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Wayward5oul -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 3:12:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Because the op is living in fantasy land and needs to learn why she won't get a taker.

It is possible to keep a person restricted to the house, if the owner can afford a stay at home partner. Live in a place without public transportation and don't give them a car.

That way they can do all the housekeeping and lawn and garden care. And the owner can come home to a nice, relaxing dinner in a peaceful environment and look forward to conversation since the at home partner will presumably have read the paper and have things to talk about.

The op will not have tv, Internet or any other news source. No books, radio or movies. She wouldn't have done anything or learned anything, and therefore won't have anything to talk about.

Now if someone in a kink group she attends does have a cell, she could pay them to make her fantasy come true for a long weekend to try it out. But I doubt they would want to waste their two weeks off a year on this.

I agree that it is improbable, and not something I would be remotely interested in nor anyone that I know. But it seemed to me that the conversation was going beyond 'this is why it wouldn't work' and into 'one twue wayism' territory, what real dominants want, etc.




ImposeYourWill -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 3:13:20 PM)

To those concerned about the risk, no one is asking you to take it.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 3:54:55 PM)

No shit?




DesFIP -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 4:11:29 PM)

There's one other thing which is causing our cynicism to come out in full force.

In the 15 years I've been on various sites, I've seen variations of this about once a month. But always from males.

Now it's possible that the op is the one female in ten million who has a true fetish, but it's damned unlikely.

Someone asked the op why and conveniently that question has not received an answer. That's because the most common answer is "my wife does' understand me". Which you can't use if you're pretending to be female.

For women, having to poop into a bucket for those five days a month when you have diarrhea with your period, and changing a tampon over it does not appeal in the least. Men don't have to think about the reality of this.




CarpeComa -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 5:16:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa



How is creating a risk separate from the risk you incur doing other activities? There isn't a rational distinction. By that token, you should never do anything with your '/s person' as everything you do creates "unnecessary and potentially harmful" risks.

It's not about accepting risk. It's about understanding the level of risk, then accepting it. Most people don't look at the "what ifs" when their genitals do the thinking.




No it isn't. See, I've been down this path before with the Collarspace safety police on a very similar subject. It doesn't matter to them that the risk involved is less than the risk you take driving to the store. It doesn't matter that there are other accepted activities that are riskier. This is really about worst-first thinking when faced with something outside one's immediate experience. If paddling wasn't common, these same people would be up in arms. It would be all about how the blood clots from bruises could lead to a stroke, so you shouldn't ever ever do that. You are putting the /s's life at risk! You would be stupid to take that added risk!

See how that argument works for damn near anything and everything?




Wayward5oul -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 7:03:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa



How is creating a risk separate from the risk you incur doing other activities? There isn't a rational distinction. By that token, you should never do anything with your '/s person' as everything you do creates "unnecessary and potentially harmful" risks.

It's not about accepting risk. It's about understanding the level of risk, then accepting it. Most people don't look at the "what ifs" when their genitals do the thinking.




No it isn't. See, I've been down this path before with the Collarspace safety police on a very similar subject. It doesn't matter to them that the risk involved is less than the risk you take driving to the store. It doesn't matter that there are other accepted activities that are riskier. This is really about worst-first thinking when faced with something outside one's immediate experience. If paddling wasn't common, these same people would be up in arms. It would be all about how the blood clots from bruises could lead to a stroke, so you shouldn't ever ever do that. You are putting the /s's life at risk! You would be stupid to take that added risk!

See how that argument works for damn near anything and everything?

I think the argument about the level of risk is quite apt here. This kind of isolation means limited or no access to basic health care/maintenance, social interaction necessary to mental health and stability, and dependence upon a lone individual ups the ante in terms of risk assessment substantially, compared to a lot of other activities. The points being made regarding risk to the individual are completely valid and anyone who is not willing to take them into consideration is denying reality.

As far as the example given here goes, it really doesn't work for paddling. That is one of the least risky areas of concern for clots.




kiwisub22 -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/16/2016 7:20:33 PM)

*sigh* All I can think of is that the prisoner isn't earning and not accumulating money for retirement, or anything in the way of savings.
Apart from the total boredom, the financial repercussions would be profound after a while. [&o]




ChrchofDrk -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 7:20:15 AM)

I can see by this debate that far too many in it believe in SSC. Whereas the Op and at least one other believe in RACK. Neither is wrong yet both think they're right. Debates of this sort are largely pointless since neither will concede to the others POV




WickedsDesire -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 8:12:37 AM)

I am not everyone now am I.
And you are no women...for if you were you would fetch me a good muffin or two. I doubt i could get billy the goat for you.




