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Greta75 -> This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/7/2016 6:58:42 PM)
This Hari Raya week, a few of our Muslim Ministers spoke out, and just look at their politically incorrect messages. They are firm to Muslims to behave themselves! First one is our Minister of Muslim Affairs. http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/dr-yaacob-muslims-must-embrace-non-muslims-also He urged the Muslim community to continue to develop the kind of Islam that embraces Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "As fellow Singaporeans, we have a role to play to preserve the multi-cultural nature of our society. How we practise Islam here must suit the context." He said, being religious should give Muslims the confidence to interact with those of different faiths. "The more they learn and understand their religion, the more confident they were that their religion and their faith will not easily be watered down simply by participating and contributing to the larger society." What I love about our country compared to the west is there is no bullshit pretending and false misleading information from the left that Islam is peaceful. INFACT they tell the Muslims that they better change their religion to Suit Local Context! And we get Muslim leaders to tell them that straight! This is how our government actively get involve in Islamic teachings, they personally hand pick the Muslim preachers and need to make sure the Islam taught and practiced in Islamic countries are not taught in our country! This is an interview with Masagos Zulkifli, another Muslim Minister in our country. These are some of his replies. We are fortunate that we are able to produce our own scholars through our local madrasahs. This is important. If they come from foreign countries, even from Mecca or Medina, they may also carry contexts or cultures that may not be suitable for the life and needs of the Muslims here. Religion must also have its contexts and many of our scholars from the local madrasahs and guided by other local ulamas, they understand better how certain religious teachings should be taught in our context. How we highly value the harmony with other people, how we have to respect the rights of others who have their own practices and how we should tolerate the religious practices of others and do not see them as something that should be banished. This is the context most suitable to us. We have to rely on our religious scholars, we must trust our religious scholars who understand the context of living as a minority in Singapore so that we can continue with our right to practice our religion, as a Malay, as a Muslim. In fact, when we wish others "Merry Christmas", we know that we are not Christians and will not become Christians by saying "Merry Christmas". So, this is important and we do not need opinions which are not only contrary to what we uphold but can also create a situation that is not harmonious. As I have said earlier, the ban on foreign speakers is not just applicable to Muslims. This applies to all, whether they are Christians or Buddhists and so on. We recognise that the Government wants to create a harmonious, peaceful environment for everyone. Anyone who threatens it, whether they are in this country or overseas, we will stop it. This is in response to Muslims pushing for being allowed to wear the Tudung at work, lmao, I love his answer! True dat! We should not just be concerned with what we want. We should also know that every community wants its rights to be met. But, we also know that in Singapore - as mentioned by DPM Teo Chee Hean - we have remained as a harmonious society not because every community is given its rights, but because each community has sacrificed something that is very precious to them for the sake of that harmony, and this is something that we truly hold dear. From one of our locally groomed Mufti, Dr Mohamed Fatris Bakaram: “The more they learn and understand their religion, the more confident they were that their religion, and their faith will not easily be watered down simply by participating and contributing to the larger society,” he added. He noted that some Muslim seem to have “lost confidence in the religion as well as themselves”, claiming that contemporary forms of governance are devoid of Islamic values. But generations of Muslims here have practiced a form of Islamic thought that respected the freedom of religion and honoured the rights of minorities. “This is the type of Islamic values that need to be nurtured by leaders, scholars and the community alike,” he said. The common thing here, ALL of them acknowledge that the Original Islam is not peaceful and keep urging Muslims to be peaceful. They address the contradiction of what Original Islam is, and why they must practice a different type of Islam. It's full acknowledgement that Islam is not a peaceful religion if practised in pure original form. I just wish the west would get off the denial bandwagon and stop promoting the bullshit that Islam is the Religion of Peace! And start acknowledging the problems of Islam and fix it through practical means, like the way we do it. It starts with acknowledging there is a problem with the religion first! The Muslim leaders here are so likable! As I said, I would happily vote for any of these Muslim Ministers to run our country.

thompsonx -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/7/2016 7:38:25 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Oh my, yet another "i hate muslims" post from our number one muslim hater[8\|]

ManOeuvre -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/7/2016 8:43:54 PM)
Greta, I have the luxury of living in a country where religion in general is one the wane, even if mohammedans are enjoying a minor growth spurt. The way I deal with muslims has very much to do with my what's touching my soles. In a country like mine, I can practice street epistemology, using a socratic approach and move the needle left a little on people's certainty gauge. In a country, or region with regular calls to prayer, I tend to keep my head down and mind my own. I'm not always proud of my pragmatism.

