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Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 7:51:35 AM   
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http://benghazi.house.gov/NewInfo

About 800 pages. Site lists comments from some of the participants (Reps).

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 7:53:26 AM   
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/06/27/report_of_the_benghazi_select_committee_democratic_members-honoring_cour....pdf

Another 344 pages from the Dems

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 8:07:24 AM   
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For anyone who doesn't know about this incident here it is, explained in 9 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btlqXbH1mCM

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 8:18:00 AM   
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NY Times reports it says nothing new.

For what that's worth.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 8:28:23 AM   
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I certainly hope that no embassy staff were killed on any Republican secretary of state's watch. It's only the democrats who do hypocrisy, after all, so I'm sure nothing bad happened in an embassy under either Bush or Reagan, just under Obama.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 8:31:38 AM   
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOUSE_BENGHAZI_REPORT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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But the committee's 800-page report, released by Republican members, offered no "smoking gun" about Clinton's role. Panel chairman Trey Gowdy has said the report was not aimed at her, though Democrats have accused the committee's Republican majority of targeting her throughout.

The report from the two-year, $7 million investigation does include severe criticism of the military, CIA and administration officials for their response as the attacks unfolded the night of Sept. 11, 2012, and their subsequent explanation to the American people.



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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 8:45:23 AM   
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What amazes me is the Airborne Brigade in Vincenza, Italy should have had at least a Batallion strength unit travel ready in 2-3 hours (2 hours to achieve 80% strength and maybe another hour to load up and fly out). And Naval Air Station Sigonella should have been able to pop a couple fighters or helicopters in even less time for close air support.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 9:40:33 AM   
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Interesting look at it from todays wapo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/for-hillary-clinton-the-benghazi-damage-has-been-done/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 2:24:41 PM   
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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 3:39:34 PM   
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Said on the news that she knew* from the start* that it wasn't some guy on you tube insulting islam. (listening to it now)
Now that's a great excuse; "No, no, the little guy in you tube is supposed to be paying my mortgage for me every month!"
"Anti-islamic" "I'm not anti-Islamic, it's that guy on the you tube videos!
You have to figure that if she can lie about being under ,..."withering sniper fire" then this is no stretch for her.
When's she *ever* been truthfull?
She's sounded like that guy "Tommy Flan-A-gan on SNL for years now.
I don't think SNL has ever put her in a good light.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 3:51:36 PM   
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"Clinton On Benghazi Report: Yeah, Let's Just Move On, Folks"

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The long awaited Benghazi report is out. And Hillary Clinton says that it’s time for all of us to “move on” from this ongoing investigation that’s been one of many headaches for her campaign. Congress has been looking into exactly what happened on September 11, 2012, where Islamic terrorists attacked our compound in Benghazi, leading to the murders of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, and CIA contractors Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty. The House Select Committee on Benghazi has been combing through documents, emails, and conducting interviews over two years throughout the course of this investigation (via Politico

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“I have said from the very beginning nothing is more important than the security of our diplomats and our development officials to go into dangerous places around the world pursuing American values, interests and our security," Clinton said in Denver. "And I said this when I testified for 11 hours that no one has thought more about or lost more sleep over the lives that we lost, the four Americans, which was devastating. And we owe to those brave Americans that we make sure we learn the right lessons from this tragedy."

That’s why I immediately put together an independent committee to go everywhere, look everywhere, come up with what recommendations would help us prevent such tragedies in the future, and that of course should be the goal," she continued. "I understand that after two years and more than $7 million spent by the Benghazi Committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it had found nothing — nothing to contradict the conclusions of the Independent Accountability Board or the conclusions of the prior multiple earlier investigations carried out on a bipartisan basis in the Congress. So while this unfortunately took on a partisan tinge, I want us to stay focused on what I’ve always wanted us to stay focused on and that is the important work of diplomacy and development."

That principle, she continued, is "especially true in dangerous places."

"We cannot withdraw or retreat from the world. America needs a presence for a lot of reasons," she continued. "And the best way to honor the commitment and sacrifice of those we lost is to redouble our efforts to provide the resources and support that our diplomats and our development experts deserve. So I'll leave it to others to characterize this report but I think it is pretty clear it is time to move on."


Earlier this morning, Leah wrote that the administration pushed the narrative that a YouTube video was responsible for the attack. That was false. Al-Qaeda is suspected of executing this assault, which would’ve undercut President Obama’s claim that the terror organization was on the run during the 2012 election. Cortney and Katie wrote that then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta ordered military units to move on Benghazi, but were stalled reportedly over a debate concerning which uniforms our forces should wear.

One of the inconsistencies found post-Benghazi were the talking points from the CIA, which ABC News reported on in 2013. In that discovery, they found that the Obama White House and the State Department suggested edits removing references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia and warnings from the intelligence community about the terrorist elements in the areas prior to the attack.

