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jlf1961 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 9:44:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Why am I a bastard because of your weight. I do not feed you.[8\|] Your weight is not my issue stop trying to make it so. You're a piece of shit, because you want to put down women for their weight. Yes it is your issue, because you intentionally want women to feel fat despite being healthy. And the average American women is 166lbs, so it's horrible for you to be calling sooo many women fat. Assholes like you make women believe they are fat when they are not fat! 80% of the american population is overweight, of that 56% are morbidly so, what term would you use? And, 166 pounds may not be overweight for someone 5'8" or taller, but for someone 5'2" it is. Hence the problem with taking an average weight as a basis for an argument. And rereading everything he posted, I have yet to see where he was trying to be insulting. However, your statements such as "Blacks should police Blacks" strikes the same cord as separate but equal, which was the justification for 140 plus years of segregation. Basically you are saying that all blacks should live in all black neighborhoods and not in mixed race neighborhoods so that black police officers can patrol and police black Americans. Hell, that makes about as much sense as anything white supremicist jack ass redneck could come up with. "Gee, lets set the clock back 60 years, and while we are at it, institute some new jim crow laws, segregate the schools, KEEP THE RACES SEPARATE." Greta, your lack of knowledge of even the most basic social problems faced by the United States through out its history would fill a library. Your suggestion is not only insanely stupid, but illegal and unconstitutional. But then, while you condemn the US for its prevalence of firearms, you condone and even support the fact that public canings are normal for Singapore, a form of punishment that can and often does live permanent scars, long term chronic injuries, and the occasional death. Not only is this used to punish minor criminal offenses, but it is used in schools in your country to deal with rule breakers. And while Singapore and other countries consider this a legitimate punishment, citizens of Singapore, Malaysia and other countries occupied by the Japanese in WW2 who also used caning as a means to punish citizens for minor offenses, wanted various Japanese officials who ordered these punishments tried as war criminals. So, to put it simply, Greta, since you repeatedly show your ignorance of the United States, its constitution, its history of segregation and the social problems that caused, it would behoove you to either educate yourself on the subjects, or shut up.

thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 9:53:49 AM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 So, to put it simply, Greta, since you repeatedly show your ignorance of the United States, its constitution, its history of segregation and the social problems that caused, it would behoove you to either educate yourself on the subjects, or shut up. You southern boys sure know how to sweet talk an irritated female. You are not only subtle but smooth.[;)]

vincentML -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 11:46:53 AM)
jlf !!! quote: An individual may have medical or psychological issues that would prevent compliance with certain instructions from an officer, furthermore, many good officers feel that once a situation has escalated to the point where there is a physical confrontation, the officer in charge at the time has lost control of the situation. Exactly! The officer has lost control. There is a technique that officers use occasionally. They wait. Eric Garner was not making any threatening moves. He was surrounded by maybe six officers. He was obviously frustrated. He was not making an attempt to escape. What is the fucking rush? Better to jump an unarmed man and wrestle him to the ground and kill him than to give him time to cool down? Better to kill him than to talk him down? It has happened several times to mentally ill people here in south florida, ending tragically. quote: However, there is no set guideline for training officers to prevent such confrontations, Sorry, I don't buy that. I just gave you a guide line. Peoples' lives and health first if they do not present a threat. Negotiation Versus Confrontation When the police are called to the scene of a potentially life-threatening situation, more often than not a confrontation not of their making confronts them. In the initial moments, the person or persons responsible for instigating the confrontation may appear to be in control. But as sufficient numbers of officers arrive, the inevitable decision on using force to end the confrontation is brought up for consideration. While no two situations are exactly alike, the merits of negotiation, mediation, and conflict resolution should be given their due. Police who employ force as an immediate response to a crisis situation are frequently labeled as reactionary--as opposed to being recognized as the power in control of the situation. In most instances, police departments that elect to employ mediation and conflict resolution and other communication skills instead of force are generally credited with reducing the level of tension. Negotiation in a crisis situation generally affords the police an opportunity to carefully formulate a well-constructed response. Additional time also facilitates the strategic placement of key personnel, who by then will be in full possession of virtually all of the resources which appear necessary to bring about a successful conclusion of the situation. In the final analysis, if all attempts at talking fail and the time for negotiating comes to an end, the police will be able to demonstrate that they legitimately attempted to use reason instead of force, and only altered their course of action when no other alternative reasonably existed. Expert skills at negotiating, mediation, and conflict resolution are not natural talents that are automatically acquired by each new officer who enters the field of law enforcement. Departments should ensure that classes in negotiating, mediation and conflict resolution are contained within the curriculum of their in-service training and development programs. Recognizing that the decision to negotiate--as opposed to resorting to force--will not always be a viable option, the police department should at least indicate its preference for negotiation whenever possible. Principles of Good Policing: Avoiding Violence Between Police and Citizens

vincentML -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 11:52:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: jlf1961 So, to put it simply, Greta, since you repeatedly show your ignorance of the United States, its constitution, its history of segregation and the social problems that caused, it would behoove you to either educate yourself on the subjects, or shut up. You southern boys sure know how to sweet talk an irritated female. You are not only subtle but smooth.[;)] Poor girl. Thinks she knows the solutions to five hundred years of aberrant racial relationships. Her answer is Apartheid! Sure, that will work. Ask the South Afrikaners, ask the Zionists. Meanwhile she just mucks up the thread. Best not to respond to her terribly misinformed comments.

thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 1:49:01 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML I am curious as to why you think I have never been uncivil to you?

vincentML -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:07:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: vincentML I am curious as to why you think I have never been uncivil to you? I do not think you have NEVER been uncivil to me; I don't think you have EVER been uncivil to me. We have no grievance between us. I was commenting on some of your other posts which seemed rather harsh to me.

thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:15:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am curious as to why you think I have never been uncivil to you? I do not think you have NEVER been uncivil to me; You can say this in spanish but not in english it changes the meaning. I don't think you have EVER been uncivil to me. We have no grievance between us. I was commenting on some of your other posts which seemed rather harsh to me. That was the point I was trying to make vincent. You are not rude to me so I am not rude to you...common courtesy. I apply it to all board members. I am only rude to those who are and have been rude to me. No you cannot be rude to me for a hundred post and then say lets play nice and expect me to follow suit. Do you have a problem with giving what you get?

vincentML -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:29:32 PM)
quote: That was the point I was trying to make vincent. You are not rude to me so I am not rude to you...common courtesy. I apply it to all board members. I am only rude to those who are and have been rude to me. No you cannot be rude to me for a hundred post and then say lets play nice and expect me to follow suit. Do you have a problem with giving what you get? Well, we each have our own style, Tommy. Guess I should mind my own business. [:)]

thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 7:30:21 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML Well, we each have our own style, Tommy. Guess I should mind my own business. [:)] Vinnie what happens on this forum is your business and mine and every other member . You have known the how for some time...now you know the why.

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