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Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 3:48:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

Now it’s over to Breyer: “There are two laws. I am focusing on the first law. The first law says that a doctor at the abortion clinic must have admitting privileges in a hospital … nearby, right?” Yes, says Keller. “Where in the record will I find evidence of women who had complications, who could not get to a hospital, even though there was a working transfer arrangement … because the doctor himself has to have admitting privileges? Which were the women? On what page does it tell me their names, what the complications were, and why that happened?”

Keller replies that this isn’t in the record. Breyer continues, "So Judge Posner then seems to be correct where he says he could find in the entire nation, in his opinion, only one arguable example of such a thing, and he’s not certain that even that one is correct.” Breyer leans in, “What is the benefit to the woman of a procedure that is going to cure a problem of which there is not one single instance in the nation, though perhaps there is one, but not in Texas.” People laugh.


Emphasis mine.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2016/03/in_oral_arguments_for_the_texas_abortion_case_the_three_female_justices.html

Yep. I thought I had read something about this part of the record. So far I am finding instance where clinics were cited for potential problems in Texas, but no actual cases where women were harmed and would have benefited from the requirements of this law.




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 3:50:15 PM)

FR

"because the doctor himself has to have admitting privileges?"

Y'all got a point there. ANYONE can go to the hospital. If the chick gets into trouble, what his medical license prevents him from calling an ambulance ?

People in government are fucking crazy. And not in a good way.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 4:02:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

So all you do by outlawing or restricting access to abortion is to either make it cost a couple thousand for a D&C or they start getting out the coathangers again.

Your call.

T^T


Yep. All you have to do is google "home abortions in Texas" and you get pages of reports on how the number has risen. One of many I read mentioned as many as 250,000. Some by meds from Mexico, some by coathangers, some by being punched in the stomach.

Yeah, no potential for complications there.




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 4:05:08 PM)

Wow.

So they are about as effective as a government.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 4:11:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Wow.

So they are about as effective as a government.

T^T

Who knows what the real numbers are. No way to know on such a provocative topic. But there is no way to deny that it is happening.




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 4:50:44 PM)

And then some rich girls do not want to tell and throw the kid in a dumpster. Yeah, THAT'S better than abortion.

My Aunt had a kid out of wedlock in the early 1960s. They drove her 3,000 miles away to have the kid and give him up for adoption. That shows you their mindset. He went into law enforcement and later into real estate. I finally met him recently as he sought her out. It was at a funeral but we have a good time at funerals. Grieving is done privately in this family. We also accept death in a way that few do, or even can. So we're talking and I said "Well as long as you're not a cop", well not anymore anyway.

I think, even if abortion was legal she would not have had one. In fact, I heard that Women who have abortions tend to have guilt after, in fact mental problems to the point where they need phyche drugs. But that is only a certain kind of people. Others are simply animals. Seriously, I consider a Woman that has an abortion an animal. But animals sometimes eat their young, if they don't smell right or the environment has no food. They go into heat and will refuse no male even if they are starving. One thing I do not understand about human physiology is why homosapien females go into heat every month instead of a couple times a year. Can you imagine how much less of a problem this would be if they could only get pregnant like during two months of the year ?

But animals are allowed to kill their young so I guess homosapiens should have that right as well. It is not a good thing but it is necessary. Supposedly god said be fruitful and multiply, I think it is time he said STOP. We are seven billion. The food is sufficient due to madeern farming methods but the real nutrients are diluted. You are eating empty carbs and that makes people sick. Sick with problems that are not easily cured. Diabetes for one, PROVEN. but do they tell people ? No, other homosapien animals profit from it. And the government, at least here, consider us collateral for the debt. So even though they finally allowed abortion, via the supreme court, the other two branches of government nurture people who belong dead.

We need abortomats on every corner, like McDonald's. Stick you feet in the stirrups and push the button. Second one comes with a free tubal ligation which means we have to sponsor less murders. If they are going to keep doing it and they do not want the kids, they should welcome sterilization. What, they want to have ten abortions and then later raise a family ? They ain't going to raise anybody.

And if they want to kill their own kids, just how well you think they will raise them if prevented from getting rid of them ? Animals that want to eat their young but are prevented from doing so by humans will not feed them. What the fuck does anyone thing these females that can't even read are going to do ?

