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ORIGINAL: Greta75
PS: I actually don't understand this concealed and expose law. If people want to prevent bad guys from using their guns. All the good guys should walk around with guns exposed. In a gun filled country, how does not exposing gun keep you safe? If I'm already in a gun filled country I'd want all the bad guys to know that all the good guys are well armed, if they try anything!

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Must I put my foot down. I will. And I will do so equally, on the ones bating the Americans - after I am finished with them.
I have said it so many times and in so many ways I truly grow weary

Guns kill..end of all other narratives..and for the record they kill in all countries guns, yet at ridiculous, nae absurd, rate in America whatever it calls itself

I have not told a true story for a wee bit
today, illness is cruoius, yet it does not necessary mean I actually sleep, or sleep well

So this afternoons nap I heard cat, the smallest from my three, dainty lady Ms karma, growl under my bed as I tried to slumber 3-5pm on 4 seprate occasion with 4 different sparrows - i rescued three from the four...and yet that one broke my hart...contrary to belief, I actually have an heart...it is also worth noting that I rescue one in twenty from Ms Kali..and Mr Kasper catch rate since his handsome existence of two years is nul

whatever you are, to me just another mad rambler declaring the higher moral ground whilst offering nothing at all...your numbers i am sick of battling throughout all of time cosmos....

Now Americans you slaughter your own people at a rate unprecedented i the modern world.

Why?

that is how it is done Cinnamongirl67

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I have a serious question here. If that woman had shot and wounded or killed those five (unarmed) men, would she have been charged with anything ? Or would she just get a 'Get out of jail free' card ? If so, why and on what grounds ? I promise I am not being a smartass. I am genuinely interested because those five really didn't seem to be any kind of threat to her or her family or her property.
Out of interest, I really don't give a damn about the gun/no gun debate in America. That is for Americans to discuss and find their own solutions and really nothing to do with the rest of the world, no matter how WE live. Good luck to them, whatever they decide

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

Lol.
You do know a blind man could see the intentions of non stop insults to Americans.
Jealous much? Or maybe it's ignorance.
You don't hear about the every day routine stuff, you hear about the tragedies.
My step dad is a hunter and owns an arsenal of guns. So do both my step brothers. So do half their sons. All hunters. All legal. Although they could, they don't carry a gun on themselves. Maybe in their vehicle but not strapped on routinely. One works for a federal penitentiary so trust me he has been tested psychologically.
Good news they have neither threatens nor killed anyone and they are between 50-85 years of age with this privilege from the age of being legal.
You never have to concern yourself with them unless one decides to steal, pull a gun on innocents, or themselves having their life threatened. A problem might be created then, but who created their destiny?
As far as people carrying a gun on their person, depends on the nature of their job or the environment they are entering.
There was a thread about people with guns while just having lunch. You really don't see people running around with guns exposed, at least where I come from. If they have one its concealed, unless it's a profession you won't see that. If someone is going to lunch showing a weapon it's very likely they will be questioned or reported anonymously.

No, just a country who will protect LGBT people from being mass murdered! You guys let the mass murderer go because your laws of freedom, allow him to walk free and do this crime. FBI was helpless as the law worked against them, to detain this guy. Despite him being flagged in their list as potential terrorist.

We arrested and thrown in jail, our own version of potential Orlando killer, as I have posted in the Orlando thread. We do alot of things to prevent bad things from happening. But to ensure everybody's safety, some kind of understanding that certain freedoms will be curtailed is expected for the safety of majority. We believe some the way we do things have saved many lives.

But it's two different cultural beliefs. Individual freedom at the expense of others, is American. Giving up some reasonable freedom, so that everyone can be safe, is our culture. How is it reasonable? Does giving up this freedom prevent you from achieving your hopes and dreams? Doing what you love in life? If it does not, then it's reasonable.

Not having guns in our country does not stop us from pursuing our hope and dreams. Unless that dream is owning a gun and that's all they want in life, then they can move to a gun legal country to achieve that.

PS: I actually don't understand this concealed and expose law. If people want to prevent bad guys from using their guns. All the good guys should walk around with guns exposed. In a gun filled country, how does not exposing gun keep you safe? If I'm already in a gun filled country I'd want all the bad guys to know that all the good guys are well armed, if they try anything!

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!

I believe your source to be wrong, if he had engaged three cops outside of Pulse it wouldn't have taken two weeks to come out.
My point is you are wrong, and using bad sources.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!

I believe your source to be wrong, if he had engaged three cops outside of Pulse it wouldn't have taken two weeks to come out.
My point is you are wrong, and using bad sources.

