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Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 3:47:26 AM

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In the USA there exist many states that have somewhat anti employment protection and even human rights legislation whilst pretending to to be part of the worlds self appointed greatest nation Earth Many Americans are exploited and have no union and so can be bullied and hired and fired with little or no redress. 10 days vacation or less is quire common. In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers outside of the Federal and some state pay systems.

Despite the USA being a supposed nation of Immigrants less than 10% of the population possess a US Passport and have never left the Continental USA. For any of you who have lived and worked abroad can you give anyone who may be interested details be they positive or negative about working conditions of service in foreign countries and also about a multinationals varying terms and conditions from country to country?

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 7:04:44 AM

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If you want to know about working conditions in France or Greece, or prevalence of employment opportunities in individual nations I suggest you look them up.

It's pretty lazy of you to demand we do that work for you.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 9:59:44 AM

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Same old idiot with a new account. How many have you created here?

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 10:58:22 AM

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100% fake i would not wipe my arse with your qpion

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 12:35:07 PM

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Speaking of idiots...

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 3:35:31 PM

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quote:

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In the USA there exist many states that have somewhat anti employment protection and even human rights legislation whilst pretending to to be part of the worlds self appointed greatest nation Earth Many Americans are exploited and have no union and so can be bullied and hired and fired with little or no redress. 10 days vacation or less is quire common. In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers outside of the Federal and some state pay systems.

Despite the USA being a supposed nation of Immigrants less than 10% of the population possess a US Passport and have never left the Continental USA. For any of you who have lived and worked abroad can you give anyone who may be interested details be they positive or negative about working conditions of service in foreign countries and also about a multinationals varying terms and conditions from country to country?

Get your facts straight. Approximately 40% of the US population has valid passports.
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/statistics.html
Roughly 125 million have valid passports.
The population of the US is roughly 319 million

I have worked, lived and traveled abroad. Vacation and pay maybe greater in countries like England, Germany but that also pay much higher taxes. And the cost of living there is 1.5X to 2.0X. Every country has their good and bad aspects. The US is not a bad place to work.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/21/2016 4:49:59 PM

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Agreed. I'm a New Zealander working in the States, and there is no way I could have the standard of living I have now in New Zealand.

Besides, if I lived in NZ I wouldn't have met my sweetie.....

There are more things to life than lots of money and great jobs.

and honestly, if you live in the States, you have an infinite number of places to visit in the continental US, that are fabulous. Unless you just really want to go overseas, there is a lot to see at home.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/22/2016 6:59:28 AM

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There are some very obnoxious bastards here I see! I am also not asking any cretin here to do my work for me. I am trying to highlight just how badly paid and atrocious employment conditions Americans have to endure compared to other first world nations.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/22/2016 7:07:55 PM

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So says a chicken using a sock account

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/23/2016 7:42:21 AM

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So says a chicken using a sock account

It sounds like a new type of Stew!

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/23/2016 7:48:48 AM

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ah you made me laugh again

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/23/2016 8:14:20 AM

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The US is not a bad place to work.

I used to think that until I realized what a bubble I've been living in. A few years ago, a friend of mine told me about some working conditions in North Carolina. I didn't believe her. I was certain that there must be some protections and assurances for things like lunch time, sick leave, etc. Turns out, the states that I've worked in have all had these things or the companies I've worked for happened to offer these benefits. Federal law doesn't require lunches or breaks. I find that incomprehensible.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/23/2016 10:28:08 AM

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quote:

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The US is not a bad place to work.

I used to think that until I realized what a bubble I've been living in. A few years ago, a friend of mine told me about some working conditions in North Carolina. I didn't believe her. I was certain that there must be some protections and assurances for things like lunch time, sick leave, etc. Turns out, the states that I've worked in have all had these things or the companies I've worked for happened to offer these benefits. Federal law doesn't require lunches or breaks. I find that incomprehensible.

Labor Laws in the US are mainly defined by each individual state. Things like lunch breaks, sick leave, ect vary by each state. Wage and Overtime is Federally mandated but the states can increase the minimum over the Federal standard.

There is no guarantee of work in the US. Employers are free to hire and fire people as they see fit as long as they do not violate the law. IE you cannot fire a person due to discrimination.

Are there bad employers in the US? Yes there are but there are also bad employers in every country. You want bad working conditions, go work in China, Mexico, Brazil, USSR.

Interestingly Pay in the US is highly dependent upon geographical location. Mainly driven by local cost of living. People working in LA and New York will make much more than a person in the mid west. Along the same lines a house in the mid west can be up to 1/2 less than and equal size house/yard in LA or NY. Welcome to Capitalism.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/24/2016 4:00:39 AM

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In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers

This is a joke, right?

That's partially true about several Euro countries, but equating Germany or Sweden with China and India in discussion of pay and working conditions is about as fatuous as it gets. Tossing Australia in there to try to better the numbers for "Australasia" doesn't cut it, either. In terms of population, Australia would barely make a province in China or India. In China, a factory worker is lucky to make $30 a day. In India, they are lucky if the factory doesn't collapse on their heads.

BTW, Chinese workers get one week's vacation, not sure about India.

"vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers"

Vacation is usually two weeks for even lower paid US workers after 2 years. Four-five weeks vacation and leave is common for mid-level or higher workers in the US after 4-5 years. "Often triple or quadruple"? Even Germany doesn't have 8-20 weeks vacation for workers. Quit being a fool.

Would you happen to have a solution for all this disparity, in any case, other than government mandate? Yeah, I thought not.

Germany has better pay, working conditions, and vacation time because they train the lower skilled workers better than the US does. You never bothered to delve into why this disparity exists, did you? Obviously not.

