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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/23/2016 3:58:53 PM   
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Who can tell me why this is all bullshit ?



Dude, how is it any more bullshit than the media (& politicians, govt shills, etc) who told people everything (like the real estate market) was good when the US economy was crashing like a lead balloon? That said, I dont think y'all need to worry about said 57 nations plotting to take the US down, yer politicians (they should be called financial terrorists) are doing that now (it will take time for the ramifications to hit, maybe a decade or two).. Obviously you know that yourself as in another thread you said if Trump wins that you were stashing yer cash in Switzerland.. So why care what that publication says? You have November to worry about, its not that far away!

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 1:43:23 AM   
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Who can tell me why this is all bullshit ?



Dude, how is it any more bullshit than the media (& politicians, govt shills, etc) who told people everything (like the real estate market) was good when the US economy was crashing like a lead balloon? That said, I dont think y'all need to worry about said 57 nations plotting to take the US down, yer politicians (they should be called financial terrorists) are doing that now (it will take time for the ramifications to hit, maybe a decade or two).. Obviously you know that yourself as in another thread you said if Trump wins that you were stashing yer cash in Switzerland.. So why care what that publication says? You have November to worry about, its not that far away!

Because from 04 to 07+...things were great. It all came down when the wall street derivatives came down. I heard and read nobody predicting anything like this bullshit.

There might have been a few or less but nothing like the doomsday we see now virtually everywhere in media or online and in almost every form possible. This and others are all bullshit because the dollar isn't going anywhere, they are all too married to it. It may have been a shotgun wedding but divorce is just too painful.

Oh and the Switzerland thing was facetiousness.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 1:51:47 AM   
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Well you are all correct of course (well as for wickeds, Scotland stayed, Britain left, so America come back I guess) but I am thinking what people don't realize is that if all of the financial clairvoyants were correct, it would show up long before anything like a sudden financial Armageddon.



I think you mean: "Scotland stayed, England left".

Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.

A marriage of political convenience, but all three nations are distinct.

When Americans refer to "the Brits", I think you generally mean the English but in the interests of a point of order, "the Brits" are the English, Scottish and Welsh.

Britain is the island that contains 3 different countries; England is the nation that gave you your language and a few other things.

I see no reason why Americans would be that interested in a small island off the North West coast of Europe, but in the event you are going to refer to us then afford us the courtesy of getting it right.

Particularly as the English are your elders and your betters.