ImposeYourWill -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 9:42:54 AM)

ChrchofDrk, True I think I am right - for me. What I object to is others telling me I am wrong or worse, simply seeking a fantasy. Particularly those who have not walked a mile in my shackles.

I have no problem with SSC, just a different interpretation of what is considered safe and/or sane. However there is no desire to mandate that others accept my interpretation.




ChrchofDrk -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 9:48:03 AM)

Oh I agree wholeheartedly ImposeYourWill. What is right for you is right for you and just because it's not right for them doesn't make it right for them to give you shit about what's right for you. But the close minded in the world think otherwise unfortunately. Those that can't accept ways that may be different from theirs as just as viable as theirs. It's a sad truth everywhere you go.

On a personal note. I've always had trouble with SSC. As Safe and Sane are defined so differently from understanding to understanding. Both being rather subjective in definition




CelticPrince -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 4:21:23 PM)

I feeling of power........perhaps so but to the experienced master it is far more a sense of responsibility and that can get old fast unless the
sub is really on her toes and keeps the masters interest properly on point.

CP




CarpeComa -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/17/2016 5:14:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


No it isn't. See, I've been down this path before with the Collarspace safety police on a very similar subject. It doesn't matter to them that the risk involved is less than the risk you take driving to the store. It doesn't matter that there are other accepted activities that are riskier. This is really about worst-first thinking when faced with something outside one's immediate experience. If paddling wasn't common, these same people would be up in arms. It would be all about how the blood clots from bruises could lead to a stroke, so you shouldn't ever ever do that. You are putting the /s's life at risk! You would be stupid to take that added risk!

See how that argument works for damn near anything and everything?

I think the argument about the level of risk is quite apt here. This kind of isolation means limited or no access to basic health care/maintenance, social interaction necessary to mental health and stability, and dependence upon a lone individual ups the ante in terms of risk assessment substantially, compared to a lot of other activities. The points being made regarding risk to the individual are completely valid and anyone who is not willing to take them into consideration is denying reality.

As far as the example given here goes, it really doesn't work for paddling. That is one of the least risky areas of concern for clots.


I said not one thing about denying the risks. My point is that the level of risk isn't relevant to the majority of the naysayers, only that there is a possibility of a catastrophic failure and that this isn't a common practice. As a result, worst-first thinking kicks in, resulting in automatic rejection citing the catastrophic failure regardless of how unlikely it is. It absolutely is not about rational assessment. Almost none of the responses were about risk assessment, it was "you shouldn't do it because of the risk of X". The fact that you tried to deny my example is actually a demonstration of this in action. Because paddling is common behavior and most people here have engaged in it at some point in time, the risks of catastrophic failure get acceptance instead of 'you should monitor them after every post-paddling session for at least 24hrs in case of clot-induced stroke. If you aren't prepared to do that, you shouldn't been doing this'. The house burning down is an incredibly unlikely event, yet it was the go-to reason for rejection. The focus is on the extremely unlikely catastrophic failure(s), not the relatively mundane and manageable concerns. This behavior is neither Collarspace nor BDSM specific.

See past the words for the pattern.




ChrchofDrk -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/18/2016 5:42:39 AM)

*chuckles ... well said




Wayward5oul -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/18/2016 3:21:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
My point is that the level of risk isn't relevant to the majority of the naysayers, only that there is a possibility of a catastrophic failure and that this isn't a common practice. As a result, worst-first thinking kicks in, resulting in automatic rejection citing the catastrophic failure regardless of how unlikely it is.


You initially posted about ‘worst-first’ thinking in post #33. In the 32 posts prior to that, exactly 2 posters mentioned house fires. Throughout the entire thread, only 3 out of 16 posters mentioned house fires and/or other unforeseen events as obstacles. So your statement about the majority of naysayers going for ‘worst-first’ doesn’t hold water.

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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
It absolutely is not about rational assessment. Almost none of the responses were about risk assessment, it was "you shouldn't do it because of the risk of X".


