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ifmaz -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 10:53:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Your opinion is there is no "rational" reason for a civilian to own such a rifle and you state this opinion is "unchallenged" and "uncountered". I am merely asking what reasons you have for taking such a stance. What formed this "unchallenged" opinion of yours?

It's difficult to read when you're dizzy.

K.




I'm sitting down to my second glass of this incredible 20 year Tawny and have worked an ungodly amount of hours recently. Maybe I'm missing something, what with my thick skull, or I'm just not articulating properly.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:02:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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"Rational" in this context, if you read the OP, means that the government proscribes the ownership.

No it doesn't.

Niener niener, I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

There, a comment to you that is about as rational as yours. If you'd has read the OP, and been able to understand it, you might be aware of that and spout something with a little more...shall we say...thoughtful, insight.




Kirata -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:06:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Your opinion is there is no "rational" reason for a civilian to own such a rifle and you state this opinion is "unchallenged" and "uncountered". I am merely asking what reasons you have for taking such a stance. What formed this "unchallenged" opinion of yours?

It's difficult to read when you're dizzy.

I'm sitting down to my second glass of this incredible 20 year Tawny and have worked an ungodly amount of hours recently. Maybe I'm missing something, what with my thick skull, or I'm just not articulating properly.


I wasn't referring to you. [:D]

K.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:09:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

... yet I don't recall seeing a list of rational reasons as to why civilians should not own a semi-automatic rifle with a "large capacity" magazine. Do you have any rational reasons?


Because they don't want one, as already stated.

Most people consider not buying what one doesn't want to be rational.

No...that's not gonna fly. "Rational" in this context, if you read the OP, means that the government proscribes the ownership. It has nothing to do with ability to afford or desire to own.


Actually, that's completely wrong.

The context was this:

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

If there is no reason a civilian should not own such a rifle, they can (and should) own it. Many, in fact, because there's no rational reason not to.




Okay, I'll give you that one. I'll lay the blame for my error on having to try and contend with the inane dribble coming from another source. I'll also hitch up my pants and climb on my high horse and point out to both you and ifmaz that that isn't germane to the original OP. Climbing down now from the horse and readjusting my briefs.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:11:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Your opinion is there is no "rational" reason for a civilian to own such a rifle and you state this opinion is "unchallenged" and "uncountered". I am merely asking what reasons you have for taking such a stance. What formed this "unchallenged" opinion of yours?

It's difficult to read when you're dizzy.

K.




I'm sitting down to my second glass of this incredible 20 year Tawny and have worked an ungodly amount of hours recently. Maybe I'm missing something, what with my thick skull, or I'm just not articulating properly.


Dizzy was asking you why you couldn't get something through your thick skull on the previous page.




ifmaz -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:15:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Your opinion is there is no "rational" reason for a civilian to own such a rifle and you state this opinion is "unchallenged" and "uncountered". I am merely asking what reasons you have for taking such a stance. What formed this "unchallenged" opinion of yours?

It's difficult to read when you're dizzy.

K.




I'm sitting down to my second glass of this incredible 20 year Tawny and have worked an ungodly amount of hours recently. Maybe I'm missing something, what with my thick skull, or I'm just not articulating properly.


Dizzy was asking you why you couldn't get something through your thick skull on the previous page.


Yes, I'm aware. I'm also aware that perhaps I'm not presenting the discussion properly in a way Dizzy can understand (no personal insult implied).





Edwird -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:15:22 PM)

As to your inquiry regarding reasons not to buy a semi-automatic rifle;

For me personally, as for many millions of others, I've just never felt the need for, and have never had the urge to own a gun of any sort.

I've known gun owners all my life, so it's possible that long ago I might have given some bit of thought to it, but I don't consciously recall it.

In any case I just never gave much thought as to why. People usually give more thought to actions they are contemplating than those they are not.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:33:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

As to your inquiry regarding reasons not to buy a semi-automatic rifle;

For me personally, as for many millions of others, I've just never felt the need for, and have never had the urge to own a gun of any sort.

I've known gun owners all my life, so it's possible that long ago I might have given some bit of thought to it, but I don't consciously recall it.

In any case I just never gave much thought as to why. People usually give more thought to actions they are contemplating than those they are not.

I, actually, owned guns for probably twenty years before I bought a semi-automatic rifle. I bought one...or so...specifically because the government was going to ban them. Which just shows you how well liberal policies ever work. Come to think of it, until then I didn't even own semi-auto pistols. I had revolvers, bolt and lever action rifles and shotguns. Clinton's (the rapist not the rape justifier and crook) gun ban inspired me to own that which I had never before desired.




