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Greta75 -> I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/27/2016 9:24:52 PM)
I think that the Church not only should apologise ... to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologise for having blessed so many weapons. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/pope-says-church-should/2907424.html Rather than keep denying that Islam has commited any atrocities at all, and keep claiming it has nothing to do with their religion. Kudos to Pope Francis for taking responsibility! And showing a good example. As long as the Muslims refuse to admit their religion is the problem, and stay in denial mode for life, their whole radical Islamic countries and nations and their radical people will never change and keep terrorizing the world and their own people. After all, if you don't admit what the problem is, then there is no problem, you will never solve the problem. This is exactly why there is hope for Christianity to become a peaceful religion, whereas there is ZERO hope for Islam. Still waiting for Islamic Nations to apologise for putting so many gay people to death though. crickets

MrRodgers -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 12:49:40 AM)
All religions are a problem. The problem is just worse for Islam if only because so many of the brainwashed act on the doctrine of jihad and martyrdom. Christianity has for most but not all, been secularized away from most of its violence. As for the Pope...don't make laugh. And just when did the Christians ever truly apologize for all they out to death, not to mention the Catholics even truly make an accounting for their child rapists ?

DaddySatyr -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 12:56:22 AM)
I think "Pope" Francis aught to be more like Pope St. Pius V. I guess that's why there's eight horses in a race. Michael

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 12:58:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers As for the Pope...don't make laugh. And just when did the Christians ever truly apologize for all they out to death, not to mention the Catholics even truly make an accounting for their child rapists ? It's very important for a religious leader to speak out publicly and admit that their religion has done some very bad stuffs and apologise for it. It leads a good example. And also will set precedence to more action to prevent those things from happening more and more. I want Muslims to start apologizing for their terrorists and EVERYTHING that is going on in their Islamic countries that oppresses women. They should start apologizing for stoning women for rape! Pope Francis has apologised for the children who got exploited. That is good! They need to own it! And take responsibility! And call it out! It's fucking annoys me that Islam constantly stays in constant denial about the things their religion causes. You know, it's no different from that father and judge who thinks it's just 20minutes of action and no big deal. Total Denial of the impact caused.

WhoreMods -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 4:34:39 AM)
What, Catholic? I don't think their flocks would like that much...

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 5:44:27 AM)
~FR~ We've danced this dance before ... why don't Muslim leaders speak out, etc. The forum has been flooded with links of Muslim leaders doing exactly that. The real trouble is putting your hands over your ears and pretend that's not really happening. Kind of like liking what Pope Francis says, then carrying on with life as usual without doing anything about what you heard. Or being so blindly xenophobic that facts just don't trump your beliefs.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 5:56:10 AM)
The forums has been filled with links to Muslims leaders denying this Islam fault, they speak out and claim that, it all has nothing to do with Islam and Islam disapprove of those actions, blah blah blah. Show me one where a significant notable Muslim leader actually take responsibility for it, and admit they have problems with Islam. How about calling out to Muslims to apologise? None of the Muslims leaders did. Pope Francis is asking catholics and christians to apologise and ask for forgiveness. His actually coming from a humbled place, acknowledging that his religion has caused problems.

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 5:59:59 AM)
Again, this has been done repeatedly. Why would you listen this time? You've decided you just know. Google it yourself -- Muslim leaders around the world consistently speak out against violence and radical Islam. And Francis is. Christians are not.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:01:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Again, this has been done repeatedly. Why would you listen this time? You've decided you just know. Google it yourself -- Muslim leaders around the world consistently speak out against violence and radical Islam. And Francis is. Christians are not. I'm asking for them to take responsibility. They always want to differentiate. But Francis is practically saying that these evil Christians did wrong! Christians and Catholics have did wrong. He didn't try to excuse himself or say that, we are not all like them, blah blah blah, like the Muslims always does. He makes no excuses. He simply humbly urge the ones who did wrong to ask for forgiveness and apologise. All the links of Muslim leaders speaking out denounced the radical muslims as muslims and try to distance themselves from them, RATHER than take responsibility. It's very dishonest of them. HUGE difference.

