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jlf1961 -> RE: Breaking News in Dallas (7/18/2016 10:04:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

JF

Just because there are many other ways that people die, doesn't mean we don't stop trying to prevent the "preventable" ways that people will die against their will.

I mean, suicide, I don't give a shit, their life, their choice.
Or personal carelessness or not taking care of their own health and disregard for their own safety. Again, their life, their choice.

But when terrorists plot to kill you, your choice of whether you want to get hurt or not is taken away from you. And terrorists is something we can do something about.

All the ways where we can prevent people from getting hurt, we will try.

I give you an example. Our trains used to be open platforms. With the big yellow line that tells you not to stand beyond that line. But people still do. I know many western countries still have open platforms. But because one 13 yr old fainted and fell into the tracks. Now they put up fences on all platforms and the response was super fast, like within 3 months of the incident, fences started being built in ALL train stations. Because it could prevent deaths or injuries like that.

We want to work on everything that is realistically preventable.







There is no way in the fucking universe to prevent a random act of senseless violence, except giving up every human right and dignity you have for security or live in a indestructible home.

I would rather take my chances than live in a country where my every move and word is constantly monitored. Christ it is straight out of Orwell's 1984.

You kept telling me sharia law was to be feared, got news for you, the law in Singapore is not far removed from it, and in some respects, exceed sharia law in draconian punishments. Hell, after reading some of the 'anti-terrorist' measures they have adopted, I would be surprised if they dont access your private electronics and activate the cameras.

I kind of like the idea I can smoke in most places, chew gum, occasionally spit on the sidewalk, walk in "protected nature areas" and not get arrested unless I break the law.

No wonder you cant understand what we have been trying to tell you, you have no concept of a legal system that does allow for personal expression.

While I personally do not like that someone burns the flag, I admit that their right to burn the flag is protected under the constitution. Just like my right to call them assholes and worse is protected.

Greta, seriously, you have no clue as to what your missing in exchange for 'security' and sadly, you are too blinded by government bullshit to understand just how much you still stand to lose.




Greta75 -> RE: Breaking News in Dallas (7/19/2016 12:26:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Christ it is straight out of Orwell's 1984.

Orwell 1984 is a nightmare. To me, Singapore is as Utopia as it gets for me. I seriously love living here! I don't feel my freedom restricted in anyway, and I live in no fear! I know the rules, and I think all the rules are fair, because they explain everything in a reasonable way for the need for anything they implement and I always felt their explanation was fair. I like having freedom of speech as much as everybody else, but I can see the big picture. I guess when you live in a country, it cannot be everybody for themselves mentality. Everyone gives up a little of something equally for peace. It's called compromise. And anyway, we voted for our ruling party, so anytime we don't like them anymore, we can vote them off. To me, at this point majority trust them enough to implement these things wisely and not abuse them.

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You kept telling me sharia law was to be feared, got news for you, the law in Singapore is not far removed from it, and in some respects, exceed sharia law in draconian punishments. Hell, after reading some of the 'anti-terrorist' measures they have adopted, I would be surprised if they dont access your private electronics and activate the cameras.

We can't possibly exceed sharia law since we don't chop off hands for theft or stone women for getting themselves raped. We cane men for raping or molesting women, but sharia cane women for getting raped. Sharia doesn't seem to punish aggressor sometimes. We only punish aggressors and not victims.

Actually, in this day and age, I totally expect them to have full access to my private electronics and activate cameras. But the thing is, I am not doing anything illegal, what do I have to be worried about at all? I got nothing to hide. I've never done anything against the law in my life. I never even took drugs before. I mean, generally law abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

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I kind of like the idea I can smoke in most places, chew gum, occasionally spit on the sidewalk, walk in "protected nature areas" and not get arrested unless I break the law.

You can smoke and spit, but just prepare to go broke, you won't go to jail but they will keep hurting your pocket. Chewing gum is legal as I keep saying. The "Protected Nature Areas" are ironically caused by the International Tree Huggers who keeps telling the government that allowing people in there is destroying the forest. And we need to preserve whatever little nature we have by keeping humans away. They claim that our foot steps alone in there destroys the forests, as we trample over new growth and stuffs. So our government has to listen to the "experts" in preserving forests. (In fact these same Tree Huggers have been putting alot of pressure to close down alot of mountains in Malaysia due to human foot steps caused erosion that is ruining the nature inside there, but Malaysia is less bothered as it's tourism for them)

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While I personally do not like that someone burns the flag, I admit that their right to burn the flag is protected under the constitution. Just like my right to call them assholes and worse is protected.

Yea, I don't think you can burn flags here. Neither can you burn bible or Qurans. Basically they don't like people to do acts that will create dischord between differing groups of people. These are baiting acts to cause dischord between two opposing groups of people. It is needless and unhelpful to solve the problem. BLM would be illegal here, as again, it's a movement that causes divisiveness between different groups of people and destroy race relations and heightens tensions. Police killing is evidence how harmful things like BLM is. Not productive at all. There are proper ways to advocate for change. But the government must listen and respond and act. The problem in the US is that, people cry and protest, but nothing gets done. So they get more frustrated and things get more violent. Over here, I always feel like our voices are heard, issues are debated in the parliament, we want to address concerns before things turn really violent and unhappy. And seriously, I feel the injustice in the US. Like that police office who shot the 17 yr old white kid in the back for just listening to ear phones and not hearing him. And the police goes free. In my country, he'd be in trouble for murder. Or that woman who got raped when drunk and to have a callous judge being more concern for the rapist's future than the victim's future. These are injustice we don't have in our country! We just want peace and harmony among different opposing groups.

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Greta, seriously, you have no clue as to what your missing in exchange for 'security' and sadly, you are too blinded by government bullshit to understand just how much you still stand to lose.

The thing is, what exactly can you do that I cannot do? I don't want my right to smoke or spit in public for sure! I hate cigarettes! I wish they got the balls to do a total ban already. I can't even date a man who smokes because it makes my eyes water and turn red and irritated and I seriously get sick 70% of the time, when I was dating men who smoke. The secondary effects is sooo bad for my health! I was just thinking fortunately I didn't have parents who smoke, or I'd be constantly sick all the time.
And I really don't want to have to have a gun to feel safe.

And JF, I think in the past you have spoken about some of your health problems! If smoking was banned, maybe you wouldn't have these health problems. Because you couldn't voluntarily access to something that could cause harm to yourself, I mean most smokers know themselves smoking is bad for personal health but they can't help but smoke!




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