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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
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Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
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Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

A lot of our right to carry arms actually comes to us through common law from Britain. (Too bad they've whimped out since then). But it was long tradition that while you traveled around outside armed all you wanted, or could afford, but when you went into a person's hall you surrendered your arms to the Steward. They did that because it was just too easy for men to have a few pots of ale, start to argue politics and get into fights. I'd suggest Cleveland was just recognizing another aspect of the common law tradition. I'm fine with it even if I do carry concealed into sporting events that strictly prohibit such a thing.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
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Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

A lot of our right to carry arms actually comes to us through common law from Britain. (Too bad they've whimped out since then). But it was long tradition that while you traveled around outside armed all you wanted, or could afford, but when you went into a person's hall you surrendered your arms to the Steward. They did that because it was just too easy for men to have a few pots of ale, start to argue politics and get into fights. I'd suggest Cleveland was just recognizing another aspect of the common law tradition. I'm fine with it even if I do carry concealed into sporting events that strictly prohibit such a thing.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
...

Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

A lot of our right to carry arms actually comes to us through common law from Britain. (Too bad they've whimped out since then). But it was long tradition that while you traveled around outside armed all you wanted, or could afford, but when you went into a person's hall you surrendered your arms to the Steward. They did that because it was just too easy for men to have a few pots of ale, start to argue politics and get into fights. I'd suggest Cleveland was just recognizing another aspect of the common law tradition. I'm fine with it even if I do carry concealed into sporting events that strictly prohibit such a thing.

... which is "fine" (ish) when you're entering a building or something, but not the entirety of a county: "... but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over".

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
...

Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

A lot of our right to carry arms actually comes to us through common law from Britain. (Too bad they've whimped out since then). But it was long tradition that while you traveled around outside armed all you wanted, or could afford, but when you went into a person's hall you surrendered your arms to the Steward. They did that because it was just too easy for men to have a few pots of ale, start to argue politics and get into fights. I'd suggest Cleveland was just recognizing another aspect of the common law tradition. I'm fine with it even if I do carry concealed into sporting events that strictly prohibit such a thing.

I thought the Secret Service already settled this.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

While there are millions of gun owners in the U.S., a lot of people here are scared to see someone walking around wearing a gun in public. That's Open Carry. I find it less than serious myself unless that's all the government allows. Concealed carry could be the guy sitting next to you on the buss and you'd never know. Less frightened people. Also, criminals look for weak people in the pack just like other predators do. Women tend to be easier to rob, for instance, then big strong dudes. So with concealed carry the predators are never sure who is armed, making them strong, and who isn't armed. With open carry a predators sees a person carrying a gun and goes to find some weak person to rob. So, concealed carry tends to prevent crimes because the predators don't know if Greta has a gun in her purse or strapped to her thigh. Open carry just tends to protect those armed people and helps the predators find weak people.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I never understood what's the difference between concealed carry or open carry? Both means you can still carry arms right? One is visible, and one, keep it out of sight? This is like WTF? Why not just make it all visible? In what situations would you want arms to be out of sight? Especially if the whole purpose of having arms is to prevent people for choosing you as a target.

The only thing I worry about Cleveland is Trump's assassination. I don't think anybody else is in danger but him. He has enough haters.

First, the Trump assassination thing, the only way anyone is going to get to him to do anything is to maybe crash plane into his hotel, or the convention center, but as far as taking a shot at the guy, not a chance. Someone might try a suicide vest, but contrary to what Hollywood would have you think, most explosives have a distinct smell, and with the metal detectors around the entrances, you aint getting one inside.

Now as to why there is a difference between open carry and concealed carry, well Greta, some people get a bit nervous when they see someone ordering a big mac with a pistol on their hip. As for me, the only time I open carry is for "frontier days" and then the rounds are either just powder charges (if I am wearing the '58 remington or '61 colt navy) and have the walker in the saddle holster.

If I have the henry or one of the new army pistols, then they are blanks.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/politics/cleveland-police-baton-rouge-security-open-carry/index.html

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Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily tighten the state's gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

"We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something -- I don't care if it's constitutional or not at this point," Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, told CNN. "They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over."
So-called "open carry" gun laws in Ohio allow for licensed firearm owners to wear their weapons in public. With the exception of a small "secure zone" inside and around the Quicken Loans Arena, residents, delegates and protesters are legally permitted to walk around the city -- including within its 1.7 square mile regulated "event zone" -- with any firearm not explicitly banned by the state.
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
"The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal," he said.
...

Let us also temporarily disable the First and Fourth Amendments while we're at it.
We'll enable them right after this, though.
Promise.

A lot of our right to carry arms actually comes to us through common law from Britain. (Too bad they've whimped out since then). But it was long tradition that while you traveled around outside armed all you wanted, or could afford, but when you went into a person's hall you surrendered your arms to the Steward. They did that because it was just too easy for men to have a few pots of ale, start to argue politics and get into fights. I'd suggest Cleveland was just recognizing another aspect of the common law tradition. I'm fine with it even if I do carry concealed into sporting events that strictly prohibit such a thing.

I thought the Secret Service already settled this.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
While there are millions of gun owners in the U.S., a lot of people here are scared to see someone walking around wearing a gun in public. That's Open Carry. I find it less than serious myself unless that's all the government allows. Concealed carry could be the guy sitting next to you on the buss and you'd never know. Less frightened people. Also, criminals look for weak people in the pack just like other predators do. Women tend to be easier to rob, for instance, then big strong dudes. So with concealed carry the predators are never sure who is armed, making them strong, and who isn't armed. With open carry a predators sees a person carrying a gun and goes to find some weak person to rob. So, concealed carry tends to prevent crimes because the predators don't know if Greta has a gun in her purse or strapped to her thigh. Open carry just tends to protect those armed people and helps the predators find weak people.

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So, concealed carry tends to prevent crimes

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So, concealed carry tends to prevent crimes

Apparently it is just the opposite, it is open carry that seems to prevent violent crime
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/oct/09/matt-gaetz/violent-crime-lower-states-open-carry/

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Tell you what, I have a Colt SAA with a serial number in the low 10,000's which makes its manufacture date 1874. Which, of course is a black powder gun. I shot it once to just say I did. I took me three days to get all of the black powder residue off. I frankly don't know how any of them could have survived and you're welcome to yours.