Twelve different sets of talking points were hashed out and delivered by then-U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice. She’s now Obama’s national security adviser.

The report is quite clear that there was failed leadership on the night of the attack.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/06/28/clinton-on-benghazi-report-yeah-lets-just-move-on-folks-n2184928

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 3:58:44 PM   
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"Committee Report: Secretary of Defense Panetta Ordered Military Assets For Benghazi, They Never Moved"

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The much anticipated Benghazi Select Committee report released early Tuesday morning reveals former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta order military assets to be deployed to Benghazi, but they never arrived. Two unarmed drones, showing a live feed of the attack, did.

Military assets sat for hours while Americans were under attack and while President Obama's team at the White House debated getting YouTube to take down a video offensive to Muslims, which was of course used as an excuse for the attack.

"You can read this report in less time than our fellow Americans were under attack in Benghazi" Select Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy said during a press conference Tuesday.

Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed eight hours into the attack. Doherty self-deployed with a small team to Benghazi from Tripoli after hearing about the attack.

"Team Tripoli, which included military personnel based at the Tripoli Annex, acted with purpose, precision and ingenuity that night. The Secretary and the Joint Staff did not know those personnel were in Tripoli, much less were they considered as one of the potential assets to respond to the events in Benghazi," the report states. "In fact, they represent the only military 'asset' to reach Benghazi during the attacks.
They deployed themselves because fellow Americans needed them."

The question remaining is why the assets never made it. According to the report, President Obama said during the attack to "do everything possible to help our people."

"When the attacks in Benghazi began, the Defense Department was unprepared to respond. Despite there being a missing U.S. Ambassador, its response—from the start of the attack at 9:42 p.m. in Libya, to the amount of time it took for the forces to actually deploy until late the next morning in Libya at best illustrates a rusty bureaucratic process not in keeping with the gravity and urgency of the events happening on the ground. The decisions made earlier in the year by senior State Department officials to maintain a presence in Benghazi without adequate security forces and an inadequately fortified Mission compound contributed to what amounted to a worst case scenario of circumstances that would test the military’s preparedness and ability to respond," the report states.

"Nevertheless, the Defense Department did not pass the test. Whether this failure is shouldered by it alone, or rests in part on decisions made by the State Department in Washington D.C. or with the White House who presided over a two hour meeting where half of the action items related to an anti-Muslim video wholly unconnected to the attacks, is one of the lingering questions about Benghazi."

"What is clear is the Secretary of Defense testified he was clear on both what the President ordered and what he ordered subsequent to the initial attack. Yet, no asset was ever ordered to respond to Benghazi and the decisions made and not made coupled with a lack of urgency in Washington D.C. delayed the response even, in some instances, with an Ambassador missing," the report continues.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/28/panetta-ordered-military-assets-for-benghazi-n2184771

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 4:24:48 PM   
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Said on the news that she knew* from the start* that it wasn't some guy on you tube insulting islam. (listening to it now)
Now that's a great excuse; "No, no, the little guy in you tube is supposed to be paying my mortgage for me every month!"
"Anti-islamic" "I'm not anti-Islamic, it's that guy on the you tube videos!
You have to figure that if she can lie about being under ,..."withering sniper fire" then this is no stretch for her.
When's she *ever* been truthfull?
She's sounded like that guy "Tommy Flan-A-gan on SNL for years now.
I don't think SNL has ever put her in a good light.

And thats as large as your truth is, popeye, you whose military service was waterboarding new recruits.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 4:29:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

"Committee Report: Secretary of Defense Panetta Ordered Military Assets For Benghazi, They Never Moved"

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The much anticipated Benghazi Select Committee report released early Tuesday morning reveals former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta order military assets to be deployed to Benghazi, but they never arrived. Two unarmed drones, showing a live feed of the attack, did.

Military assets sat for hours while Americans were under attack and while President Obama's team at the White House debated getting YouTube to take down a video offensive to Muslims, which was of course used as an excuse for the attack.

"You can read this report in less time than our fellow Americans were under attack in Benghazi" Select Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy said during a press conference Tuesday.

Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed eight hours into the attack. Doherty self-deployed with a small team to Benghazi from Tripoli after hearing about the attack.

"Team Tripoli, which included military personnel based at the Tripoli Annex, acted with purpose, precision and ingenuity that night. The Secretary and the Joint Staff did not know those personnel were in Tripoli, much less were they considered as one of the potential assets to respond to the events in Benghazi," the report states. "In fact, they represent the only military 'asset' to reach Benghazi during the attacks.
They deployed themselves because fellow Americans needed them."

The question remaining is why the assets never made it. According to the report, President Obama said during the attack to "do everything possible to help our people."

