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Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 7:19:40 AM   
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Okay, this is going a bit too far.

Black Gun Owners in Texas Decry Racial Bias


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“This is how they treat black men with guns,” said Babu Omowale, cofounder of the Dallas-based Huey P. Newton Gun Club, of the hunt for Hughes. “I was actually at the protest. I saw the brother with his gun, and it didn’t alarm me in any type of way because to me, he’s another brother expressing his Second Amendment right. But the police automatically view him as a suspect. But that’s how they view us — as suspects. They view us as possible criminals when we’re only applying our given rights as gun owners."


It didnt matter that the 'brother' was black, it mattered because there had just been 11 people shot and that there was a guy with a gun. What this "concerned African American" isnt saying is that at the time that photo of a "brother" with a gun was being circulated as a suspect and person of interest, there were photos of others being circulated by the Dallas Police who werent black.

But wait, where was this photo of a person of interest being shown? Oh yeah, the news media.

Yup, and the media is NOT doing a damn thing to make this a white cop v. black male thing.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 7:27:30 AM   
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THey used twitter to forward his picture as being a sniping suspect.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Dallas-PD-Tweet-of-Cleared-Suspect-Misidentified-Twitter-386047161.html


But yes, both the guys shot before dallas had guns on them in carrying states
They ended up dead.

The cops were overwhelmed, they suffered for that horribly.

Nobody should have died in any of the three incidents.




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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 7:50:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

THey used twitter to forward his picture as being a sniping suspect.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Dallas-PD-Tweet-of-Cleared-Suspect-Misidentified-Twitter-386047161.html


But yes, both the guys shot before dallas had guns on them in carrying states
They ended up dead.

The cops were overwhelmed, they suffered for that horribly.

Nobody should have died in any of the three incidents.






Lucy, if I may ask a simple question:

If 11 people were just shot, and there are pictures of an individual openly carrying an "assault rifle," and you were a law enforcement agency, would that not, justify posting his/her picture as a possible suspect? Regardless of color?

And while I am an avid supporter of the right to own guns, even openly carry guns, I also believe that anyone with a bit of common sense would be smart enough NOT to openly carry a weapon that has, by its very availability to the public, caused so much freaking controversy at an event that was to protest the shooting of a person who was shot needlessly after telling an officer he was licensed to carry a firearm and was indeed armed.

I mean, in my opinion, that makes about as much sense as smearing yourself with seal oil and swimming near a seal colony in the ocean frequented by great white sharks (a species that prefers to eat fat seals.)

Not to mention that this particular 'brother' was openly carrying said weapon at a march protesting the shooting of black Americans by cops in a state where there have been a number of incidents where cops have been ambushed and purposely targeted.

I think the term that applies is "Asking for trouble."

The correct term for his intelligence level: Terminally STUPID.

I have a license to carry, however, I have enough common sense to know that there are just some places and events that a firearm is about as appropriate as a string bikini at a black tie formal.

But hey, he was a black man carrying an AR15 at an event protesting the shooting of a black man legally carrying a firearm in a state where cops have been singled out as targets by black men with guns.

Maybe he was going for Martyr.





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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:02:00 AM   
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It didnt matter that the 'brother' was black, it mattered because there had just been 11 people shot and that there was a guy with a gun. What this "concerned African American" isnt saying is that at the time that photo of a "brother" with a gun was being circulated as a suspect and person of interest, there were photos of others being circulated by the Dallas Police who werent black.

Well I didn't see any other photos circulated, but the interest in this particular fellow wasn't just because of the rifle. He was wearing a camo shirt, which fit the reports of a shooter wearing camo.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:16:32 AM   
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It didnt matter that the 'brother' was black, it mattered because there had just been 11 people shot and that there was a guy with a gun. What this "concerned African American" isnt saying is that at the time that photo of a "brother" with a gun was being circulated as a suspect and person of interest, there were photos of others being circulated by the Dallas Police who werent black.