BamaD -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/17/2016 11:46:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

As to your inquiry regarding reasons not to buy a semi-automatic rifle;

For me personally, as for many millions of others, I've just never felt the need for, and have never had the urge to own a gun of any sort.

I've known gun owners all my life, so it's possible that long ago I might have given some bit of thought to it, but I don't consciously recall it.

In any case I just never gave much thought as to why. People usually give more thought to actions they are contemplating than those they are not.

I, actually, owned guns for probably twenty years before I bought a semi-automatic rifle. I bought one...or so...specifically because the government was going to ban them. Which just shows you how well liberal policies ever work. Come to think of it, until then I didn't even own semi-auto pistols. I had revolvers, bolt and lever action rifles and shotguns. Clinton's (the rapist not the rape justifier and crook) gun ban inspired me to own that which I had never before desired.

I got my first automatic rifle when I was 18, as a grauduation/Christmas present. This was long enough ago that it was legal. My preference is a lever action, and I prefer revolvers. I carry and automatic most of the time because they are easier to conceal but my handgun of preference is a colt sa clone.
As I see it, if someone doesn't want to own a firearm that is their business, I have no right to tell them to get one, just as they have no right to tell me I can't.
Also a revolver, a lever, or a pump, are just as deadly as an automatic, and that harping about automatics is just a smoke screen to go after all guns.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:10:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

As to your inquiry regarding reasons not to buy a semi-automatic rifle;

For me personally, as for many millions of others, I've just never felt the need for, and have never had the urge to own a gun of any sort.

I've known gun owners all my life, so it's possible that long ago I might have given some bit of thought to it, but I don't consciously recall it.

In any case I just never gave much thought as to why. People usually give more thought to actions they are contemplating than those they are not.

I, actually, owned guns for probably twenty years before I bought a semi-automatic rifle. I bought one...or so...specifically because the government was going to ban them. Which just shows you how well liberal policies ever work. Come to think of it, until then I didn't even own semi-auto pistols. I had revolvers, bolt and lever action rifles and shotguns. Clinton's (the rapist not the rape justifier and crook) gun ban inspired me to own that which I had never before desired.

I got my first automatic rifle when I was 18, as a grauduation/Christmas present. This was long enough ago that it was legal. My preference is a lever action, and I prefer revolvers. I carry and automatic most of the time because they are easier to conceal but my handgun of preference is a colt sa clone.
As I see it, if someone doesn't want to own a firearm that is their business, I have no right to tell them to get one, just as they have no right to tell me I can't.
Also a revolver, a lever, or a pump, are just as deadly as an automatic, and that harping about automatics is just a smoke screen to go after all guns.

Since the gun ban of '94 my tastes have changed more than once. Sometimes I buy something I'd in the past sworn I'd never own. Now, pretty much I prefer a gun suited to the task. The places I hunt aren't conducive to lever guns, the shots tend to be longer. As you said, concealing a revolver is difficult. But I tell you there is nothing like the feel of a SAA and I hunt with a Freedom Arms. And I consider "nothing like the feel" to be a task which deserves to be suited. Lately I've been doing a lot of long distance shooting and frankly an AR is a 400 yard rifle and not sufficient out to and past 1000 yards. So I've been loading for and shooting diminutive 6.5mm rounds that have bullets with a high BC. (BC said just to be a snob and confuse people but I know you'll understand.)




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:10:38 AM)

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Another person being robbed by their ESL teacher.

Nope, none of those reasons are a necessity, therefore no needs given, only reasons one may want to. Looks like you were the one robbed.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:13:57 AM)

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Dizzy was asking you why you couldn't get something through your thick skull on the previous page.

No I wasn't. You guys seem to have trouble recognizing a question. I told him to get it through his thick skull, I never asked him anything.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:17:25 AM)

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And your rational premis for a thick skull is that you don't understand him or he doesn't understand you?

His continued insistence that I hold a position I have clearly stated several times I do not hold. :)




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:20:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Another person being robbed by their ESL teacher.

Nope, none of those reasons are a necessity, therefore no needs given, only reasons one may want to. Looks like you were the one robbed.

Actually Dizz, that wasn't my statement in your quote. I believe that was a Kirata statement. I'm assuming you were trying to quote me since my name is down in the bottom right hand corner of your quote. Boy, you just keep stepping in it don't you. I guess being a bartender it's not past your bed time, but maybe you should just give it up and try again another day. And...oh...it may be proper for you to say that those reasons listed are not necessities "TO ME". Because they certainly are necessities and you probably meant not to you and that you can't see past your narcissistic order in the world. But then, there we are back again to your poor communication skills.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:22:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Dizzy was asking you why you couldn't get something through your thick skull on the previous page.