I know quite a few people who decided to not have kids, or only have one, maybe two. The ones who had five raised a bunch of illiterate animals. And they were not too smart but even if they were they did not have much to teach the kids. Actually the Father, after the sixth kid, signed the papers to have his olady fixed. Claimed he couldn't read but that was bullshit. They forcibly sterilized one of his daughters later, but not by tying her down, by threatening to take away her social security, and she has never worked a day in her life. And by the way, they have white skin.

Go ahead and kill you kids.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 5:21:19 PM)

Dude, you got some outlandish opinions but you clearly have put some thought into them, so I can't say you are a total psychopath. You sure as hell don't follow the crowd.[:D]




dcnovice -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 5:43:44 PM)

You're a much better person than I am.




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 6:13:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Dude, you got some outlandish opinions but you clearly have put some thought into them, so I can't say you are a total psychopath. You sure as hell don't follow the crowd.[:D]


What I said about the people I know is all true. they actually did have six kids but one died in a house fire. The house fire was probably caused by not maintaining the house, they were always known for not having a nice house even though the guy made good money. they were worse than slobs. The olman went over there and almost had to laugh, the dog and the cat were fighting the rats over a bag of dog food. They always had roaches real bad. The place always stunk. His olady didn't take a bath for decades. There were times we went to visit them when I was a kid and I could not stand the smell and had to go outside.

We have never followed the crowd. I could never even stand top 40 music, well most of it. In the old days when we had five TV channels, when we were deciding what to watch on Friday night we preferred the ones with less stars. The worse it was rated the better. Even though we were among the first to have color TV, half of what we watched was in black and white.

I'd like to go back to that ime but that ain't happening. Perhaps that is why I like scifi that includes time travel. In fact I wrote a story about it. It doesn't start out that way but a guy ends up in stasis for 400 years and wakes up in the future. He goes to school and learns the technology and actually advances it and does time travel, which is illegal. goes back in time to people in his little "Group Of Five" and gives people in the past the modern technology and they build on it and in the space of a few decades advance technology by about 500 years. It is not all that well written but certainly readable, it is published on AB's site and I can provide a link for the asking. But it does express some of my political and social views. And of course the old "What if I could" situation. Well, in that fiction we could. And we did. But remember one thing, I firmly believe that time travel will never ever be possible and have doubt about Einstein's theories on it. They say he has been proven right but I do not buy it, I believe the variables used are off, and while it does help make GPS work, it does not mean you cannot go faster than C nor does it indicate you can to backward or forward in time. That may be one of things that draws me to such things.

But anyway, by my law there would probably never be a Beethoven. He was what, the seventh kid of a broad who had syphilis ? But then he went deaf, right ? In my world she would have never had seven kids, and how the hell did she support them ? I am pretty sure there was no welfare.

I know the ramifications of what I say. Want a piece of what I consider one of the best rock songs ever ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcKhqlFz4Q

(BTW, I have a much better copy of that)

That is based on The Fifth. And if I was running the world I know it would not exist. But so be it. Things would be different.

What if Hitleer's Mother had an abortion ? Or better yet Stalin, he killed alot more. But then there would be more people and we would need more abortions than we do need now.

It is a fucking crime but we have to be realistic. Just like you want to limit the 2nd amendment to exclude at least, violent criminals, well the right to life has limits as well.

I am also a big proponent of the death penalty, but only in cases where there is no doubt. Reasonable doubt is one thing, no doubt is another. I mean firm physical evidence, not just testimony. this country executed like an eight year old kid. It has been a while and it was in the South and the kid was Black, but from what I have read they did not prove the case beyond all doubt. I fully understand the concept of reasonable doubt and when it comes to thievery, even rape that is one thing. (and if there is no doubt of a forcible rape, execution is warranted because that is not a person, it is an animal) thievery should not result on execution, but rape and murder should, but only if it is beyond all doubt.

People got this ridiculous idea that life is so precious. It ain't. You send your kids to die for oil companies, WTF are you talking about ? Stop pretending, you don't care, I am just honest about it. Letting your kid enlist in the army is almost murder because he is likely to either die or get fucked up in the head for BP and Exxon. Life ruined either way.