Greta75 -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/7/2016 10:16:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Oh my, yet another "i hate muslims" post from our number one muslim hater[8\|] When not supporting a religion that promotes abuse of women is the same as hating KKK for trying to kill minority races, the hate is justified. If you want to promote love and support for abuse of women. That's your problem! After all, you have proven to be pretty misogynistic yourself. So I am not surprise you are on Muslim cheerleading camp. Here, have your poms poms [sm=cheering.gif] and enjoy supporting the Religion of hate. My post is a tried and proven solution on how to handle Muslims and get them inline to making their religion compatible with their host country. I posted solutions. You provide criticisms with ZERO solutions to anything, any topics, in any of your post. Every time when I read anything you write, I learn nothing from it. Zero value. Like no wisdom ever comes out from you. There are others I disagree with but I actually also gain knowledge from their perspectives. But you, absolutely nothing all the time.

Musicmystery -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/8/2016 7:05:47 AM)
. . . which you post on a site that condones and even encourages beating and collaring of women. [8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/8/2016 11:53:25 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Oh my, yet another "i hate muslims" post from our number one muslim hater[8\|] When not supporting a religion that promotes abuse of women is the same as hating KKK for trying to kill minority races, the hate is justified. Could you get someone who speaks english to translate this gibberish into english? If you want to promote love and support for abuse of women. You seem pretty good at making up positions for me that I do not support. That's your problem! After all, you have proven to be pretty misogynistic yourself. Actually this would mark you as a lying sack of putrid shit.

Termyn8or -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 12:51:53 PM)
FR Most Muslims just live their lives and don't really bother anyone. Some can be called to Jihad, and some are in it now. The latter needs to be dealt with as such : "You kill us, we kill back". We can accommodate even the Hijab. no picture ID ? Use the thumbprint. There used to be a check cashing place that did not require ID, they took your thumbprint. In fact that could fix the voter ID dispute as well. If some check cashing joints can afford to do it, so certainly can banks and the government. "ORIGINAL: Greta75 Oh my, yet another "i hate muslims" post from our number one muslim hater" If you read that into it you got one hell of an imagination. Ever read the Bible ? Their god gives them land but all they have to do is to kill everyone on it. Then there were the holy wars which boiled down not to just making sure their lads were free of unbelievers, but to GO OUT to other lands with sword and those peoples got the choice to covert or die. In fact France did it to the Jews and that resulted in the Kol Nidre. Good going motherfuckers. Japan's Shinto is probably more logical than any Mosaic religion, which includes Islam. Die for the Emperor. Our troops die for the oil companies. "If you want to promote love and support for abuse of women. You seem pretty good at making up positions for me that I do not support. " Let me help you with that. IF YOU WANT means IF YOU WANT. It does NOT mean YOU DO. See how the letters are different ? You just did exactly what you wrongly accused. If you know how to read, the OP is not a Muslim hater. Some people just realize that their religion is on the radical side and their book is taken to mean war with infidels forever. Well if you eat pork then you should be put to death because you are unclean. It is written. Old Testament. That is supposedly western values, at least according to the pork eating republicans. And democrats go to Christian churches as well. Some think the Christ made all Mosaic law null and void. Well as far as I can tell he didn't say that at all, ever. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 1:18:07 PM)
"What I love about our country compared to the west is there is no bullshit pretending and false misleading information from the left that Islam is peaceful. INFACT they tell the Muslims that they better change their religion to Suit Local Context! And we get Muslim leaders to tell them that straight! " HEY, we are not letting them do honor killings. We are not letting them throw acid in the face of girls who go to school or cutting off their noses. And this rape shit, although we got alot of affluenza invovled in a very bad way, I doubt they are going to get probation for rape here. Your country might be alright but I heard you can go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk. However I do like the idea of caning. That punk who committed vandalism there years ago who they wanted to can and international pressure came to bear to stop them, I would have said "Alright, we will just put him in jail". Give the punk five years. You go to another country and commit vandalism ? Five years in prison not knowing the language and not used to the food, probably be sick alot. Caning would be better. The pain subsides, and it doesn't wipe out years of your future. The west now considers that cruel and unusual but seems to have no problem taking people away from their families or whatever for decades and then releasing them pretty much branded with a felony conviction so they can't get a decent job. Some of them don't even care if they go back, and they can only get shit jobs, so what is the logical choice ? Take the risk, do it as long as you can and one day it ends and you go back to the cage with your friends. They simply do not care, and for good reason. They want a background check for minimum wage jobs ! What do they expect people to do ? I don't know how you handle this shit there, but it cannot be worse than it is here. Every country seems to have its ups and downs. Although I have never shot anyone, I don't like the idea of not being able to have a gun. I don't spit but very rarely so I wouldn't have a problem with that. But who knows what other crazy laws you might have. But you got JOBS. While the US economy goes down the tubes, you got jobs. You got exports, which is even more important. Now, if you have an outage of your cable TV and call the company, the call is routed to fucking India. Those Indians must pay to work because if I were to try to call India the rates would be out of this world, which proves the phone companies are fucking us. But there is zero consumer protection from gouging in this country. And if you make a little mistake on your bank account they can charge you $300 for a ONE DOLLAR error. I have seen it happen more than once. Your country probably issues its own currency. Regulates the banks. And I assume that since you got laws against spitting on the sidewalk you got tough environmental laws. Even so, I would bet that I can look around my house and find something that says "MADE IN SINGAPORE" but if you look around yours you will not find anything that says "MADE IN USA". I almost thought I wouldn't be able to find anything made here i n my house but there is one thing. Phase Linear 400/2 and 3300/2. They're only 35 years old. Progress needs to stop. T^T