No I wasn't. You guys seem to have trouble recognizing a question. I told him to get it through his thick skull, I never asked him anything.


So, in your defensive state of mind, he became you guys. There you go. Same inability to articulate a salient point.




Nnanji -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 12:23:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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And your rational premis for a thick skull is that you don't understand him or he doesn't understand you?

His continued insistence that I hold a position I have clearly stated several times I do not hold. :)

Okay, you can have that one. You see, it really isn't that hard to make a cogent point if you really really try.




BamaD -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 1:28:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Another person being robbed by their ESL teacher.

Nope, none of those reasons are a necessity, therefore no needs given, only reasons one may want to. Looks like you were the one robbed.

I live in a neighborhood where odds are that if I have a problem there will be multiple assaliants. This not only provides a need for a firearm but for more firepower that your basic single shot will allow.
I know a number of people who couldn't control a larger more powerful firearm making the AR a very good home defense weapon for them.
Others lack the use of one hand which means they need enough firepower in a handgun to provide security without hand to hand.




DesideriScuri -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 1:32:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
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You've stated there is no "rational reason" for a civilian to own such a firearm,

Correct
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thus implying there were reasons a civilian should not own one.

Only in your mind. Like I said, you are extrapolating a position I have not only never taken, one I have specifically said I do not hold.
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What are those reasons?

Hell, you tell me, after all, you are making up my position, so you may as well keep on making shit up.

If there is no reason a civilian should not own such a rifle, they can (and should) own it. Many, in fact, because there's no rational reason not to.


"I don't want one."

There IS a rational reason not to own such a rifle.

As far as a rational reason to own one: if those that I want to be prepared to defend against are either going to be in a group of several, have these types of rifles themselves, or both, I have a rational reason to own one such rifle.




BamaD -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 1:34:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

As to your inquiry regarding reasons not to buy a semi-automatic rifle;

For me personally, as for many millions of others, I've just never felt the need for, and have never had the urge to own a gun of any sort.

I've known gun owners all my life, so it's possible that long ago I might have given some bit of thought to it, but I don't consciously recall it.

In any case I just never gave much thought as to why. People usually give more thought to actions they are contemplating than those they are not.

I, actually, owned guns for probably twenty years before I bought a semi-automatic rifle. I bought one...or so...specifically because the government was going to ban them. Which just shows you how well liberal policies ever work. Come to think of it, until then I didn't even own semi-auto pistols. I had revolvers, bolt and lever action rifles and shotguns. Clinton's (the rapist not the rape justifier and crook) gun ban inspired me to own that which I had never before desired.

I got my first automatic rifle when I was 18, as a grauduation/Christmas present. This was long enough ago that it was legal. My preference is a lever action, and I prefer revolvers. I carry and automatic most of the time because they are easier to conceal but my handgun of preference is a colt sa clone.
As I see it, if someone doesn't want to own a firearm that is their business, I have no right to tell them to get one, just as they have no right to tell me I can't.
Also a revolver, a lever, or a pump, are just as deadly as an automatic, and that harping about automatics is just a smoke screen to go after all guns.

Since the gun ban of '94 my tastes have changed more than once. Sometimes I buy something I'd in the past sworn I'd never own. Now, pretty much I prefer a gun suited to the task. The places I hunt aren't conducive to lever guns, the shots tend to be longer. As you said, concealing a revolver is difficult. But I tell you there is nothing like the feel of a SAA and I hunt with a Freedom Arms. And I consider "nothing like the feel" to be a task which deserves to be suited. Lately I've been doing a lot of long distance shooting and frankly an AR is a 400 yard rifle and not sufficient out to and past 1000 yards. So I've been loading for and shooting diminutive 6.5mm rounds that have bullets with a high BC. (BC said just to be a snob and confuse people but I know you'll understand.)

Any shot over 100 yards here is really unlikely so a lever is fine.
Of course you do know that Browning make a model 95 in 30-06 with a detachable magazines and marlin has developed the .308 express with a soft tip so it can be used in tube magazines.
But I agree nothing feels as good as a SAA.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: MD FSA Decision - 2nd Circuit (7/18/2016 3:23:41 AM)

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I'm assuming you were trying to quote me since my name is down in the bottom right hand corner of your quote. Boy, you just keep stepping in it don't you.

Nope, I must have used the fast reply function.




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