I saw one where he traded shots with an officer right outside Pulse, but got in anyway. Then, two other officers engaged him and he went further into the club.

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ORIGINAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting
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On June 11, 2016, Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, was hosting Latin Night, a weekly Saturday night event drawing a primarily Hispanic crowd.[1][2] About 320 people were inside the club, which was serving last call drinks at around 2:00 a.m. EDT on June 12.[3][4] After arriving at the club by van,[5] Omar Mateen approached the building on foot, armed with a SIG Sauer MCX[6] semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol.[3][7][8][9][10][11] A uniformed Orlando Police Department (OPD) officer working extra duty[12] engaged Mateen at 2:02 a.m.[13][14] Mateen was able to enter the building, however, and began shooting patrons.[3][4][14] Two additional officers also engaged Mateen, who then retreated farther into the nightclub and began to take patrons hostage.[3][7][15] About 100 officers from the OPD and the Orange County Sheriff's Office were first dispatched to the scene.[15]
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ORIGINAL: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446
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Mina said a uniformed officer working extra duty initially traded gunfire with the shooter, who officials say was armed with at least two firearms.

"The officer engaged in a gun battle with that suspect. The suspect at some point went back inside the club, and more shots were fired. This did turn into a hostage situation," Mina said.
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ORIGINAL: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160612-snap-story.html
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At the entrance, an armed security guard confronted Mateen at 2:02 a.m. Shots were fired, but whatever happened did not stop Mateen. He stormed into the club just as last call was announced over the microphone.
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ORIGINAL: http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482322488/orlando-shooting-what-happened-update
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At 2:02 a.m., according to an FBI timeline, Orlando police received reports that multiple shots had been fired at Pulse. An off-duty officer was working there and "engaged in a gun battle" with the shooter, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina. "The suspect, at some point, went back inside the club, where more shots were fired," Mina said. Additional officers had arrived at 2:04 a.m. and entered Pulse four minutes later, exchanging fire with the attacker.
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!

I believe your source to be wrong, if he had engaged three cops outside of Pulse it wouldn't have taken two weeks to come out.
My point is you are wrong, and using bad sources.

I saw one where he traded shots with an officer right outside Pulse, but got in anyway. Then, two other officers engaged him and he went further into the club.

Granted it's Wikipedia, but they have supporting sources:

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ORIGINAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting
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On June 11, 2016, Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, was hosting Latin Night, a weekly Saturday night event drawing a primarily Hispanic crowd.[1][2] About 320 people were inside the club, which was serving last call drinks at around 2:00 a.m. EDT on June 12.[3][4] After arriving at the club by van,[5] Omar Mateen approached the building on foot, armed with a SIG Sauer MCX[6] semi-automatic rifle and a 9mm Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol.[3][7][8][9][10][11] A uniformed Orlando Police Department (OPD) officer working extra duty[12] engaged Mateen at 2:02 a.m.[13][14] Mateen was able to enter the building, however, and began shooting patrons.[3][4][14] Two additional officers also engaged Mateen, who then retreated farther into the nightclub and began to take patrons hostage.[3][7][15] About 100 officers from the OPD and the Orange County Sheriff's Office were first dispatched to the scene.[15]
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Reference 13:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446
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Mina said a uniformed officer working extra duty initially traded gunfire with the shooter, who officials say was armed with at least two firearms.

"The officer engaged in a gun battle with that suspect. The suspect at some point went back inside the club, and more shots were fired. This did turn into a hostage situation," Mina said.
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Reference 14:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-20160612-snap-story.html
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At the entrance, an armed security guard confronted Mateen at 2:02 a.m. Shots were fired, but whatever happened did not stop Mateen. He stormed into the club just as last call was announced over the microphone.
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There's also the NPR account:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482322488/orlando-shooting-what-happened-update
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At 2:02 a.m., according to an FBI timeline, Orlando police received reports that multiple shots had been fired at Pulse. An off-duty officer was working there and "engaged in a gun battle" with the shooter, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina. "The suspect, at some point, went back inside the club, where more shots were fired," Mina said. Additional officers had arrived at 2:04 a.m. and entered Pulse four minutes later, exchanging fire with the attacker.
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This cites the FBI timeline @ https://www.fbi.gov/tampa/press-releases/2016/investigative-update-regarding-pulse-nightclub-shooting

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And in SC one guy had a gun and kept anyone from being killed.

So my point is, in one incident, 3 good gun owners didn't prevent the massacre.
SC got lucky with a good shooter. But not many gun owners are gonna be great shooters. So it doesn't guarantee safer either!