “sane”? The label “sane” is purely subjective. What is “sane” in one person’s opinion is wildly insane in another’s. More accurately, actions are neither sane nor insane, the sanity or insanity is in the person doing them. I agree one should play with sane people of course. Finding them requires looking for more than “SSC” on a profile, some of the persons practicing BDSM have some serious mental problems—independent of their interest in BDSM, BDSM is not a mental problem, nevertheless we must recognize that some of the people doing it are quite a mess for other reasons yet they dutifully repeat that the practice “SSC,” which shows the emptiness of the label “SSC” and its uselessness as a guide to who you should play with. I follow a somewhat different standard. I follow RACK: Risk Aware Consensual Kink, "The name is self explanatory". Both partners understand the risks of what they are doing. They consent to doing it knowing the risk, they take whatever precautions they think are appropriate. This recognizes the subjective element of judgment in what we are doing; it doesn't try to hide it behind objective sounding words like “safe” or “sane.”I do not do drugs, I have one submissive at a time. Make sure all order given by the Goddess are dully carried.


Hope to hear from you soon.


Your one and only,

Goddess A

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:27:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jp2222

Furthermore every time I have come across a scammer I can catch them in a lie or them not answering a question it is Prefilled rhetoric. Like this new person who messaged me asked me if I had kids. Right after I just said I had no children. These are the ways I spot a fake. This girl has not slipped up not once.

The fact that you are questioning whether she is a scam or not, is your SIXTH SENSE telling you, she is a scam! A good one! Until you meet her in real life and establish that she is a real person. Proceed with caution.

Women who aren't scam, wouldn't even make you ponder whether she is a scam or not. You'd simply feel like you are two human beings making a genuine connection.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:31:35 AM   
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How could someone be this good. What would there end game be?

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:35:19 AM   
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I appreciate all the input from everyone. I am blown away by the sophistication of this woman or whoever it is behind this all. I honestly am thinking about giving the money just to see how it plays out. Not with the expectation that they are real but for the admiration of the sophistication of the scam and to see how it plays out. $500 is not a lot of money to me. It is enough that I pause but not much more than that.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 12:43:42 AM   
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Remake you. I have a question you said explore this in my local community. Any tips on how to find a reputable way to find someone local or the local community. I am in Oklahoma. Does not seem to be an easy thing to find.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 1:10:57 AM   
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I just logged on Fetlife and looked at what's in Tulsa. A quick look showed two major dungeons doing events.

As a rule of thumb, this place is more of a traditional personals site, while fet is better for finding events and communities. But since meeting in person and making a name for yourself is usually more effective for sub guys, knowing what events and communities are out there would be rather handy.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 1:33:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
If you were my kid, I would disown you and consider myself a complete failure as a parent.

Harsh words... but ones I concur with, regrettably.

OP, you seem like a nice guy. You are nothing but prey. Problem is, your little guy is enjoying being made to feel like prey. The attention. The pursuit. Feeling sought after.

There is nothing sophisticated about this con. You are the quintessential gullible greenhorn of a mark. I will call it a con even if you do actually get to meet this woman, which chances are, you probably won't. Once she has your $500 and can see you are not sub-Daddy Warbucks, she more than likely is not going to risk venturing out of her lair - er, protective on-line cocoon - to meet a total Internet stranger. Make no mistaken assumptions about it. She is a complete stranger, just as much as you are to her. She could possibly be a psycho nutcase, for all you know. Cool and calculating... until you piss her off... and you will sooner or later. "She" might not even be a cis female, if that's what you are expecting.

Do this. Absolutely refuse to become her instant sub, because that is how she is treating you. You do not "earn" the right to be owned as a sub by doling out money. A Domme does not "earn" the right to conduct herself like your instant Mistress-Owner after swapping a few messages with you. Seriously, dude. If you want to pay for a play session with a pretend Mistress, then go hire a reputable ProDomme and get your money's worth!

Otherwise, have more self-respect, For Fuck's Sake.

Rule No. 1: Never send anyone money. [...who is not personally known to you and already on your PayPal Friends & Family list]
(You are wrong about her level of sophistication in this day of photo-shopping galore. Sophistication would be for her to request that you send a nominal donation of $25 to her favorite non-profit charity either in her name, or else have you provide her with proof that you acted in good faith to respect her wishes. This proof would also serve to demonstrate that you are who you say you are identity-wise, so it would serve a dual purpose if she were sincerely interested in considering you as a prospective sub.)