WickedsDesire -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 2:10:17 PM)
it is no secret i view greta75 as an errant piece of shittery

Termyn8or -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 5:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire it is no secret i view greta75 as an errant piece of shittery Explain EXACTLY WHY. Her views are not liberal enough ? T^T

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 5:13:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . which you post on a site that condones and even encourages beating and collaring of women. [8\|] And men, let's not forget the sub men who swarm the site looking to be collared and beaten.

Termyn8or -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/9/2016 6:03:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . which you post on a site that condones and even encourages beating and collaring of women. [8\|] There is of course that difference between consentual and not. That makes the difference. This also needs to be addressed. Abuse victims in most places in this country have no option to decline to press charges, the state presses charges. If you got her tied up and are making marks on her ass a paddle, tawse or even your hand, she might not be able to stop them from giving you a prison cell and a number no matter what she says. There is a HUGE risk in BDSM if something goes wrong, even if she gets pissed off at you later. So now not only is rape worse when a White does it, now any form of abuse, even called for or asked for, is worse if a White does it ? Is that what the fuck they are telling us ? So now what ? Do we make it so BDSM is only illegal for Muslims ? As I said before, THERE IS a REASON that different Peoples are separated. There are major differences in what they consider oral, and belief systems that if not vastly different, have been interpreted vastly differently. Let me ask all you religious folk a question : If we are god's children, why the fuck doesn't he teach us ? And : Why did he make defectives ? These people have to suffer their whole lives with a disability, like no arms or some shit, or worse. To test us ? Fuck you. I used to say that I would not attempt to destroy people's faith because I thought it wrong to do it. As you can see, I have changed my mind. I would rather have this world ruled by computer than humans, but the problem is - who programs it ? Just like the voter fraud thing. They kept your eyes on the voter ID issues while all the time, the people who wrote the software for those machines are the ones who can determine the outcome of an election much ore so than the voters. And back to the religion issue, these people who raise radicals, there is only one thing to do. Starve them out. You do not like what they do then do not buy their products. Let their kids starve. Make even private aid illegal, and ZERO immigration here. I know we are at fault, I have said it. Since WW2 the US has fucked with these people so bad that if they would have done it to us we would have destroyed the world. And they did the same shit in South America about 30-50 years before. The problem is that the radicals have taken root in the middle east BECAUSE of the actions of the UK, US and Israel. And it is too late. We will never be friends. Arabians want their government dead. Iraqi is wondering how the US got its foot up its ass deposing a leader they imposed in the first place, and was actually better than what they have now. What's next they might ask. Anyone got an answer to that ? I thought not. How to handle Islam is the thread. Handle the borders, first of all let nobody in. Next, vet them but not for religion, for COLLEGE DEGREES. Of course that cannot be a applied to Muslim Women but really, very few of them would be a threat. Other countries you might want to move to will want to know about your education and skills and be confident that you can support yourself. Either that or be filthy rich. You just can't move fucking anywhere, but it seems people have that idea now. Israel took in some Ethiopean Jews refugees a couple year back. People got on Israels ass because they wanted to Norplant (or whatever brand they use there) the Women so they could not get pregnant and have any kids born there. Remember that ? And now, you all know how much I bitch about what Jews do, well Ashkenazis, whatver, ISRAELIS, But I got no problem over them effectively controlling their border. And they should just open up the wall all the time and tell the Palestinians "We are removing all embargos and everything, from now on you pay the same prices as Jews and can drive on any road you want. But every time one of you attacks us, we will stack your corpses up. The White Man thinks he invented killing, but we will show the world. We might be ostracised and have to go into diaspora again, but before that happens, ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WILL BE DEAD". That is why that tiny country has damnear as many REAL nukes as the US. Go ahead and attack, if we can't have it, nobody can. That is what Iran wants. They have no intention of attacking anyone, they know it means death. I believe that most Israelis might support that agreement as long as the wall stays up. In a poll, 40 % of them responded they would not live in an apartment building if a Palestinian lived there. And those settlements ? All I can say is they way I see it it those settlements are where the Jews send their stupid ones. Yeah, go ahead and go among people who want you dead. I will not move to a Black neighborhood. I can get along with them and most with me, but I am more likely to find one who cannot get along with me in their neighborhoods. How stoooopid do I have to be ? Why would I make a bad bet like that ? OK, the thingy square whatever in the scroll bar is smaller now so this is long enough. Rant on back y'all, y'hear ? T^T

