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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/19/2016 12:33:21 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

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you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.


And sometimes we kill fellow humans because they are rabid animals that need to be put down.

Not nearly so often or with as much glee.

Oh dizzy, come on now. Form complete thoughts in your head and then write the complete thought down. Do what not nearly as often as what? Do what more gleefully as doing what less gleefully. If you take this advice your posts would actually start to make sense. Other people do, if you practice you can too.

Not my fault you have trouble with reading comprehension. I'll give you a hint: context. It's all about the context baby.

Hum, yet it's you who is always being misunderstood. Again, intersection will lend you a lot in life.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/19/2016 12:47:20 AM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.

.....sure they are and show it all of the time.

where I demur would be in an animals ability to understand between "right and wrong" or "good and bad" and to make conscious choices according to morality.

Studies have shown that human brains are wired for empathy and that our sense of fairness is innate. It follows that our moral sense is not dependent on any rational knowledge of good and evil (as a Christian you will recall the reason for the fall). People will argue perfectly rationally that the loss of one life is preferable to a loss of ten, but only when they don't have to do the killing. Morality precedes rationality and can only be corrupted by it.

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A couple of thoughts on that.

That argument has been ongoing for a long time. I recall reading Mencius, sometime around 1,000 BC Chineses philosopher, arguing pro your position against several antis. Yet, I've also read history where the Vikings started kids killing early before they had that moral sense so they would grow up loving rape and pillage. In the U.S. Car insurance companies don't like to insure people under 25 because their brains aren't completely wired for impulse control until that age. So, if you can take a kid with no impulse control and teach him to kill early and justify it as this is your tribe, kill everyone else, and the kid learns rape, pillage an death to everyone but "us", your moral sense may not be as wired as studies may now show. I'm not arguing your point. I'm just pointing out it has been a subject of discussion and modification for thousands of years and maybe not as hard wired as presented in the studies you cite.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/19/2016 8:15:40 AM   
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That argument has been ongoing for a long time. I recall reading Mencius, sometime around 1,000 BC Chineses philosopher, arguing pro your position against several antis. Yet, I've also read history where the Vikings started kids killing early before they had that moral sense so they would grow up loving rape and pillage. In the U.S. Car insurance companies don't like to insure people under 25 because their brains aren't completely wired for impulse control until that age. So, if you can take a kid with no impulse control and teach him to kill early and justify it as this is your tribe, kill everyone else, and the kid learns rape, pillage an death to everyone but "us", your moral sense may not be as wired as studies may now show. I'm not arguing your point. I'm just pointing out it has been a subject of discussion and modification for thousands of years and maybe not as hard wired as presented in the studies you cite.

Well nobody would argue that our moral sense can't be corrupted. But studies have found evidence of empathy and a sense of fairness even in babies, so it isn't something that develops later on. It's just most easily corrupted while we're young when brain plasticity is greatest. I think the point of the argument is simply that reason is not equipped to make moral judgments. Empathy is a non-rational process and fairness is something that's felt.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/19/2016 9:20:18 AM   
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Hum, yet it's you who is always being misunderstood.

Only by a few specific readers.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/20/2016 12:13:01 PM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.

.....sure they are and show it all of the time.

where I demur would be in an animals ability to understand between "right and wrong" or "good and bad" and to make conscious choices according to morality.

Studies have shown that human brains are wired for empathy and that our sense of fairness is innate. It follows that our moral sense is not dependent on any rational knowledge of good and evil (as a Christian you will recall the reason for the fall). People will argue perfectly rationally that the loss of one life is preferable to a loss of ten, but only when they don't have to do the killing. Morality precedes rationality and can only be corrupted by it.

K.




I'd agree. No amount of reasoning can ever be a substitute for what's in your heart - not in the long term anyway.


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