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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:13:15 AM   
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...and we shouldn't be trying to give them one.
So you're saying we should be encouraging everyone else to play the victim, should we?

I can't wait till the current crop of over-privileged little whiners get out in the real world. They're going to be eaten alive.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:13:47 AM   
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I don't know the OP, but I wouldn't guess from his post that he is seeking victim status for himself.

Look at some of his other posts.

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:14:20 AM   
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Fuck off RM - you're getting tedious with this drivel.

You know, if you just ignore him he will get bored and go away.
And yet, ironically, none of you possess the self-control to do so.

Ah, fuckwits. The world needs 'em but sometimes I think we just have too many.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:16:12 AM   
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have a look at his past posts, thats the best way to figure out if you canor want to back this "white heterosexual male". POV
To me its like standing up for the donald as president because you like orange.
Your inability to address the argument, instead of the individual, is why people run rings around you.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:19:33 AM   
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have a look at his past posts, thats the best way to figure out if you canor want to back this "white heterosexual male". POV
To me its like standing up for the donald as president because you like orange.
Your inability to address the argument, instead of the individual, is why people run rings around you.


LMAO he says poking the posters not the message
Dipshit, you couldnt run rings around a teacup, let alone me. Or run rings around saturn or ring a round the rosey or inside a thousand year old oak tree
You are so funny.



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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The troubleis, he regurgitates this drivel ad-nauseum and has done for many years.
Same old same old same old with no change of tune.
He even interjects the same drivel into many other threads where it doesn't fit with the discourse.

Many of us have tried and tried over the years but he won't accept any other PoV.
That's why some of us are more than a little pissed-off with his repeat performances day in, day out.
We even tried to ignore him but he just re-invents himself with another ID and continues.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:24:05 AM   
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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:34:34 AM   
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Nobody knows, the trouble i seen, the trouble I seen.........

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:55:49 AM   
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have a look at his past posts, thats the best way to figure out if you canor want to back this "white heterosexual male". POV
To me its like standing up for the donald as president because you like orange.
Your inability to address the argument, instead of the individual, is why people run rings around you.


LMAO he says poking the posters not the message
Dipshit, you couldnt run rings around a teacup, let alone me. Or run rings around saturn or ring a round the rosey or inside a thousand year old oak tree
You are so funny.
You don't have a message you ditzy twat, that's the entire point.

Christ, it's like watching a village idiot paint with her fingers.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 10:57:04 AM   
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Nobody knows, the trouble i seen, the trouble I seen.........
Shit dude, don't mention the white man's God here, they'll skin you alive!

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 11:08:42 AM   
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have a look at his past posts, thats the best way to figure out if you canor want to back this "white heterosexual male". POV
To me its like standing up for the donald as president because you like orange.
Your inability to address the argument, instead of the individual, is why people run rings around you.


LMAO he says poking the posters not the message
Dipshit, you couldnt run rings around a teacup, let alone me. Or run rings around saturn or ring a round the rosey or inside a thousand year old oak tree
You are so funny.
You don't have a message you ditzy twat, that's the entire point.

Christ, it's like watching a village idiot paint with her fingers.


neither do you, and yes, your village knows where you are.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 11:09:28 AM   
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ThompsonX,

Thanks for replying to the OP's opening salvo with an attempt to address the merit or lack thereof of his argument.

What you see as an attempt others might view as a success.

I think it is worth it to consider whether or not the RM's assertion is true.

Why?


I think your analysis of the OP's relation to the citation is a touch too personal.

Personal problems ought be directed to the chaplain and not me.


I don't know the OP, but I wouldn't guess from his post that he is seeking victim status for himself.

I would,did and do.

It looks like he is trying to foster some discussion as to whether this is the case,

From where I sit he looks to be a drama mama with discussion not remotely attached to his agenda.


why is the is the case,

It is not.



whether it is a good or a bad thing, etc.




It seems to me that there is some asymmetry in the way this concern is treated, and that asymmetry is demonstrated in this forum.

Opinions vary

Can you imagine if Staleek's and Sloguy's boring insults and insinuations, Dizzy's condescending dismissal, HoneyBears' mind-reading and WM's little photo-barb (none of which I can express any sort of value judgement upon) were directed at someone who was believed to be anything other than a straight, white male?