Rule No. 2: Being a submissive does not mean you are supposed to be submissive to random Dominants.
Subpart 2.A: Instead of making you more desirable as premium property, it makes you appear less desirable, as in lacking the necessary qualities of dedication, devotion, and abiding loyalty to your future Owner.

I'll let you in on a not-so-secret of sorts. No woman respects a man who is easily manipulated and who does not demonstrate sound judgment. It smacks of desperation. Such a man cannot be trusted, and no Domme wants to keep an untrustworthy fool of a submissive.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 3:27:22 AM   
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These are the ways I spot a fake. This girl has not slipped up not once.

You mean other than that pesky asking for money thing.
Dude, this is fake.
Period.

And that letter you write, yeah....no.
Not a single fucking bit.
(OK, maybe parts of the first paragraph can be salvaged, but that second paragraph should be jettisoned in its entirety)
Look over her profile, find something that strikes a chord, Write a quick small missive about that.
"Hey, I see you like hot air ballooning. So do I. Last year I had the wildest experience with a balloon, two chimps freshly escaped from the local zoo, a rainbow trout and a pair of matching identical twin Latvian dwarves..."

Do it like hitting on a girl at a supermarket, short, sweet, not fucking creepy, to the point.
Catch her attention but don't lose it. Leave her wanting more. Leave her thinking "Hey, I want to know this guy."
Hopefully make her smile. Girls love a guy that can make them laugh.

That treatise you have is just that, a treatise. It's too long, feels like a diatribe, very much feels like spam cookie cutter shit, and my bet is that few women actually read it in its entirety and instead utterly dismiss out of hand. It comes off as smug, arrogant and close-minded, and those are the good points

Hint #1-Make her feel special. All girls want that. Give something personal and precise, aimed at her
Hint #2-Drop the uberdom shit. Approach her as if, gasp, she is a person. Get to know the, gasp, person. Act as if there's a real live human being with thoughts and hopes and feelings and dreams on the other end. Not a sextoy fantasy for you to dump cum in.
Hint #3-If you have to say how dominant or take charge you are....you ain't
Hint #4-Don't fucking lecture in an opening message. I mean fuck, how much sense does it take to know that's going to be construed as offensive?
Hint #5-All that stuff re SSC and consent is fodder for future talks. Cut it from an opening intro.
Hint #6, and I stole this from mouse-If you can't pick up a hottie in real life, you likely won't be able to online. This should be a cyberlaw.
Hint #7-Include a question, something that elicits a response. Give her the prompt. What she does with it is up to her but you should leave the 'in' as a responsible conversationalist

This probably hurts your feelings.
Shrugs.
C'est la vie.
I'm actually trying to be kind.
Criticism, if constructive, is good.
Take it as intended. Trust me here, I could have been much much harsher.
Just sayin....

Oh yeah, one last thing...
NEVER SEND MONEY. PERIOD.UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES. NO. JUST NO.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 3:29:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
...No woman respects a man who is easily manipulated and who does not demonstrate sound judgment. It smacks of desperation. Such a man cannot be trusted, and no Domme wants to keep an untrustworthy fool of a submissive.

Together with what LP said, and Opal's explanation, this last bit is very poignant.
Far too many do-me subs fall for this clever scam.

Contrary to the beliefs of a lot of (mostly male) subs, most dominants want a bright, intelligent sub; not a weak doormat.

ETA: This bit should have had your red flags waving and klaxon's sounding -
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jp2222
Time is of the essence, we both know that and making this wait might just mean it is not so much a priority for us.
I hope we are able to make this all happen.

All they want is to extract money from you until there is no more then move on to the next sucker.



< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 6/26/2016 3:42:04 AM >


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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 3:51:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jp2222
What would there end game be?


money for (virtually) nothing.

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RE: Is this a scam - 6/26/2016 5:39:50 AM   
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this is what I call subfrenzy, you are so eager to submit to anyone that says they are Dominant, doesn't mean they are Dominant though.

FieryOpal said it right. Also go to muches and events and get to know people and the lifestyle. The lifestyle unless you are hiring a professional Domme, isn't about meeting people online and throwing money to them because they tell you to.

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