Things don't happen by magic of idealistic fantasy. You have to actually do something to make it happen. The US is concerned about making everybody get a bachelor's degree in whatever, better if you get an MBA. Otherwise, "sucks to be you." That's not 'capitalism,' that's stupidism. Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland, etc. are capitalist countries, not commies.

I agree that there is room for improvement in the US, and the best way to accomplish that is to model our healthcare and education systems after countries who benefit from better systems in those two things, above all. 'Pardon us' if we don't follow the model in China or India, as you propose.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/24/2016 12:07:10 PM

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To be completely fair, I think Americans really don't get enough vacation time. After I graduated nursing school in New Zealand I went from four weeks vacation to six. This was in the early '80's so it may have changed since then.
I didn't make much money, but didn't have any problem with burnout.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/24/2016 3:24:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Customaid

In the USA there exist many states that have somewhat anti employment protection and even human rights legislation whilst pretending to to be part of the worlds self appointed greatest nation Earth Many Americans are exploited and have no union and so can be bullied and hired and fired with little or no redress. 10 days vacation or less is quire common. In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers outside of the Federal and some state pay systems.

Despite the USA being a supposed nation of Immigrants less than 10% of the population possess a US Passport and have never left the Continental USA. For any of you who have lived and worked abroad can you give anyone who may be interested details be they positive or negative about working conditions of service in foreign countries and also about a multinationals varying terms and conditions from country to country?

"In the USA there exist many states that have somewhat anti employment protection and even human rights legislation whilst (whilst)pretending to to be part of the worlds self appointed greatest nation (on) Earth Many Americans are exploited and have no union and so can be bullied and hired and fired with little or no redress. 10 days vacation or less is quire common. In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers outside of the Federal and some state pay systems.

Despite the USA being a supposed nation of Immigrants less than 10% of the population possess a US Passport and have never left the Continental USA. For any of you who have lived and worked abroad can you give anyone who may be interested details be they positive or negative about working conditions of service in foreign countries and also about a multinationals varying terms and conditions from country to country?

Are you on CRACK?

The U.S. is a fucked up conglomerate....What is NOT fucked up in this universe???

It gets worse every year.

WHO can argue that the U.S. isn't fucking shit up?

Who can argue that....as fucked up as the U.S. is...it ain't MORE fucked up elsewhere?

WHO is gonna save the world from oppression?

Yeah....they're TOTALLY fucked up.

Hmmmm....someone's missing a beat here.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/25/2016 12:59:19 AM

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To be completely fair, I think Americans really don't get enough vacation time.

No we don't, no disagreement. I was just pointing out that the situation is not anywhere near as dire as the OP proposes.

"In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers."

Um, no.

The media in the US has sold this bill of non-goods that you either have to be an entrepreneur, or have a bachelor degree or MBA to have any hope in life. Otherwise, "It sucks to be you," "the poor want to be poor," etc. The Germanic/Nordic countries have no use for fantasy crap like that. They get trained, they get paid, etc. US business schools preach that workers are the enemy. Lower pay is the end-all be-all mantra. If you educate the less skilled workers too much, next thing you know, they want to get paid. Horrendous. German workers go to Spanish beaches for vacation. The Koch brothers and the US media would absolutely scream if such a thing happened here. Meanwhile, Germany makes a bunch of stuff that a lot of people want, everyday.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/26/2016 3:12:57 AM

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In the USA there exist many states that have somewhat anti employment protection and even human rights legislation whilst pretending to to be part of the worlds self appointed greatest nation Earth Many Americans are exploited and have no union and so can be bullied and hired and fired with little or no redress. 10 days vacation or less is quire common. In Europe and Australasia pay and vacation leave is often triple or quadruple most of that offered by the majority of US employers outside of the Federal and some state pay systems.

Despite the USA being a supposed nation of Immigrants less than 10% of the population possess a US Passport and have never left the Continental USA. For any of you who have lived and worked abroad can you give anyone who may be interested details be they positive or negative about working conditions of service in foreign countries and also about a multinationals varying terms and conditions from country to country?

I comprehend what you are saying but many people here are disruptive and argumentative individuals and frequently spout prejudiced nonsense in these boards. Anyone who disagrees with them is labelled a sock puppet and frankly, they have actually contributed to creating several socks on here. The USA is a very advanced nation but sadly it treats its workers badly in comparison to other equally advanced western nations. I have a number of links for people who can then view for themselves the vacation and public holiday allocation of many nations so a true comparison can be made. Yes the USA is better than all none western nations regarding employment but it is certainly one of the worsed in the western world. In addition to quoted figures many individual employers will give more vacation time than stated for the national averages quoted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

http://www.totallyexpat.memberlodge.com/resources/Documents/Mercer_Holidayentitlements_Globalcomparisontable.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/entitlement

http://cepr.net/documents/publications/no-vacation-update-2013-05.pdf

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/lwp/papers/No_Holidays.pdf

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/26/2016 3:35:27 AM

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There are some very obnoxious bastards here I see! I am also not asking any cretin here to do my work for me. I am trying to highlight just how badly paid and atrocious employment conditions Americans have to endure compared to other first world nations.

Sorry dude but people can only work with what you give us. You came in and spewed out a bunch of random bullshit about "many states" without giving any real detail to discuss or links to back up anything you said.

Then you rambled about immigration and passports which don't have anything to do with each other or the first paragraph and as someone has already pointed out was also bullshit.

Then you ask if anyone can come up with actually details (something you failed at) about the working conditions in other countries and when a poster tells you to do your own research, you deny saying it.

Seems to be people were rather nice to you all things considered.

Now if you want to come back with some links and a few details that people can actually discuss, maybe the tone of the thread will change. But I honestly don't see that happening.

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RE: Working Conditions - 7/27/2016 3:56:48 AM

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Yes he did give links!

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