Well I didn't see any other photos circulated, but the interest in this particular fellow wasn't just because of the rifle. He was wearing a camo shirt, which fit the reports of a shooter wearing camo.

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He turned his unloaded rifle over to the police. End of story.

Oh wait, jungle or desert camo in downtown Dallas. Now that is some real scary shit.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:21:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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THey used twitter to forward his picture as being a sniping suspect.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Dallas-PD-Tweet-of-Cleared-Suspect-Misidentified-Twitter-386047161.html


But yes, both the guys shot before dallas had guns on them in carrying states
They ended up dead.

The cops were overwhelmed, they suffered for that horribly.

Nobody should have died in any of the three incidents.






Lucy, if I may ask a simple question:

If 11 people were just shot, and there are pictures of an individual openly carrying an "assault rifle," and you were a law enforcement agency, would that not, justify posting his/her picture as a possible suspect? Regardless of color?

And while I am an avid supporter of the right to own guns, even openly carry guns, I also believe that anyone with a bit of common sense would be smart enough NOT to openly carry a weapon that has, by its very availability to the public, caused so much freaking controversy at an event that was to protest the shooting of a person who was shot needlessly after telling an officer he was licensed to carry a firearm and was indeed armed.

I mean, in my opinion, that makes about as much sense as smearing yourself with seal oil and swimming near a seal colony in the ocean frequented by great white sharks (a species that prefers to eat fat seals.)

Not to mention that this particular 'brother' was openly carrying said weapon at a march protesting the shooting of black Americans by cops in a state where there have been a number of incidents where cops have been ambushed and purposely targeted.

I think the term that applies is "Asking for trouble."

The correct term for his intelligence level: Terminally STUPID.

I have a license to carry, however, I have enough common sense to know that there are just some places and events that a firearm is about as appropriate as a string bikini at a black tie formal.

But hey, he was a black man carrying an AR15 at an event protesting the shooting of a black man legally carrying a firearm in a state where cops have been singled out as targets by black men with guns.

Maybe he was going for Martyr.





Im just stating what I read, about the police using social media, not just the media...
when you stated....
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But wait, where was this photo of a person of interest being shown? Oh yeah, the news media.

As far as Im concerned, he is lucky he isnt dead with what was going on.
He went to the protest armed
Is he just gonna drop it as soon as someone starts shooting???
surely he should be allowed to protect himself? NO???
A good guy with a gun?, nope, not in the eyes of the rightly panicked law enforcement.

Asking for trouble, and dying for carrying while black puts a lie to the 2nd.




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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:22:57 AM   
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Oh wait, jungle or desert camo in downtown Dallas. Now that is some real scary shit.

What's scary (if that's the word I want) is the way you ignore the circumstances and context and think you're funny.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:30:14 AM   
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But hey, he was a black man carrying an AR15 at an event protesting the shooting of a black man legally carrying a firearm in a state where cops have been singled out as targets by black men with guns.

Make up your mind. There are no conditions on open carry in Texas. So, what are you saying? He's a black man so he should be careful when and where he carries? All I ever see on these boards is the absolute right given by the Second Amendment.
Dude was not a person of interest when he arrived at the protest. Was he charged with some special prescience to know some flake was going to run off 60 rounds? There were white folks in the protest. Would you castigate them for carrying a weapon and wearing camo? Nah, you'd defend their right to open carry.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:32:09 AM   
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A black man in a camo tee shirt carrying a gun.

A white man in a camo tee shirt carrying a gun. Why are not all white males in TEXAS dead right now? Certainly there has been a shooter described like that in Texas.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:34:21 AM   
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Oh wait, jungle or desert camo in downtown Dallas. Now that is some real scary shit.

What's scary (if that's the word I want) is the way you ignore the circumstances and context and think you're funny.

K.





The circumstances which you ignore were a peaceful march in which cops were having their pictures taken with protestors in a city that has been a leader in Community Policing Tactics. Making up shit again as you usually do.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:37:19 AM   
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Asking for trouble, and dying for carrying while black puts a lie to the 2nd.