In actuality, most of the responses were direct, realistic answers to the OP.

Out of the 55+/- posts on this thread, there are several mentions of possible alternatives to long-term captivity, and advice on how to find such alternatives, such as

-short play scenes (either as one-time events or periodically)

-using a kink group to find someone with a cell that she could pay for a short-term experience (such as a weekend or longer)

-considering scaling back 24/7 captivity to something like 20-22 hours a day to lessen the burden on the dominant

-and the suggestion that the OP look at switches rather than dominants as possible captors, as the work involved in handling this type of scenario might appeal to someone who has masochistic or service tendencies as well

Most of the remaining posts directly answered the OP’s question about how realistic this desire was and should she just accept that it was not going to happen. Among the reasons they gave her were:

-many mentions of the burden of responsibility that captivity puts on the captor, which would be a big turn-off for many dominants

-several mentions of the long-term health effects, both physically and mentally, that would be seen in the prisoner (psychological effects from isolation, susceptibility to abuse by captor,

-a few mentions of what happens to a prisoner that is left with no resources and the ensuing financial repercussions (for both prisoner and captor, as maintaining a prisoner means additional expenses) both during and after imprisonment

-a few mentions of mundane daily considerations that people probably don’t consider when fantasizing about this scenario, but that could put a real damper on the reality of the scenarios, such as bathroom considerations, menstrual considerations, inconveniences the dominant must undertake to receive any services from the prisoner, basic health care (medical checkups, dental, etc assuming you don’t intend for the prisoner to waste away entirely) etc.

-a few mentions of alternative scenarios, such as home imprisonment rather than cell imprisonment, where the prisoner can be of more service to a captor while still experiencing a degree of captivity.

And oh yeah, the three mentions of house fires and other unforeseen events


The OP specifically asked why they couldn’t find anyone to do this. So all the people who spoke of obstacles were directly answering the OP’s question.

The fact that there are people out there who actually do consider unforeseen events as enough of a risk to not undertake this type of activity is one of the reasons that she will have difficulty finding this type of dynamic. How likely they are to happen is irrelevant. The fact that they exist is enough to deter many people from participating in this, which directly addresses the OP.

You talking about how they are all exaggerating does nothing to answer the OP’s question, nor helps her find a solution. In fact it begs another question-if, as you say, it isn’t so difficult, why is the OP having such issues finding someone?



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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
The house burning down is an incredibly unlikely event, yet it was the go-to reason for rejection.


No, it wasn't. Apparently your own experiences in arguing this with people have affected your perception. It was all you focused on, but it was not even a primary reason discussed in this thread.





OsideGirl -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/18/2016 4:25:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul




The OP specifically asked why they couldn’t find anyone to do this. So all the people who spoke of obstacles were directly answering the OP’s question.



You talking about how they are all exaggerating does nothing to answer the OP’s question, nor helps her find a solution. In fact it begs another question-if, as you say, it isn’t so difficult, why is the OP having such issues finding someone?



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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa
The house burning down is an incredibly unlikely event, yet it was the go-to reason for rejection.


No, it wasn't. Apparently your own experiences in arguing this with people have affected your perception. It was all you focused on, but it was not even a primary reason discussed in this thread.




Thank you!!

I do wish to add though....SoCal is in the middle of wildfire season, in fact there's one happening right now, where homes have been evacuated. Having your home burn down, when you live outside of the city is not some wild abstract and when the order to evacuate comes, you're usually given just a few minutes.




DesFIP -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/18/2016 8:04:21 PM)

We're in a drought here in the east. I border a state park and they've had three forest fires this year. So yeah, it's not so esoteric a consideration as some people think.




Murphster -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/24/2016 3:46:36 AM)

sounds expensive. maybe you could find a metal huge dog crate, or a dog run, and be content with that?




WhoreMods -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/24/2016 4:34:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Murphster

sounds expensive. maybe you could find a metal huge dog crate, or a dog run, and be content with that?

"It picks up its own poop or else it gets the hose..."
[:D]




WickedsDesire -> RE: Prison? Possible or not? (7/24/2016 9:52:50 AM)

Every time you create a new profile you start with the imprisonment just saying

As for this question, which you have many times, I have never know anyone in my life to seek this - as others have said - usually dog cage, sometimes a room, or even just tied to eg a bed.
and i agree with everything peppermint has just said above




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