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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/5/2016 11:41:14 PM

Kirata

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You are referring to your beliefs as "facts".

Religion is faith in the unbelievable....

Case in point.

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 3:08:34 AM

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Religion is faith in the unbelievable, unproven.

Absolutely true.

The problem is that you are trying to assert there is such a thing as morality. That there is an objective way that people ought to behave, a way people ought to think, and you are not providing one single shred of proof or even evidence to explain why.

Indeed the assertions you are making to establish a moral code are full of holes and are self-contradictory - faith in the unproven, exactly like religion.

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Killing rather than be killed is self preservation and you know it. It's called self defense. It's not the same or is it either immoral as is killing in order not to die by starvation...and you know it.

No. It is logically identical. Killing in order to prevent someone killing you, and killing to avoid dying by drowning, are IDENTICAL.

You take a life in order to preserve your own. End of story. If you are going to claim they are different you need to be able to explain why.

The statement "you know it" is an appeal to emotion, and has no bearing on the reason.

The point is not that you or any atheist on earth is immoral. It is that atheists claiming that religion is morally wrong are trying to deny their metaphysical cake while trying to eat it.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/05/12/science-right-and-wrong/

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 4:27:42 AM

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Religion is faith in the unbelievable, unproven.

Absolutely true.

Well that one threw me. You're agreeing with opinion masquerading as fact? Unproven I'll grant, but the only proofs in science are mathematical.

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 5:59:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
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Religion is faith in the unbelievable, unproven.

Absolutely true.

Well that one threw me. You're agreeing with opinion masquerading as fact? Unproven I'll grant, but the only proofs in science are mathematical.

K.

Not true.

There are logical truths (all men can die, Kirata is a man, Kirata can die). Socially constructed truths (paper bearing 100 dollars is worth more than paper bearing 10 dollars). Mathematical truths (2+2=4). And historical truths (Darwin was mortal).

And that's just a few off the top of my head.

Now try to construct a moral truth, or a religious truth, and I'll demonstrate why it's wrong. Religion is fine - organized religion or proselytization? Not so much.

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 6:46:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Staleek
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Religion is faith in the unbelievable, unproven.

Absolutely true.

Well that one threw me. You're agreeing with opinion masquerading as fact? Unproven I'll grant, but the only proofs in science are mathematical.

Not true.

There are logical truths (all men can die, Kirata is a man, Kirata can die). Socially constructed truths (paper bearing 100 dollars is worth more than paper bearing 10 dollars). Mathematical truths (2+2=4). And historical truths (Darwin was mortal).

And that's just a few off the top of my head.

To say that religion is faith in the unbelievable is purely an opinion about what is believable.

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 7:45:33 AM

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I see you're as clueless about Buddhism as you are Islam and Christianity.

Not that this is surprising.

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RE: Violent Myammar Buddhist Persecuting Muslims - 7/6/2016 7:56:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Staleek
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Religion is faith in the unbelievable, unproven.

Absolutely true.

Well that one threw me. You're agreeing with opinion masquerading as fact? Unproven I'll grant, but the only proofs in science are mathematical.

Not true.

There are logical truths (all men can die, Kirata is a man, Kirata can die). Socially constructed truths (paper bearing 100 dollars is worth more than paper bearing 10 dollars). Mathematical truths (2+2=4). And historical truths (Darwin was mortal).

And that's just a few off the top of my head.

To say that religion is faith in the unbelievable is purely an opinion about what is believable.

K.

Yeah that's true. I did shave off the "unbelievable" part from the response to Mr Rodgers though.

Believable is whatever someone believes. Confusing beliefs with facts is what I was taking issue with.

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