"When the attacks in Benghazi began, the Defense Department was unprepared to respond. Despite there being a missing U.S. Ambassador, its response—from the start of the attack at 9:42 p.m. in Libya, to the amount of time it took for the forces to actually deploy until late the next morning in Libya at best illustrates a rusty bureaucratic process not in keeping with the gravity and urgency of the events happening on the ground. The decisions made earlier in the year by senior State Department officials to maintain a presence in Benghazi without adequate security forces and an inadequately fortified Mission compound contributed to what amounted to a worst case scenario of circumstances that would test the military’s preparedness and ability to respond," the report states.

"Nevertheless, the Defense Department did not pass the test. Whether this failure is shouldered by it alone, or rests in part on decisions made by the State Department in Washington D.C. or with the White House who presided over a two hour meeting where half of the action items related to an anti-Muslim video wholly unconnected to the attacks, is one of the lingering questions about Benghazi."

"What is clear is the Secretary of Defense testified he was clear on both what the President ordered and what he ordered subsequent to the initial attack. Yet, no asset was ever ordered to respond to Benghazi and the decisions made and not made coupled with a lack of urgency in Washington D.C. delayed the response even, in some instances, with an Ambassador missing," the report continues.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/28/panetta-ordered-military-assets-for-benghazi-n2184771


Oh, no nutsuckers, townhall shiteating slobber blog and the nutsuckers who have felched way too much are now joining forces to coverup their cockgargling.

So, I know you are a fuckin coward, never served, nor did your closeted hero, Harry Gowdy, and you hate america so much you are spewing your shit all over an honorable military that has fought your nutsucker wars, spent trilions of dollars, and spent our treasue and our blood on your cockgargling, and now you are going to hep us to where WE fucked up? Finally, at long last, nutsuckers, have you no shame?

So, should we investigate the nutsucker topheavy military? lets cut that budget about 90% because there is no saftety in nutsuckers.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/28/2016 11:59:40 PM   
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It's a mystery why Trailer Part Hillary would want to blame some cartoon on you tube and not the bad guys who did the actual killing. (?)
If she was so sure that the you tube guy caused the attack on our embassy then why didn't she have him prosecuted for murder? That alone says a lot. And they said Ambassador Stevens had asked for increases in security (Marines?) numerous times in the preceding months of the attack. Hillary's answer, "NO!"
So, it seems nobody knows where this You tube guy came from, did Hillary find him, one of her staffers? And why didn't she call for the slaughter of the bad guys who attacked the embassy afterwards?
And Hillary wants to ,..."move on" again.As the late great comedian Jack Benny used to say; "Oh REE-ALLY?"

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/29/2016 12:27:44 AM   
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As much as I cannot stand the bitch, she did only one thing wrong there - not closing the embassy. Just like Iran in 1979, those people should have come home and be done with it. If THEY had any brains they would have quit and come home when they murdered Qaddafi for trying to start the African dinar which would have hurt the US petrodollar, same shit that got Saddam in trouble but even worse.

Those people CHOSE Qaddafi and the US killed him. What the fuck did you think was going to happen ? I know that USians have no fucking spine whatsoever but that is not true over the whole world. They should have been called back and the embassy closed, the building sold. now THAT was her mistake because I do believe she was in the position to do that. But people seem to think she should have turned it into a military base, and if it was like the military bases in the US that would do no good because any Muslim seems to be able to do it. As easy as a Gay bar.

They really have reluctance to actually close embassies because that looks like a separation, like we are no longer friends at all. Well unbeknonst to her and US militarty they are not our friends anymore. That guy did alot for that country if you want the truth. Like Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venezuela. THEY WANTED HIM. Don't you get it, the US imposed their will against the will of the populace of those sovereign nations.

And when they retaliate people here are surprised because they are such fucking sheep they let the government walk all over them. And I don't know why. Maybe they aqre trying to preserve what we still have of the good life. If you make over a hundred grand a year you are almost middle class now, and most will not go against the government that is destroying them. Well people in other countries see things a bit differently. People here do not seem to understand that.

There were two choices, defend the place with a shitload of military personnel and look like a fortress, or close it.

It should have been closed. As soon as Qaddafi w3as dead they all should have come home and find some other job. Period.

Just how much do you think people are going to take before getting pissed off ?

So, the two options of the right thing to do did not look good and she did not want to do it.

Now the email shit, she should be in jail and Edward Snowden should have her job. As a matter of fact I caught a rumor that they have a bunch of those emails. And that doesn't surprise me. Don't you realize that emails are sent to other people and when they are they are saved on other servers ? If Hillary Clinton sent you an email from her private server, it went to the server where you get your email. This is all a bunc of bullshit, they could retrieve all of them in notime.