And they talk about vets killing themselves ? There is more than a suicide every day IN the military. And about 30 % of them are on psychotropic drugs. /ad they are bitching about hearing these little boys scream when the US friendly Afghanistanians are raping them up the ass. Those males are NOT Muslim. that shit is strictly outlawed as is growing poppies for opiates. But the US needs those opiates and that is the real reason the Taliban had to go.

No, life does not have the value some people put on it. they have not been around, seen Man's inhumanity to Man. They talk about Hitler and Stalin, the US has committed more war crimes than both of them together. It is not the number dead, it is the way they died. I quick painless death is one thing. Let's talk napalm. Oh yeah, it was just a defoliant. BULLSHIT. It was used to bring in the fear factor being such a horrible way to die. And the US mined the phosphorous used in it right from their own country. No wonder they do not like us.

But I digressed. Human life is not worth shit. Most are self centered asshole who think that might makes right. Look at the schoolgrounds with the bullies taking the lunch money. And this is decades ago. Now they need cameras to see if they are packing a shank. And now, they seem to be able to insult each other so much someone commits suicide, at 12 years old.

Stop. Stop giving the government cannon fodder and collateral and taxpayers. Let it die off from attrition. Abort them all.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 6:15:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

You're a much better person than I am.

I said not a "total" psycho. There are people just on these boards that I would qualify as being worse. Fortunately, I have most of them on hide. Most... Not all. Lol




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 7:01:41 PM)

I never hide anyone. I want to see the shit they spew about me and be able to respond and put them down.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/27/2016 7:48:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I never hide anyone. I want to see the shit they spew about me and be able to respond and put them down.

T^T

I have hidden some posters because, while they post frequently, their posts serve no purpose other than to provoke others and harass. Some do that regularly, but they also occasionally add to discussion as well, so I don't hide them. But if they have nothing to contribute besides sowing dissent, on hide they go. I don't really give a rat's ass what they say about me. And it makes for a much better reading experience when you aren't distracted by irrelevant verbal vomit.

There are some that are so out of tune with reality that I begin to lose faith in humanity reading their crap, or I cringe just knowing that people like that are in the gene pool still, so I try to pretend that they don't exist.

I don't come on here to get agitated by asshats that have nothing better to do than agitate others for entertainment. So I don't let them get in the way of what I do come on here for.




Termyn8or -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/28/2016 1:17:23 AM)

I want to see what they say about me, and fuck with me.

And fuck back.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/28/2016 10:31:33 AM)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/greg-abbott-texas-abortion-law_us_57717093e4b017b379f6cb23
Texas Governor Admits Anti-Abortion Law Was About Restricting Abortion

After the Supreme Court on Monday struck down his state’s law that would have shuttered dozens of abortion clinics, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) condemned the decision by arguing that it jeopardizes the state’s objective “to protect innocent life.”





Lucylastic -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/28/2016 10:39:24 AM)

Its Texas..its a republican Gov, .Doesnt surprise me, but other states are likely to face the same problems with their "protecting the lives of the innocent."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/how-many-states-could-see-their-abortion-restrictions-struck-down-after-the-supreme-courts-big-ruling/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1


<snip>
Nash said nearly half of states have some kind of law related to clinical provisions, but only a handful have a restrictive version like Texas's: Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Virginia. She said she'd expect to see some or all of the five states' clinical provision laws challenged after Texas.<snip>

2016 marks the fifth straight year they've passed a large number of abortion restrictions. In 2011 alone, Republican legislatures passed some 92 laws limiting abortions. In total, the past five years account for a quarter of all abortion restrictions enacted since the Supreme Court legalized abortion in 1973.


Another bunch of bullshit because this happens
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/04/14/miscarrying_woman_denied_medication_misoprostol_can_be_used_for_both_abortion.html

Earlier this month, in my piece about the Purvi Patel “feticide” case in Indiana, I predicted increased harassment of women who are miscarrying, on the suspicion that they're trying to obtain misoprostol to induce abortions. (Because the drug expels the contents of the uterus, misoprostol can be used both in abortions and to treat incomplete miscarriages.) That day has come already to Milledgeville, Georgia, where Brittany Cartrett claims that a pharmacist refused to fill a prescription for misoprostol that her doctor prescribed for her miscarriage.