For sure. Yup. Second Amendment seems to be a white man's privilege.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 8:37:59 AM   
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Oh wait, jungle or desert camo in downtown Dallas. Now that is some real scary shit.

What's scary (if that's the word I want) is the way you ignore the circumstances and context and think you're funny.

K.





The circumstances which you ignore were a peaceful march in which cops were having their pictures taken with protestors in a city that has been a leader in Community Policing Tactics. Making up shit again as you usually do.

YES!!!!

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 9:12:08 AM   
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Oh wait, jungle or desert camo in downtown Dallas. Now that is some real scary shit.

What's scary (if that's the word I want) is the way you ignore the circumstances and context and think you're funny.

The circumstances which you ignore were a peaceful march in which cops were having their pictures taken with protestors in a city that has been a leader in Community Policing Tactics. Making up shit again as you usually do.

Yeah, no. They had a shooter on the loose with little description to go on except that he was wearing camo and armed with a rifle. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a person seen in the crowd who fit that description would be a "person of interest".

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 10:14:47 AM   
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But hey, he was a black man carrying an AR15 at an event protesting the shooting of a black man legally carrying a firearm in a state where cops have been singled out as targets by black men with guns.

Make up your mind. There are no conditions on open carry in Texas. So, what are you saying? He's a black man so he should be careful when and where he carries? All I ever see on these boards is the absolute right given by the Second Amendment.
Dude was not a person of interest when he arrived at the protest. Was he charged with some special prescience to know some flake was going to run off 60 rounds? There were white folks in the protest. Would you castigate them for carrying a weapon and wearing camo? Nah, you'd defend their right to open carry.



What I am saying is that there are times when it is not smart, wise or prudent to carry a weapon openly. I dont care what fucking color your skin is.

I have a license to carry, which under the new law, means if I wanted to, I could openly carry an AR15, AK47, etc. However, just because I have the legal right to do so, does not mean it makes good sense to carry a gun that stands out like a sore thumb, does it?

However the article stated the man was singled out because he was black and carrying an AR15.


And for the record, there are conditions to the open carry law in the state of Texas. A lot of them.

For one, the law only applies to hand guns, 2) you have to have a concealed carry license to do so, and 3) there are a number of public places and events that even licensed people cannot openly carry or carry concealed.

The fact, as Kirata pointed out, that he was wearing clothing matching the description of the shooter might have had a small part in why he was listed as a suspect.

Long arms fall into an entirely different category, under which an officer or officers may use their own judgement as to if the weapon or person with the weapon is a possible danger or b) if the weapon should be carried at the venue or event.

To put it bluntly, the man in question is damn lucky he was not considered a threat after the shooting started and fired on, or the tweet did not say he was considered dangerous.

As I stated before, I own guns, I have a carry permit, and I feel that he second amendment gives every American the right to own whatever damn gun the law allows.

I do not feel that the second amendment protects any gun owner, regardless of skin color, the right to be so fucking stupid as to ask for trouble.

But hey, as I said, maybe he was trying for the title of martyr. Yep, he was a black man carrying a gun at a peaceful march protesting the killing of black men by white cops in a state where white cops have been ambushed for being white cops.

Personally, I think it would have been smarter to carry a concealed weapon (if he was permitted) rather than something that stands out like a camaro in a parking lot full of model t's.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 10:50:54 AM   
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Oh if only white privilege didnt come with so much ignorance.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 12:09:26 PM   
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But hey, he was a black man carrying an AR15 at an event protesting the shooting of a black man legally carrying a firearm in a state where cops have been singled out as targets by black men with guns.

Make up your mind. There are no conditions on open carry in Texas. So, what are you saying? He's a black man so he should be careful when and where he carries? All I ever see on these boards is the absolute right given by the Second Amendment.
Dude was not a person of interest when he arrived at the protest. Was he charged with some special prescience to know some flake was going to run off 60 rounds? There were white folks in the protest. Would you castigate them for carrying a weapon and wearing camo? Nah, you'd defend their right to open carry.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it is always a good idea.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 12:13:56 PM   
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Oh if only white privilege didnt come with so much ignorance.