But they do not want to. And advisors told her not to beef up security in Bengazi and not to close the embassy. Just who the fuck are those advisors ?

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/29/2016 12:59:22 AM   
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Has this investigation and report told us anything new? It appears not. It would appear that the findings add little or nothing to what was already publicly known.

IOW this investigation was a waste of time and money. Just like all the other investigations into Hilary, which have cost a cool $100,000,000 to date.

I was under the impression that the GOP was concerned about the US's budget deficit. Obviously I was wrong. If the GOP can waste money on this extravagant scale in failed pursuits of their political opponents, then clearly they have little or no interest in reducing Govt spending or waste.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/29/2016 2:31:55 AM   
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She knows how to hide shit and get away with it. So do I. So do alot of politicians. I know all about how to do that. Leave no evidence. Hell my Grandmother was telling me that when I was a little kid. That was in reference to me having a midnight snack and not leaving a mess but the notion sticks. I have been involved in alot of shit but never caught, know why ? Because I know how not to leave any evidence.

And if I was at that embassy and asked for more security and got turned down I would simply get on a plane and go home. In fact even in 1979 Iran they were TOLD to go home but did not. I remember, I was 19 when that shit went down and was fully cognisent of the situation. It was on the news before the Iranians stormed the embassy, but soon forgotten like every other thing.

You know, you can ask for direct evidence all you want, but not having it does not mean the assertion is not true. For example "Every time this motherfucker comes to the house something turns up missing", and that happens a hundred times. Circumstantial but pretty convincing. Not enough to shoot him but way more than enough to not let him in the house anymore. Simple common sense, and then when he doesn't come in the house anymore and things don't turn up missing, what kind of conclusion can't you draw from that ? And I am not talking about the whitehouse china here but I might as well. As well as all the "W" keys off the keyboards. Stupid fucking shit. Well rich people can afford to be stupid. And she come from a poor family my ass, like the Rothschilds were textile merchants. Bunch of bullshit.

I don't really like Trump, but I don't really like Clinton alot more. And I think enough people agree that Trump is going to be President. I do not trust him, he might be a fair to midling businessman but not great. I doubt he will really fix anything but he probably won't break more than Clinton.

Again, we will not be voting FOR anyone, we will be voting AGAINST the other.

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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/29/2016 3:27:02 AM   
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Has this investigation and report told us anything new? It appears not. It would appear that the findings add little or nothing to what was already publicly known.
IOW this investigation was a waste of time and money. Just like all the other investigations into Hilary, which have cost a cool $100,000,000 to date.
I was under the impression that the GOP was concerned about the US's budget deficit. Obviously I was wrong. If the GOP can waste money on this extravagant scale in failed pursuits of their political opponents, then clearly they have little or no interest in reducing Govt spending or waste.


$439B. That's the 2015 deficit for the US. Follow along with me here.

If the GOP believes that Hillary will make the deficit and debt worse by being elected President, wouldn't it be fiscally responsible for the GOP to prevent her from being elected? $100M to date ends up being 0.023% of the 2015 budget deficit. If the GOP is correct in its thinking (and I'm sure it believes it is), a wee sliver of the current deficit spent to reduce (or slow the growth of) future deficits isn't necessarily a bad investment.

I fully believe Hillary intentionally lied to help the Obama Administration's narrative about terrorism being on the decline. Hindsight being 20/20, it's easy to blame her for not beefing up security at the embassy, or not closing the embassy completely, but unless she chose to not do those things while having more reason to do so than to not do so, I can't blame her for those things.

Thus, I think Hillary is "guilty" of lying, in regards to her actions in the Benghazi situation. And, that's about it.

As much as the GOP wants to crow that they are just trying to find out what happened, what went wrong, etc., there has been little of this investigation that wasn't partisan smear tactics. That is most disappointing.


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RE: Benghazi Report - 6/29/2016 4:00:07 AM   
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If the GOP believes that Hillary will make the deficit and debt worse by being elected President, wouldn't it be fiscally responsible for the GOP to prevent her from being elected?
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As much as the GOP wants to crow that they are just trying to find out what happened, what went wrong, etc., there has been little of this investigation that wasn't partisan smear tactics. That is most disappointing.


Yes It certainly is "most disappointing" isn't it?

If the GOP wanted to act in a "fiscally responsible" manner, they wouldn't have used taxpayer funds to finance their activities, activities which you seem to agree were blatantly partisan political. Those stalwarts of free enterprise and small Government could and should have funded their party political activities privately, not through the public purse and taxpayer $. Instead they chose to make the US taxpayer foot the bill as they pursued what you describe as "partisan smear tactics".

This is not the behaviour of "fiscally responsible" people. Quite the opposite in fact. Any sense of fiscal responsibility they may possess stops as soon as perceived partisan advantage starts.

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