Cartrett explains on her Facebook page:

After discussion with my Doctor, we decided to go the less invasive route and choose a medicine that I could take at home to help miscarry naturally, especially since my body wants to hold on to the little miracle. I get a phone call from the doctor stating that the ‪#‎Walmart‬ in Milledgeville, GA (yes the one I used to work at) doesn't feel comfortable with filling this prescription. She was going to call and figure out what is going on and call me back. Well about 5 minutes later she calls and says, "They won't fill it. They won't tell me why. But they won't fill it." So we find another place to fill it and I thank her. ....They WON'T fill it. Not that they CAN'T. But they WON'T. Now, I have another prescription there that I have to get. So I go up to Walmart and I get my prescription and the #Walmart pharmacist comes to me for my consultation and asks If I have any questions. I tell her yes, but not about this one. I ask her why they refused to fill the other prescription I had. She looks at me, over her nose and says "Because I couldn't think of a reason why you would need that prescription." ..... Excuse me?! I tell her my reasons for needing it, and she says "Well, I don't feel like there is a reason why you would need it, so we refused to fill it."





Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/28/2016 11:40:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Its Texas..its a republican Gov, .Doesnt surprise me, but other states are likely to face the same problems with their "protecting the lives of the innocent."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/how-many-states-could-see-their-abortion-restrictions-struck-down-after-the-supreme-courts-big-ruling/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1


<snip>
Nash said nearly half of states have some kind of law related to clinical provisions, but only a handful have a restrictive version like Texas's: Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Virginia. She said she'd expect to see some or all of the five states' clinical provision laws challenged after Texas.<snip>

2016 marks the fifth straight year they've passed a large number of abortion restrictions. In 2011 alone, Republican legislatures passed some 92 laws limiting abortions. In total, the past five years account for a quarter of all abortion restrictions enacted since the Supreme Court legalized abortion in 1973.


Another bunch of bullshit because this happens
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/04/14/miscarrying_woman_denied_medication_misoprostol_can_be_used_for_both_abortion.html

Earlier this month, in my piece about the Purvi Patel “feticide” case in Indiana, I predicted increased harassment of women who are miscarrying, on the suspicion that they're trying to obtain misoprostol to induce abortions. (Because the drug expels the contents of the uterus, misoprostol can be used both in abortions and to treat incomplete miscarriages.) That day has come already to Milledgeville, Georgia, where Brittany Cartrett claims that a pharmacist refused to fill a prescription for misoprostol that her doctor prescribed for her miscarriage.

Cartrett explains on her Facebook page:

After discussion with my Doctor, we decided to go the less invasive route and choose a medicine that I could take at home to help miscarry naturally, especially since my body wants to hold on to the little miracle. I get a phone call from the doctor stating that the ‪#‎Walmart‬ in Milledgeville, GA (yes the one I used to work at) doesn't feel comfortable with filling this prescription. She was going to call and figure out what is going on and call me back. Well about 5 minutes later she calls and says, "They won't fill it. They won't tell me why. But they won't fill it." So we find another place to fill it and I thank her. ....They WON'T fill it. Not that they CAN'T. But they WON'T. Now, I have another prescription there that I have to get. So I go up to Walmart and I get my prescription and the #Walmart pharmacist comes to me for my consultation and asks If I have any questions. I tell her yes, but not about this one. I ask her why they refused to fill the other prescription I had. She looks at me, over her nose and says "Because I couldn't think of a reason why you would need that prescription." ..... Excuse me?! I tell her my reasons for needing it, and she says "Well, I don't feel like there is a reason why you would need it, so we refused to fill it."



I cannot even imagine being in that position.

I honestly don't understand how people can be so self-righteous. Talk about inhumane.

It was all over the local paper yesterday how my state has similar restrictions as Texas had. They passed some abortion restrictions a couple of years ago, and while one was struck down in court, the facility provisions were upheld. Curious to see what happens here.




Wayward5oul -> RE: TX abortion dr hosp privilege fails (6/28/2016 11:51:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I want to see what they say about me, and fuck with me.

And fuck back.

T^T

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