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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: tj444
yup.. more Americans losing their job to robots/drones soon.. Just sayin'

And more jobs for designing, building, and programming drones being created. Just sayin'

not at the same pace as those jobs being lost.. no where near..

Pretty firm grasp of the obvious there.

Why the crockadile tears for loosers? You have always pimped the libertarien line of produce or die...so why are you now sooooo concerned with the incompetant workers that you have told us many times need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps etc.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: tj444
yup.. more Americans losing their job to robots/drones soon.. Just sayin'

And more jobs for designing, building, and programming drones being created. Just sayin'

not at the same pace as those jobs being lost.. no where near..

There is no requirement (thankfully) that a business that automates has to create as many jobs as the automation replaces.

And, with a minimum wage (especially as it gets increased), you are going to be less likely to create as many jobs as you replace with automation. Automation tends to create a more reliable process with less waste.

I was in a discussion with a guy who had been hired to be a production supervisor where I work. He was only there for a couple weeks, as he was offered the same position, with better hours and better pay (but with a worse commute). Many of the operators on the production floor are poor workers, as in, they do a crappy job. His comment was that you can attract better workers if you paid a higher wage. While that may be true, what happens to the crappy workers? If we attract better workers with a higher wage, we'll likely do so by replacing crappy workers. What happens to them? If they can't do a technically simple job that only isn't very physically demanding, what the fuck are these people going to do?

Operators are covered by a Union, and start out at $13/hr.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
...and imo RottenJohnny is gonna lose his job too as robots learn to think and do the maintenance and repairs he does on them... robots are making robots now, if they can make em, they can learn to fix em too.. and put him outta his job.. imo, its not gonna be pretty..

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
You're missing the point, which is that your company is either unwilling or unable to meet the market price for labor that will reliably do the job right. With what other of cost of manufacturing does your company arbitrarily decide and dictate to vendors "this is all we're going to pay" and hope for the best?
The fact that your company couldn't even keep the production supervisor more than two weeks seems to be an indicator of a company who is out of their depth. Inability to meet market value for workers at several levels is usually a sign of marginal business acumen, which is fairly pervasive in the US.
If your your company's business plan relies upon lower wages, then it should do something that their managers are more suited for, such as making balloons or gum wrappers.

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Arent you one of the ones that bitch about American jobs going offshore??? what difference does it make if jobs go offshore or if they go to robots?
I posted an article a while back that said by (iirc) 2020 45% of the manufacturing jobs in the world will be gone and robots will be doing them.. thats a fuck of a lot of unemployed people.. and in only a very short period of time.. and i bet it wont be long before the reset of those manufacturing jobs are lost too.. cuz businesses will be forced to buy robots just to meet competitors everyday low prices.. add to that those truck and other drivers that are gonna be outta work when driverless cars/trucks take over.. drones are gonna replace delivery drivers, pizza drivers, etc.. and imo RottenJohnny is gonna lose his job too as robots learn to think and do the maintenance and repairs he does on them... robots are making robots now, if they can make em, they can learn to fix em too.. and put him outta his job.. imo, its not gonna be pretty..

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ORIGINAL: Lookin4Lace
Wow really are we really going to crucify this kid for life just for having fun?
There are plenty more dangerous things out there then just this

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Would I be correct in guessing you oppose Google for it's driverless car, as that will likely end up being used to replace delivery drivers (including long haul)?

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"My guess is that it's still gonna be a long, long time before they allow trucks carrying 30,000 lbs. of cargo to run around the US without a driver behind the wheel simply because of the safety issues.
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They damnear did that. My Father told me that GM was behind the destruction of the railroad system. I can of course understand why. But for a time there were not that many trucks driving 3,000 miles. Ad only a few people ran that train, and there was almost no possibility of accidents unless someone really fucked up.

Fuelwise it was more efficient and thus more "green". Peoplewise is was more efficient and therefore cheaper overall. There was much less chance of an accident. And the trucks were not on the highways with people going to work. And these heavy trucks weren't fucking up the road.

Know why it changed ?

They make more money this way. It wrecks the environment, it wrecks people's lives and it wrecks the economy, but they don't care because they make more money that way.

And they always want more because it is an addiction. Even the Rothschilds with (Credit Suisse estimate of) $230 TRILLION still seek to make money. Why ? Because it is an addiction and an addiction is an irrational and insatiable desire by definition.

So is power.

T^T

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"I'm not one of those that bitch about any jobs going anywhere. I believe business should be allowed to do things like that to get lower costs to compete in a market free to respond to supply and demand."
I am surprised to hear that from you. I believe different and I think I am a true old school conservative, but without that damn religion. Free trade is bad, fair trade is good.
When Henry Ford started paying really good money that stimulated the economy and people had disposable income. People who make the new cars now need credit to buy them, back then they paid cash. What good has this free trade done us ? None. These people are elected to represent us, not some fucking province in China. They are supposed to protect our economy and our way of life. Other countries do it, why not here ? Because they been bought off. I think every import should be taxed at about 40 %. I know what'll happen, an economic slowdown bigtime. But then it makes it more attractive to start a business here to avoid those tariffs. Are you against more good jobs ?
And the when there are plenty of jobs, we won't need a minimum wage, workers will just quit and go work somewhere else for more money. Instead of competition for jobs, there will be competition for workers.
Skilled workers, which means the schools are going to have to clean up their act. I remember the saying "Those who can't do, teach, those who can't teach teach gym". And that was in the 1960s.
Bottom line, countries that do well have a good education system, and I mean pubic so that the kids of the commoners go and really learn and then their time is valuable. Even though China doesn't really pay, they are fixing themselves. The limit on having kids is the best thing they ever did and even though they might not realize it, wages will rise because the labor pool will shrink. Maybe they do realize it and are OK with it. I have no way of knowing. But I do know the leeches in this country want lower wages so we work for fifteen cents a day and they don't have to pay shipping for the junk they sell us. I am well versed in business and believe me, that is the way it is.
It is not a conspiracy, they don't know each other and meet on Saturdays and burn a goat or any shit like that. But they all think the same way.
I am all for protectionism. We invented color TV, but can't build one now. (we did NOT invent TV though) Somehow the education system in this country kills people's brains. We put a Man on the fucking moon, what do you think the odds of us doing that again might be ? I say slim and none, and slim left town. Look at that F-35, the joke of the world. We can't even build a rocket to go up and maintain our satellites, we buy them from Russia. RUSSIA.
We need a paradigm shift in how things are done. The thing that is going to get Trump elected is that Clinton will probably start WW3. And Trump is not really all that smart. In a discussion the other day the consensus became that the smart republicans don't want to be President. I think it is because they can do math and know the economy is ready for a crash like never seen before. I mean at least double the price of everything.
Enough, didn't mean to hijack but shit happens.
T^T

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
You're missing the point, which is that your company is either unwilling or unable to meet the market price for labor that will reliably do the job right. With what other of cost of manufacturing does your company arbitrarily decide and dictate to vendors "this is all we're going to pay" and hope for the best?
The fact that your company couldn't even keep the production supervisor more than two weeks seems to be an indicator of a company who is out of their depth. Inability to meet market value for workers at several levels is usually a sign of marginal business acumen, which is fairly pervasive in the US.
If your your company's business plan relies upon lower wages, then it should do something that their managers are more suited for, such as making balloons or gum wrappers.