Greta75 -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/11/2016 8:12:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . which you post on a site that condones and even encourages beating and collaring of women. [8\|] This site does not condone beating and collaring of women non consensually. When it is consensual from both parties. Even if a woman asked to be tortured to death, as long as she wanted it and asked for it, I have no objections. If it brings her pleasure and that is her greatest dream and desire and what will make her die happy. But please don't compare this to non-consensual situations encouraged by Islam.

Greta75 -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/11/2016 8:28:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Your country might be alright but I heard you can go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk. You have a problem with this?? It's about hygiene and keeping the public places clean! Spitting on side walk could spread germs to other people! It's disgusting! And should be banned! If people needs to spit, go do it in a hand washing sink and wash it off with soap, like a civilized human being! quote: However I do like the idea of caning. That punk who committed vandalism there years ago who they wanted to can and international pressure came to bear to stop them, I would have said "Alright, we will just put him in jail". Give the punk five years. You go to another country and commit vandalism ? Five years in prison not knowing the language and not used to the food, probably be sick alot. I know that most people in the US would personally beat the shit out of him IF he spray paint their cars or the walls on their homes anyway. Maybe he might even get shot for even stepping into their lawn to even attempt to spray paint. quote: Caning would be better. The pain subsides, and it doesn't wipe out years of your future. The west now considers that cruel and unusual but seems to have no problem taking people away from their families or whatever for decades and then releasing them pretty much branded with a felony conviction so they can't get a decent job. Some of them don't even care if they go back, and they can only get shit jobs, so what is the logical choice ? I think generally if you got jailed and caned for vandalism as a teen. Most employers would be forgiving about that over here. Because they know kids are naughty and likes doing rebellious things. They do look at the type of crime committed. quote: Even so, I would bet that I can look around my house and find something that says "MADE IN SINGAPORE" but if you look around yours you will not find anything that says "MADE IN USA". It shocks me when I see "Made in Singapore" in any Western countries. I can't remembered was it US or Australia, I went into a tourist shop, and was shock to see the shirt "Made in Singapore". We are having more "Made in Singapore" household appliances here and they were dirt cheap but pretty lousy. We trust German and Japanese and New Zealand and UK and Australian technology better ha. Yea, like zero Made in the USA stuffs. Like our heaters, we will always buy the Made in England ones. We believe it's the best. With washing Machines, we always go with New Zealand, or Made in Japan ones are great too. But I do own a Made in USA product, its an inline skate, one of my greatest treasure and my antique, that I am still using regularly today, that has survived 20 over years. All other skates after were made in china, and they disintegrate after 1 or 2 years. Yet my Made in USA skates are still going strong! You know what else I buy that is Made in the USA? My cat food that I feed my cats! Made in the USA. And my oldest cat is 18 yrs old. Full credit to the quality of the food that enable my cat a long life. I am pro Trump because he is the ONLY person who thought about bringing manufacturing back. And US when they want to make their own products, I think there is alot of focus on quality too. People talk about low wages and stuffs. But how do UK, New Zealand and Germany do it?