What white fucking privilege are you talking about?


How about this for a few kicks in the ass Lucy:

All five officers slain in Dallas were known to the Black Lives Matter leaders who organized the protest, known for being there to help, protect, and to head off confrontations before they could happen.

In other words, all five of the dead cops supported what these people were trying to do.

In the last year, 12 officers in the state of Texas were ambushed by gunmen with the intent to kill them, other incidents are suspected, but as of yet not considered planned attacks.

White males are still hold the first place for suspects shot by cops, contrary to what the media, Canadians and every other brainless fuck that cant research facts for themselves.

Less than 1% of all uniformed police officers in the United States are involved in a shooting of a suspect, 990 last year, or 1 in 772 officers drew, fired a weapon and killed someone, with the odds being the person killed was a white male.

There are 765000 patrol officers on the streets of the US.

White Males shot by cops 494
Black Males shot by cops 258

In other words, white males are shot for every one of any other race, contrary to what everyone is saying around the fucking planet.

Does racial profiling happen?

Yes, I will not deny it.

Groups most frequently unfairly targeted?

Muslims (or anyone remotely looking like they are Muslim) at a rate that is 5 times higher than any other minority in the US, with exceptions.

In areas that are predominately white, African Americans and Hispanics are stopped more than whites.

Hispanic and African American males dressed in the 'gangsta' style, are hassled more often by police of all races.

In parts of LA, Latin Americans are stopped more often when they are driving 'lowriders' than Latin Americans driving muscle car type hotrods.

In this part of West Texas, teenage white males in pickups are more often stopped by county and state patrolman and vehicles searched for alcohol than any other race (strangely enough, this results in more misdemeanor pot busts.)

Middle aged white males in this part of Texas are stopped more often than white females by state, county and city cops when they are driving muscle cars, this is directly attributed to the fact that locally, middle aged white males are the number one group ticketed for street racing.

The local bars most often raided by city police are the Long Branch, Guitars and Cadilacs, and until the fire burned it down, Dirty Joe's (biker bar.)

Of course, anyone riding a Harley wearing anything that remotely resembles biker gang attire is gonna be stopped just about anywhere in Texas, this includes the group "Bikers for Jesus."

I used to buy my cigarettes at a local discount smoke shop that also sold pipes used for pot, meth and crack. I quit after I was stopped six times in a row and asked if I would mind my truck being searched, and I am a white male aged 55.

My point, profiling exists, unfortunately a part of human nature, and in some places, a part of the professional standard operating procedure.

And, contrary to what the people in other countries want to admit, it happens in every fucking country on the fucking planet.

White fucking privilege?

I dont want to hear it, not when affirmative action still skews entrance allocations to minorities based on sex, race and religion. The only privilege in the US is who has money.

Lets go a bit further on privilege.

Homeless vets out number every other classification 3 to one in the US, yet some man or woman regardless of race is lower on the housing assistance list than a minority woman with or without kids.

Suicide rates among vets is 4 times the national average for any other group.

Drug addiction among vets is 8 times higher than any other group, with the leading cause of drug use being self medication.

White males are 3 times more likely to be laid off than white females and males of any other group, thanks to various affirmative action tax breaks for hiring minorities and women, hell if the woman is a minority, pregnant and a single mom, it is the tax break jackpot.

Let me give you an example of white privilege from my own past.

When I was in college after I got out of the army, I got custody of my son.

I was living in a loft apartment with about 250 square feet of living space.

I applied for assistance to get into a two bedroom apartment both at my school and the local housing authority.

After 3 months I was told that although I was a single parent, I did not qualify for immediate assistance because I was male, and was living in a place that, while substandard for having my son living with me, put me on a lower priority than women who were in the same situation, I was also informed that me being a white male also was a limiting factor.