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:03:53 AM)
I know. Muslims bad. Everyone else good. Keep telling yourself that. I won't make you feel good, though. Maybe follow Francis' lead and come from a more humble place?

WhoreMods -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:07:22 AM)
All Catholics answer to the Pope, so he can make blanket statements for the faith as a whole. When a boss Moslem is elected as the head of all branches of Islam, he might be able to make statements of that sort. Until then, you'll just have to put up with individual Imans making individual statements for individual moslem factions. I do like that you're taken with the idea of all the Islamic sects unifying into a single top down power structure, though: given your general attitude towards teh ebil moslems, I'd have thought that was the sort of idea that would scare the shit out of you.

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:12:46 AM)
...and the Pope speaks for Catholics, not all Christians. Just another sect -- 16% of Christians globally.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:19:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I know. Muslims bad. Everyone else good. There is good and evil in everybody. But Muslims support a religion that supports wife beating and oppression of freedom of religion. To me, anybody who supports those 2 things, are not totally good hearted people. And to be honest, if I know someone who attends church religiously every Sunday, I automatically don't have a good impression of that person too. I like non-religious Christians. Just like I prefer Muslims who drink alcohol and eat pork and don't attend mosque. I don't have a good impression of most religions. But I appreciate the Pope admitting and acknowledging the faults of his own religion. That's honesty. No Muslim leaders have done so yet. Apologise or Admit. All they did is claim that, those people aren't Islam, they aren't doing what Islam wants. Denial, lies. Rather than tell the truth.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:22:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ...and the Pope speaks for Catholics, not all Christians. Just another sect -- 16% of Christians globally. "We Christians have to apologise for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologise! Forgiveness! Lord, it is a word we forget so often!" he said. Maybe the Christians don't acknowledge Catholics as Christians. But the pope was apologizing for both Christians and Catholic as a whole collective.

WhoreMods -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:26:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ...and the Pope speaks for Catholics, not all Christians. Just another sect -- 16% of Christians globally. "We Christians have to apologise for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologise! Forgiveness! Lord, it is a word we forget so often!" he said. Maybe the Christians don't acknowledge Catholics as Christians. But the pope was apologizing for both Christians and Catholic as a whole collective. Which will not endear him to many non-Catholic Christians, least of all the more esoteric brands of baptist they have in the 'States.

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:28:09 AM)
Do you think Christians need to apologize for Timothy McVeigh? Or attacks on abortion doctors? Or the crap in Leviticus? Face it -- you live in your own mental construction, and nothing will change you from being willfully mental. Some people just need a bogey man to explain their problems and fears. You are one such person.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:28:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods I do like that you're taken with the idea of all the Islamic sects unifying into a single top down power structure, though: given your general attitude towards teh ebil moslems, I'd have thought that was the sort of idea that would scare the shit out of you. Islam is different from Christianity in the way their holy source is put together. Islam has the Quran purely from one source, Muhammed. Christians, and Catholics, all over the place, their sources, sooo many prophets. They may disagree on a few technicalities, but there is alot unifying main beliefs. I mean, compare to Iran to Saudi. One is Shia and one is Sunni. Both still prosecute women for rape. And both still kill gay people. So what's the difference between the sect? One is not less atrocious than the other.

Musicmystery -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:29:54 AM)
Wow. You're as ignorant about Christianity as you are Islam. I have better things to do today. You have fun spewing off.

WhoreMods -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:30:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 They may disagree on a few technicalities, but there is alot unifying main beliefs. I'm sure that the Cathars will be pleased to know that they were wiped out over a trivial misunderstanding of interpretation, then.

Greta75 -> RE: I think Muslim Leaders need to be more like Pope Francis (6/28/2016 6:31:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Do you think Christians need to apologize for Timothy McVeigh? Or attacks on abortion doctors? Or the crap in Leviticus? Face it -- you live in your own mental construction, and nothing will change you from being willfully mental. Some people just need a bogey man to explain their problems and fears. You are one such person. If I was a Christian, I would apologize for the embarrassment of anti-abortionist murdering people at abortion clinics because despite being fundamentalist, they are disobeying the 10 commandments of thou shall not kill.

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