Termyn8or -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 6:01:59 AM)
"You have a problem with this?? It's about hygiene and keeping the public places clean! Spitting on side walk could spread germs to other people! It's disgusting!" News flash, spreading germs helps to develop people's immune system. Some doctors are now against all these techniques to never be exposed to germs. It makes you vulnerable. We got people wiping off doorknobs in public places, and it seems they are the ones who catch more disease. But instead of going home and sleeping it off they have to go to the hospital and someone pays for a shitload of tratment that was usually not necessary at all. When I get a cut I don't even wash it, I just make it bleed a bit to wash out whatever might be in there. I have been sick a few times and not gone to a doctor. And I mean to the point where I could barely walk. I forced my body to recover. "I think generally if you got jailed and caned for vandalism as a teen. Most employers would be forgiving about that over here. Because they know kids are naughty and likes doing rebellious things. They do look at the type of crime committed. " Well your criminal court called for the caning(s). From what I read if it is more than a certain amount of strokes you get it in stages. But say if you are 20 and have to go to jail for five years, that is a quarter of your life. They caning only takes a few minutes. You recover and go back home or to work or whatever. Here they want to give you 20 years for a joint. Actually BTW, how are the marijuana laws there ? "And my oldest cat is 18 yrs old. Full credit to the quality of the food that enable my cat a long life. " Yup, we feed the animals better than the people. Rats are the best fed. Lab rats actually. When they poison hem to prove something causes a disease they want them to have no mineral or vitamin deficiencies so that the test results are accurate. I have considered eating it but for two things. First of all it is probably made out of all kinds of gross shit and probably is gross itself. The other problem is that for me to get sufficient quantity of it to live on would most likely be very expensive. "I am pro Trump because he is the ONLY person who thought about bringing manufacturing back." Not me, I am more in the ABC crowd - Anyone But Clinton. An NOBODY can bring the jobs back. We do not have the qualified people to work them. Even if the government said no taxes and free land they would not come back. We need new startups here but if you ever tried it, and I have, forget it. First thing they do is make you a tax collector. People are starting to refuse to do it. My last three or four jobs have been tax free, paid cash. Peoople are sick of this shit and are going to act accordingly. And with a higher minimum wage and the ACA there is going to be alot more of that. Remember Greece ? We are headed there. And Trump is an asshole. Looks like he doesn't think before he speaks. But then, ABC. She will start WW3. T^T

Greta75 -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 6:17:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or News flash, spreading germs helps to develop people's immune system. Some doctors are now against all these techniques to never be exposed to germs. It makes you vulnerable. So spit in your own home floors, if you want to improve your immune system. Public places should be kept clean for everybody as much as possible. No litter, no spit, no pee. Just clean and pleasant for everyone to hang out in! quote: Actually BTW, how are the marijuana laws there ? I have friends who got caught for a joint. They usually get like 3 to 6 months jail. And maybe another 1 or 2 years of probation, where they gotta wear that awful ankle collar thingy. But I think if you are importing in shitloads of marijuana, it might be death. Heroin is a death sentence offense. quote: And Trump is an asshole. Looks like he doesn't think before he speaks. His just not diplomatic. No filter between his brain and his mouth. But people who like him likes that! In real life, I usually choose friends who are like that. No filter, transparent, just say whatever is on their minds without thinking first. I like the bluntness, straight forward talk. I just like people who are real. I can't stand flowery talkers. For once, we can just simply hear someone blubber whatever he thinks. Rather than hear flowery diplomatic politician talk. With Clinton, you get Obama for 4 more years. If you like Obama. Clinton is the perfect choice. With Trump, you don't know what you will be getting, but it will be an exciting 4 years. And he will bumble along the way, as expected, since his not an experienced politician. Reagan had some experience as Governor, but Trump, seriously zero experience. So clearly doesn't have the politician finest. Which I like. Philippine's Donald Trump is doing a fantastic job so far! His starting a war with all the gang leaders, and his gonna lynch corrupt police officers, and his gonna go after corrupt mayors too. Now there is a billion dollar bounty on Philippine's Donald Trump head in the under world in Philippines! Ha! And his VP is like this sweet demure gentle and beautiful Filipino girl, who is like the opposite of his tough masculinity.

Musicmystery -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 9:34:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery . . . which you post on a site that condones and even encourages beating and collaring of women. [8\|] This site does not condone beating and collaring of women non consensually. When it is consensual from both parties. Even if a woman asked to be tortured to death, as long as she wanted it and asked for it, I have no objections. If it brings her pleasure and that is her greatest dream and desire and what will make her die happy. But please don't compare this to non-consensual situations encouraged by Islam. Let's just stake you naked to a post in Arabia, read your posts aloud, set them all straight.

Greta75 -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 9:46:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Let's just stake you naked to a post in Arabia, read your posts aloud, set them all straight. One thing for sure, Islam certainly isn't about consensual when it comes to disciplining women.

Awareness -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 9:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Let's just stake you naked to a post in Arabia, read your posts aloud, set them all straight. One thing for sure, Islam certainly isn't about consensual when it comes to disciplining women. Or about being nice to gay people. In fact some of them have been known to sentence gay people to death - or throw them off tall buildings. It's almost as though... Islam is ... kinda barbaric.. or something.

Musicmystery -> RE: This is the proper way to handle Islam (7/13/2016 1:52:34 PM)
Gosh -- it's almost as if it's not Islam, but rather radical elements attacking other Muslims.

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