I was referring to 'Scotland's' recent vote to stay with/in England.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 3:40:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Way back in the early 1970s the brits voted to go into a trading block called the common market. Since then their corrupt elected politicians have agreed to change the goalposts and elected to transform into first a EEC and then EC and then EU. This benefited the greedy rich and the back hander politicians but not the small business person or worker. Profits Rose to mega levels and owners and executives pay Rose to dizzy heights. Workers pay stayed low and recessions periodically came and went young people back in 1975 are mostly pensioners now and remember when they were better paid and better off with low cost of living. The young know no better and voted for the status quo. Britain has the know how and experience to survive outside the EU. 80% of the world's nations already do. Britain is a rich nation though most citizens are poor. It has a ready made commonwealth of nations market of over 2 billion. That is 4 times that of the EU. There have been 3 devaluings of the pound since 1973 and only one before the UK joined and since the pound became a trading currency. With China and others Britain can trade with 3.5 billion of the world's population. brexit is bad for the corrupt but excellent for working people and small to medium business but a nightmare for the multinationals and the international organized crime banks. The Ulster paddies want in and so do the jocks.the latter will be independent in the future and within a generation. The Irish were bailed out by the British during their fiscal crisis by the brits just has they have since 1922. The brits have Been fortunate in that they have always kicked adversity into touch and produced the majority of the world's best scientists and innovators and explorers.the modern world owes much to those offshore European islands. Geography, meteorology, astronomy, have played their part in shaping the British Isles. Britain's combined nations a miniature empire and EU in themselves forged a rich history unsurpassed by any other in the ancient or modern world. 4 separate and distinct nations each with its own proud history and culture eventually forged into one but retaining yhe separate identities and traditions. The native hauls and the later Scandinavians and germans who formed England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales and the various channel islands and the Isle of Man from prior party kingdoms and before that tribes. Modern Science, Industry, Medicine, Communications and more all invented by various British born people. A West Saxon language called English, a Legal System, the industrial Revolution, Modern Democratic Government, international maritime trade, the list could go on. One in 4 Americans has British Ancestry and one in 6 has Germanic and Scandinavian ancestry.The brits formed 70% of the eorkds nations and half of the world's Armed forces. Brexit is a new awakening of ancient Britannia. Decline brought about by corruption and multinationals will be reversed and mark my words, within a generation Britain without Scotland sadly,will once again sit at the head of the top table as surpass the emerging giants of Brazil, China, India, and such. the USA has had its day and bullied and bribed far and wide.If the right people come forward to lead and not steal then Britannia will once again rule Benevolently and deal with other nations wisely and cooperatively. We are the Pilgrimages Master! A unique and extraordinary people who mostly act modestly and downplay their achievements. Rarely arrogant and mostly modest. Many forget or do not know that the British Isles have one of the very few oldest continuous nations on earth. 80% of the world's nations are less than 150 years old. England and Scotland have been nations since the 800s and Ireland almost as long. Not one of the other Ec nations is older not even France and Spain. A diversity of accents that is unequalled by any other nations local and regional accents. Such diverse physical geography in such small a space. The once richest and most troublesome province in the Roman empire. The ancestor's of today's Scots kept the well trained Legions at bay and pushed them back to present day England. The original invasion of Britannia failed and the Legions had to highball it Back across the channel. 100 years later with the help of some garnish tribes in southern Britain the Romans landed without opposition from AD 73 to 476 AD.the 9th Legion Expana being anilated to a man with no survivors and earlier boudicca defeating individual Legions until her warriors were defeated somewhere in the modern english midland counties. Later brave Scots, Irish and Welsh all celts were invaded by the Anglo Saxons and ruled by them on and off. Eventually intermarriage barred the lines of ethnic identity and people living in any of the constituent nations are a mix of each other and many foreign ethnic origins also. The brits are a Montreal people. A Scotsmen in Edinburgh is just as English as a Englishes in Inverness. There accents alone now define them because their genes are all mixed. All jocks or sassenachs and all sassenachs are jocks.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 3:48:13 AM   
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All these countries on the way out including the US. I don't believe it. China is moving up on US tech when the bottom falls out of China don't say I didn't warn you. They have a lot of problems being hidden and no financial structure except a wad of US dollars which are going to decline when Trump get elected and trade slows.

OK I guess the Trump thing is because I am up too early.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 4:05:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		What did the English/British ever do for the world?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_and_discoveries

What did the Americans of the USA ever do for the world?

http://americaintheworld.typepad.com/briefings/what_america_has_given_the_world/

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 4:15:22 AM   
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Tonight, who do we hurl in the magma chamber filled with irate piranhas (look they are fuking wrapped in tinfoil - no cunting continuity errors in any of my posts…only the ability to drain women of all their orgasm juice for the rest of their life, rendering them useless, spent husks, for all of mankind, for it pleases me enormously – look, yes I bottle it up and sell it on muffin bay for cake dosh and do not laugh as I do not believe i could get a deranged half wit billy goat for you,long gone with the mange.

Now, who voted for what?
You will find Scotland, a magnificent land inhabited by raving loons and wilde haggis, voted to remain and the yellow belly englashits – basically shat themselves and opted out – and the wslesh, nation of dwarves, what have they ever offered the world other than a language more incomprehensible than (Scottish) Gaelic

And we annexed amerparpika 60 millions years ago and I am all for doing it again



What did the Scots do for the world other than fried mars bars and chip butties and spewing up and down Sauchiehall Street Glasgow or Princess Street and the narrow Royal Mile in Edinburgh? You could do both in the same evening they are not too far apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries

They have come a long way since becoming bankrupt after wasting all their money in Panama in the 1700s.

Now for the Taffies. They appear to have done their fair share look you boyo!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_inventors

Then we have those troublesome drunken mad paddies who were somehow never taught in School that they have been independent since 1922 and launched a terrorist war mostly against themselves from 1968 to 1998. to achieve independence and union with Ireland already acquired for none unionists decades before.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=irish+inventions+that+changed+the+world

Then there is the Isle of Man.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=isle+of+man+passport

http://everything-everywhere.com/2011/12/02/8-things-you-might-not-have-known-about-the-isle-of-man/

Then the states or balliwick of Gurnsey.

They also have their own passports independent of the UK
https://www.gov.gg/guernseyandtheworld

Then there is the states or balliwick of Jersey.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-34638877

they to have their own British Islands states of Jersey passport.

No European Union wording on the passport and no British Passport wording on the passport.




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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 4:44:59 AM   
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Hey man, try a little punctuation.

