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Wayward5oul -> Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 10:25:54 AM)
Given the choice between Clinton and Trump, they choose to actively campaign for Clinton. They feel that Trump is dangerous, unpredictable, is no more a representative of the values of the Republican party than Clinton, and that the party will continue to fracture under Trump's leadership. some Republicans have begrudgingly agreed to support him while others are simply opting out of the election. But for these women who founded the group, (and one man who has joined in solidarity), Trump's bombastic style, offensive rhetoric toward women and minorities, slapdash policy "suggestions" risk destroying the party. They say that choosing to campaign for Clinton is contrary to everything they have worked for in their professional lives, but that she is at least a reasonable person that the party could work with as President, and that the cons of voting for Clinton are far outweighed by the cons of voting for Trump. As for policy, there are only a few areas where the group's leaders said they could agree with Clinton, which mostly involves foreign policy and trade. More importantly, however, they see her as a reasonable person—especially compared with the unpredictable Trump—and someone Republicans could possibly work with. "We can put our differences aside to have a safer option that's better for the country as a whole," Milloy said. "The fear of Donald Trump is, to me, more than the fear of Hillary raising capital standards on banks." Basically, they are voting against Trump rather than for Clinton, in a time when many are tired of voting "against" someone rather than "for". But their rational for doing so is based on an effort to protect what they believe in. "Our group isn't about selling Clinton. It's about using your vote to keep Trump out of office," Lim said. "We're not going to be in the business of convincing people that Hillary Clinton will be the savior of all of our policy issues. We're trying to convince people that your vote has a political and moral purpose, and it's important to use that." "This was a long road for me to get here," she added. I'm impressed. (bolding added by me) http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/republican-women-organize-to-support-clinton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_us+%28RSS%3A+CNNi+-+U.S.%29

Musicmystery -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 10:36:21 AM)
. . . and Hilary's platform is textbook GOP. There is no Democrat in this election. It's GOP Clinton vs. Xenophobia Trump. That's why people are voting Sanders, Stein, and Johnson.

WhoreMods -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 11:06:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . and Hilary's platform is textbook GOP. So was the current "Democrat" President's, and the GOP faithful have spent seven years calling him a Marxist. I don't get the impression that Clinton's beliefs (or lack thereof) are any more important to the True Believers than Obama's. Democrat = evil, however much the Democrat in question talks, votes and acts like a Republican. I suppose when you have a two party system involving two largely identical parties, their allegiance becomes much more important than anything a politician actually does or claims to stand for...

dcnovice -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 11:37:09 AM)
quote: two largely identical parties That's a popular meme, I know. But have you considered . . . -- Abortion rights -- Supreme Court nominations -- Climate change -- LGBT issues -- Environmental concerns -- Affordable Care Act -- Maintaining vs. privatizing Social Security -- Workers' rights -- Evolution vs. creationism

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:01:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: two largely identical parties That's a popular meme, I know. But have you considered . . . -- Abortion rights -- Supreme Court nominations -- Climate change -- LGBT issues -- Environmental concerns -- Affordable Care Act -- Maintaining vs. privatizing Social Security -- ~~Workers'~~ Union rights -- Evolution vs. creationism Fixed it for you.

dcnovice -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:06:25 PM)
Historically, have workers had a more effective tool than unions in battling for their rights?

Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:06:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: two largely identical parties That's a popular meme, I know. But have you considered . . . -- Abortion rights -- Supreme Court nominations -- Climate change -- LGBT issues -- Environmental concerns -- Affordable Care Act -- Maintaining vs. privatizing Social Security -- ~~Workers'~~ Union rights -- Evolution vs. creationism Fixed it for you. not quite. IF you add the minimum wage, snot just unions wanting that. Wanting a living wage are mostly workers who are living beneath a living wage. Of course, unions ARE another difference between the two parties PS thanks DC:) sad list on the divide.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:07:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Given the choice between Clinton and Trump, they choose to actively campaign for Clinton. They feel that Trump is dangerous, unpredictable, is no more a representative of the values of the Republican party than Clinton, and that the party will continue to fracture under Trump's leadership. some Republicans have begrudgingly agreed to support him while others are simply opting out of the election. But for these women who founded the group, (and one man who has joined in solidarity), Trump's bombastic style, offensive rhetoric toward women and minorities, slapdash policy "suggestions" risk destroying the party. They say that choosing to campaign for Clinton is contrary to everything they have worked for in their professional lives, but that she is at least a reasonable person that the party could work with as President, and that the cons of voting for Clinton are far outweighed by the cons of voting for Trump. As for policy, there are only a few areas where the group's leaders said they could agree with Clinton, which mostly involves foreign policy and trade. More importantly, however, they see her as a reasonable person—especially compared with the unpredictable Trump—and someone Republicans could possibly work with. "We can put our differences aside to have a safer option that's better for the country as a whole," Milloy said. "The fear of Donald Trump is, to me, more than the fear of Hillary raising capital standards on banks." Basically, they are voting against Trump rather than for Clinton, in a time when many are tired of voting "against" someone rather than "for". But their rational for doing so is based on an effort to protect what they believe in. "Our group isn't about selling Clinton. It's about using your vote to keep Trump out of office," Lim said. "We're not going to be in the business of convincing people that Hillary Clinton will be the savior of all of our policy issues. We're trying to convince people that your vote has a political and moral purpose, and it's important to use that." "This was a long road for me to get here," she added. I'm impressed. (bolding added by me) http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/republican-women-organize-to-support-clinton/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_us+%28RSS%3A+CNNi+-+U.S.%29 If Hillary represents their beliefs more than any other Presidential candidate, then, they should vote for Hillary.