That is the point isn't it?

Can you predict the indignation, righteous or otherwise that would follow?

What is your point?


It seems to me that the decrease in social capital one tends to experience for being belligerent is lessened, regardless of the merits of the argument, when the belligerence is directed at a straight, white male.

Why would you think such an absurd thought?

The OP contends, as a proxy to the argument in the Irish Times, that heterosexual caucasian males are in the unique position of possessing no victim card in the victimhood-obsessed culture that seems especially prevalent in the education systems in western Europe, north America, Oz and NZ.


Those with a victim card are victims. Those without a victim card are not victims. How is it that this simple truth evades you?


He adds in his opening post that this phenomenon manifests itself egregiously in that freedom of expression, which some people regard as a basic right,

Realy???which people regard freedom of expression as a basic right? Do they regard it as a basic right for themselves or for everyone?



is not evenly enjoyed by members of a society because the victim card may be redeemed to arbitrarily end a discussion.

The use of the victim card is hardly arbitrary.

I think his argument boils down to some animals are more equal than others.


His arguement has yet to be expressed.

Do you agree or disagree?

I agree that there those with a victim card and there are those without a victim card.

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 11:13:37 AM   
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Ah, fuckwits. The world needs 'em but sometimes I think we just have too many.

Until you opt out we are not interested in your opinion

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 11:36:42 AM   
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I can't wait till the current crop of over-privileged little whiners get out in the real world. They're going to be eaten alive.

Every generation there is always some old fool who says that.

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 12:43:14 PM   
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Ah, fuckwits. The world needs 'em but sometimes I think we just have too many.

Until you opt out we are not interested in your opinion
Who's this "we" fuckknuckle? You and the voices in your fucking head. Take your goddamn meds you schizophrenic hick.


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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 1:41:22 PM   
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...and we shouldn't be trying to give them one.
So you're saying we should be encouraging everyone else to play the victim, should we?

No. What I'm saying is that the last thing this society needs is more "victims".

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 2:19:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think now is as good a time as any to add up the score...as a 'victim' of being a WAS. (I left off the P as I am not a protestant, or catholic, or...or...or) So yes, I have been victimized alright.

Women of color, ALL colors have at times veritably fucking raped me or at least...stripped off their formal or informal dress of politeness (clothes) in their apts. 5 min (or less) into a 1st date. What did they think I was ? A piece of meat I guess even though I showed zero resistance ? (and all without tenderizer)

Women of color have black, Asian and Hispanic, so taken for granted my undying desire to get into their pants, they just stopped wearing them. I mean, could anything be more insulting ? (YES)

Men of color have so used me and I mean really...giving me their money, their beer, their drugs (way back in the day) and their friendship. It got so I really just couldn't take it anymore, but still did.

YEEEP, I've really been victimized alright and wouldn't have changed a thing. So now...I make a joke. I am still all white, completely straight but alas...not very young anymore.

I let people either be the victim or be the victimizer and deal with it, or...make a joke.

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 7:19:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the knee-jerk reaction to the term white privilege, but the same phenomena occurs globally, with the ethnic or religious group in power having the privilege.

Every trait that makes a person different than the majority adds another layer of complication in their daily lives, compared to the natural comforts the majority can easily take for granted.

And this isn't necessarily about economic privilege, although it often can lead to the minority population being underprivileged financially as well. And often there are extra costs associated with gaining equal access.

And I'm not sure why people that live out alternative lifestyles themselves, by choice, can't understand all of this. How much more expensive is it to enjoy any given fetish than to be vanilla? How much further do people have to go to meet people that share their fetish? Yet, how many people still refuse to accept certain things as a real kink, when it's obviously part of the community?

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 7:30:42 PM   
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Interesting read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-boeskool/when-youre-accustomed-to-privilege_b_9460662.html

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RE: 'If you're a young, white straight man today you're... - 6/29/2016 7:45:29 PM   
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Did anyone else see that today was Heterosexual Pride Day on Facebook? Fine by me, actually. Any excuse to celebrate.

A number of people posted this thought-provoking map. In yellow countries, straight folk can be discriminated against (fired, denied housing, not allowed to adopt, etc.) on the basis of their sexual orientation. In red ones, they can also be imprisoned or even executed.



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