All these countries on the way out including the US. I don't believe it. China is moving up on US tech when the bottom falls out of China don't say I didn't warn you. They have a lot of problems being hidden and no financial structure except a wad of US dollars which are going to decline when Trump get elected and trade slows.

OK I guess the Trump thing is because I am up too early.


Very difficult when on a small Iphone or android with small keyboards and large fingers. There is a tendency for the phones to change words on pressing send. For instance Montreal instead of Mongrel.

The result was close and only 4% more voted to leave than stay but in that 4% were pensioners who had voted to join the common market in the 70s which was not a political union. The Brits have hIstorically ruled others and not let others rule them, save for the time before it existed as a nation and was a roman province. Laws past almost daily not by elected politicians but by faceless highly paid bureaucrats who were appointed and not elected. All influenced by the bribe giving multinational corporations. The brits given the chance will always vote opposite of what any elected government wants. The brits by nature or rebellious bastards and had scores of rebellions and several civil wars long before they became vogue in the USA and France and elsewhere.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 4:58:35 AM   
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Hey man, try a little punctuation.

All these countries on the way out including the US. I don't believe it. China is moving up on US tech when the bottom falls out of China don't say I didn't warn you. They have a lot of problems being hidden and no financial structure except a wad of US dollars which are going to decline when Trump get elected and trade slows.

OK I guess the Trump thing is because I am up too early.
[/quotYou are free to believe whatever you want and frankly, only time alone will determine who is right.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 9:56:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Financial conspiracy theories have been profitable since the advent of the stock market. The idea is to spread fear and influence wide-spread patterns of behaviour to one's advantage.

Part of the stupidity of these things is people's failure to understand that money has no value beyond that which people believe it possesses.

Consequently financial conspiracy theories are stupid because they require you to accept the idea that there are objective realities in the world of finance. Which there are not. Value, solvency and wealth are perceptions, not reality. Consequently, it's in nobody's interest to promote an idea of reality in which the world is broke. Not even the people who are nominal creditors... because the very notion of credit is based upon the financial system itself. If it collapses, they lose everything.

TL;DR - It's bullshit. As long as people believe we're solvent, then we are.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 2:51:39 PM   
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Financial conspiracy theories have been profitable since the advent of the stock market. The idea is to spread fear and influence wide-spread patterns of behaviour to one's advantage.

Part of the stupidity of these things is people's failure to understand that money has no value beyond that which people believe it possesses.

Consequently financial conspiracy theories are stupid because they require you to accept the idea that there are objective realities in the world of finance. Which there are not. Value, solvency and wealth are perceptions, not reality. Consequently, it's in nobody's interest to promote an idea of reality in which the world is broke. Not even the people who are nominal creditors... because the very notion of credit is based upon the financial system itself. If it collapses, they lose everything.

TL;DR - It's bullshit. As long as people believe we're solvent, then we are.


Certain characteristics are continuous for our financial process. Creating the illusion of wealth for ones self and poverty for others allows the manipulation of resources. This is why pocketing wealth while creating a collapse is profitable. You command more resources and man power, not because you made money, but because billions of others are financially crippled. This has always been one of the basics of competition and war. Since the assumption is that accumulation is the goal, conquering a people who willingly submit yields greater resources for the conquerer than a war which consumes commodities and destroys.

These reasons are why bank owners made money continuously before, during and after the Great Recession while the companies they partook in fell to pieces. A 10-1 of investment ratio was one of the biggest causes of the Great Depression. That ratio also dictated the final low for stocks in the 1920s, an unsurprising nine percent and change, just under a 10-1 ratio. Some banks as of a decade ago had greater than a 50-1 ratio What made the sale of mathematically unsound amounts of money possible was the illegal conflict of interests between companies bundling derivatives and the Supposedly "Independent" companies evaluating the derivatives worth.

I do not believe in most financial conspiracies, but the Great Recession was very predictable based upon nearly identical causes of the Great Depression. Bernie was one of the only in congress to vote to prevent the collapse of' 07. I'm very disappointed with the current election cycle

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/27/2016 11:26:14 PM   
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Financial conspiracy theories have been profitable since the advent of the stock market. The idea is to spread fear and influence wide-spread patterns of behaviour to one's advantage.

Part of the stupidity of these things is people's failure to understand that money has no value beyond that which people believe it possesses.

Consequently financial conspiracy theories are stupid because they require you to accept the idea that there are objective realities in the world of finance. Which there are not. Value, solvency and wealth are perceptions, not reality. Consequently, it's in nobody's interest to promote an idea of reality in which the world is broke. Not even the people who are nominal creditors... because the very notion of credit is based upon the financial system itself. If it collapses, they lose everything.