thompsonx -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:14:11 PM)
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri ORIGINAL: dcnovice two largely identical parties That's a popular meme, I know. But have you considered . . . -- Abortion rights -- Supreme Court nominations -- Climate change -- LGBT issues -- Environmental concerns -- Affordable Care Act -- Maintaining vs. privatizing Social Security -- ~~Workers'~~ Union rights -- Evolution vs. creationism Fixed it for you. All you have done is show your ignorance.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:22:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Historically, have workers had a more effective tool than unions in battling for their rights? Historically? No. But, we aren't talking about the horrible working conditions that Unions fought to get out of. Most of the stuff Unions fought to get for the American worker has now been codified and watched over by OSHA. There are Unions that don't suck, and Unions that do suck. Where I work, the maintenance workers and operators are Unionized. When they voted for Unionization, they voted to organize under the Retail, Wholesale, & Department Store Union, which is part of The United Food and Commercial Workers Union. While there isn't anything explicitly wrong about that, I work for a Tier 1 automotive parts supplier. The United Auto Workers decided there weren't enough people to represent at that time It's not about the workers. It's about the money. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic not quite. IF you add the minimum wage, snot just unions wanting that. Wanting a living wage are mostly workers who are living beneath a living wage. Of course, unions ARE another difference between the two parties PS thanks DC:) sad list on the divide. The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. That's it. Higher wages also tends to mean higher dues, and Unions are very much about increasing dues. Joining those looking for a higher minimum wage is also a way to try to gain new members for those almighty dues.

dcnovice -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:31:42 PM)
quote: Historically? No. But, we aren't talking about the horrible working conditions that Unions fought to get out of. Most of the stuff Unions fought to get for the American worker has now been codified and watched over by OSHA. I'm not sure that means the battle's been won for all time, though. In other areas, we've seen efforts to roll back regulation (environment) and to enact regulation slicing away at legal rights (abortion).

xBullx -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:32:47 PM)
There are Republican Women?

dcnovice -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:33:49 PM)
quote: The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. That's it. Businesses seek to get the highest possible profits for their goods and services. Is it wrong for workers to do likewise?

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:41:10 PM)
A mad old hag, and Hilary is no better. You can never choose from nothing. Sadly you can always choose the devil that you do know; as the middle bit on some map and the western world have found out recently. I liked when she wriggled, like a mad old whore, regarding same sex marriages, as she suddenly had a change of heart after all that time.

Musicmystery -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . and Hilary's platform is textbook GOP. So was the current "Democrat" President's Not that it matters now, but no, it wasn't.

bounty44 -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 12:55:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. That's it. Businesses seek to get the highest possible profits for their goods and services. Is it wrong for workers to do likewise? no, so long as they don't price the whole kit n caboodle out of business (including themselves) and whats more, not claiming some mythical "right to work" such that they cannot be replaced by people willing to do the job for less. and in that is another one of the value differences between the collectivists and the individualists.

ifmaz -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 1:23:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Given the choice between Clinton and Trump, they choose to actively campaign for Clinton. ... If only there was some other party to vote for so people wouldn't have to decide between the lesser of two evils.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 1:42:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Given the choice between Clinton and Trump, they choose to actively campaign for Clinton. ... If only there was some other party to vote for so people wouldn't have to decide between the lesser of two evils. They don't seen like stupid women. I'm fairly confident that they considered third party alternatives before they chose to support someone who represents things they have openly opposed. For reasons of their own they chose not to go that route. Seems like they are trying to make thoughtful, informed choices that they can stand behind. Unlike a lot of Republicans who are openly struggling with their disdain for Trump but either a) support him anyway because party or b) refuse to take a stand period because party.

thompsonx -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 2:04:54 PM)
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri ORIGINAL: dcnovice Historically, have workers had a more effective tool than unions in battling for their rights? Historically? No. If not the unions what was the more effective tool? But, we aren't talking about the horrible working conditions that Unions fought to get out of. Most of the stuff Unions fought to get for the American worker has now been codified and watched over by OSHA. You are full of shit as usual. Consider the constant call from folks like you...(libertarin)to do away with osha. So if osha is gone then what stops management from going back to the "horrible working conditions"? There are Unions that don't suck, and Unions that do suck. I have never seen you point out a union that did not suck???wanna try now? Where I work, the maintenance workers and operators are Unionized. When they voted for Unionization, they voted to organize under the Retail, Wholesale, & Department Store Union, which is part of The United Food and Commercial Workers Union. While there isn't anything explicitly wrong about that, I work for a Tier 1 automotive parts supplier. The United Auto Workers decided there weren't enough people to represent at that time It's not about the workers. It's about the money. Just how do you get there from where you started? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic not quite. IF you add the minimum wage, snot just unions wanting that. Wanting a living wage are mostly workers who are living beneath a living wage. Of course, unions ARE another difference between the two parties PS thanks DC:) sad list on the divide. The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. Then you should be able to show us the corolation. If you can't that would indicate that once again you have been caught talking out of your ass. That's it. Higher wages also tends to mean higher dues, and Unions are very much about increasing dues. Please show us which union bylaws state that one of the purposes of the union is to increase dues. If you can't then once more we have you talking out of your ass. Joining those looking for a higher minimum wage is also a way to try to gain new members for those almighty dues. You really have no clue what a union is all about, do you?

MrRodgers -> RE: Republican Women for Hillary (7/3/2016 2:36:26 PM)
Without the power of the collectivism that is the basis of ANY union power...then [they] are mere conversation. OH, and these women are making a decision based on much more then party affiliation. It is the very idea of Trump's unpredictability that has most of them and most people that are...in opposition to him. Rhetoric is that that...rhetoric.

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