I was even shown the guidelines for priority housing, and low and behold, female, minority were priorities.

I had to have my landlord evict my ass to get help with an apartment.

I believe that entrance to schools should be based on merit, public assistance for whatever should be based on need, and nothing should be based on gender or skin color.

I dont give a fuck what color someone's skin is when it comes to some fuck up of a cop who should not wear a badge blowing them away for no good reason. Yeah, black Americans are in the news because they are black.

But black American males or any other minority are less likely to be shot by a cop than whites.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 12:32:42 PM   
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Vincent, what I am trying to say, is that there are times that openly carrying a gun is smart as putting a milk bucket under a bull, or pouring 5 gallons of charcoal lighter fluid on a barbeque grill and throwing a match on it.

Owning a firearm is a right under the constitution. However that right expects the people practicing that right to have a bit of common sense.

And to be honest, anyone openly carrying an AR, white or black, at that rally was not the smartest move.

Or to put it another way, it was about as smart as a Midland Lee high school grad attending the protest wearing a Rebel Pride t shirt...

In less serious contexts:

My attending a Jim Ned football game wearing my favorite Wylie Bulldogs sweat shirt. I can legally do so, would it be smart, hell no. Nor would it be smart to wear a Vikings jacket to a Green Bay game at Lambo field.

Lets face it, humans are emotional and notoriously stupid, especially in groups.



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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 12:54:51 PM   
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Vincent, what I am trying to say, is that there are times that openly carrying a gun is smart as putting a milk bucket under a bull, or pouring 5 gallons of charcoal lighter fluid on a barbeque grill and throwing a match on it.

Owning a firearm is a right under the constitution. However that right expects the people practicing that right to have a bit of common sense.

And to be honest, anyone openly carrying an AR, white or black, at that rally was not the smartest move.

Or to put it another way, it was about as smart as a Midland Lee high school grad attending the protest wearing a Rebel Pride t shirt...

In less serious contexts:

My attending a Jim Ned football game wearing my favorite Wylie Bulldogs sweat shirt. I can legally do so, would it be smart, hell no. Nor would it be smart to wear a Vikings jacket to a Green Bay game at Lambo field.

Lets face it, humans are emotional and notoriously stupid, especially in groups.



persnnally I don't think open carry is a good idea, it makes you a target, and leads to unfortunate misunderstandings like this one.

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RE: Givew me a fucking break - 7/10/2016 1:02:09 PM   
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Vincent, what I am trying to say, is that there are times that openly carrying a gun is smart as putting a milk bucket under a bull, or pouring 5 gallons of charcoal lighter fluid on a barbeque grill and throwing a match on it.

Owning a firearm is a right under the constitution. However that right expects the people practicing that right to have a bit of common sense.

And to be honest, anyone openly carrying an AR, white or black, at that rally was not the smartest move.

Or to put it another way, it was about as smart as a Midland Lee high school grad attending the protest wearing a Rebel Pride t shirt...

In less serious contexts:

My attending a Jim Ned football game wearing my favorite Wylie Bulldogs sweat shirt. I can legally do so, would it be smart, hell no. Nor would it be smart to wear a Vikings jacket to a Green Bay game at Lambo field.

Lets face it, humans are emotional and notoriously stupid, especially in groups.



persnnally I don't think open carry is agood idea, it makes you a target, and le3adsto unfortunate misunderstandings like this one.



Bama, the only time I openly carry a gun is as far away from people as possible.

Hell I got stopped this morning for being in a mixed minority neighborhood with two rifles hanging in the gun rack of my truck.

The white cop that stopped me admitted he stopped me was because I was white in a mostly non white neighborhood with guns in my truck.

While I had both hands on the roof of my truck he called the friend of mine I just dropped off (a local cop as well, and African American) to verify the story I had just dropped him off.

My friend actually had to get dressed and come to where we were to give a positive ID.

Hey lucy, how is that for "white Privilege?"

On a side note, we got two big boars and a couple of sows last night and made 600 bucks each for hog eradication.

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