TL;DR - It's bullshit. As long as people believe we're solvent, then we are.

Actually, yes...and no. You are on the right track but veer off-track...in your conclusions. There is an expression in trading which warns that more often than not...'cash is king.' All monetary systems are slowly headed in that direction there basis being...money (not currency) IS debt. Two results of the meltdown was, no paper money to cover other paper (debt) and QE (quantitative easing) where the fed merely electronically took negative capital off the books but without adding positive or 'reserve' capital, hence little or no new lending.

Financial conspiracy theories have abounded since the advent of paper money which has always been a substitute for something else, i.e., a financial derivative the value of which resides in two main factors, the value or enhanced value of the product or service the bearer will receive in exchange and as a store of that value or wealth.

Therefrom several very objective realities are created. The reality of paying for a living and commerce. The potential vacuousness or worthlessness is reliant upon the cessation of that acceptance. For our lifetimes or certainly the foreseeable future, the US dollar among a few others...will be accepted.

All of the conspiracy theories derive their basis on the dollar suffering a calamitous and virtual world wide rejection of it as a commercial and debt exchange vehicle. Yet the current objective reality is, that the world continues to show that for the next 10, 20 or even 30 years...the US dollar will remain [its] exchange currency, a store of wealth and thus...its reserve currency.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/28/2016 3:36:05 AM   
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I was referring to 'Scotland's' recent vote to stay with/in England.


Definitely *with*, Mr R. Never, ever 'in'. Ouch!

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/28/2016 10:57:17 AM   
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Actually, yes...and no. You are on the right track but veer off-track...in your conclusions. There is an expression in trading which warns that more often than not...'cash is king.' All monetary systems are slowly headed in that direction there basis being...money (not currency) IS debt. Two results of the meltdown was, no paper money to cover other paper (debt) and QE (quantitative easing) where the fed merely electronically took negative capital off the books but without adding positive or 'reserve' capital, hence little or no new lending.

Financial conspiracy theories have abounded since the advent of paper money which has always been a substitute for something else, i.e., a financial derivative the value of which resides in two main factors, the value or enhanced value of the product or service the bearer will receive in exchange and as a store of that value or wealth.

Therefrom several very objective realities are created. The reality of paying for a living and commerce. The potential vacuousness or worthlessness is reliant upon the cessation of that acceptance. For our lifetimes or certainly the foreseeable future, the US dollar among a few others...will be accepted.

All of the conspiracy theories derive their basis on the dollar suffering a calamitous and virtual world wide rejection of it as a commercial and debt exchange vehicle. Yet the current objective reality is, that the world continues to show that for the next 10, 20 or even 30 years...the US dollar will remain [its] exchange currency, a store of wealth and thus...its reserve currency.



Ok I spent the time to listen to the video, the only thing I was not aware of is that this is finally coming to a head. Its nothing new, in fact its old and has been forming since its inception. I have talked about it many times in the past. There was a guy called himself hunk who was big on buying gold in preparation, unfortunately I could not convince him that his timing was wrong and he bought it as it topped out.

The banking industry is at the core of all this shit and america isnt being deceived, its why we had 911 in an attempt to stave it off, most likely why this union is taking place, and why gw said we will thank him in the end. No, the assholes in washington should never have allowed the banks to put us in that predicament in the first place.

Thats why the IMF dumped so much gold, to to fix the last banking debacle. Everything you see happening is orchestrated by the banks and their cronies, all the assassinations.

Until people wise the fuck up we will continue to fall into one banking trap after another, and while uprooting ourselves is devastating they only need move their operations to another country.

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RE: U.S. Betrayed: The Real Reason for Brexit - 7/28/2016 1:29:38 PM   
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Certain characteristics are continuous for our financial process. Creating the illusion of wealth for ones self and poverty for others allows the manipulation of resources. This is why pocketing wealth while creating a collapse is profitable. You command more resources and man power, not because you made money, but because billions of others are financially crippled. This has always been one of the basics of competition and war. Since the assumption is that accumulation is the goal, conquering a people who willingly submit yields greater resources for the conquerer than a war which consumes commodities and destroys.


No. Currency is a collective delusion. If a financial system collapses, people abandon currency and move to goods. Sometimes gold, but usually they'll just go back to barter. You can't collapse a system intrinsic to your very notion of wealth. If people no longer believe in the numbers held inside computers, then you'll no longer be able to buy a damn thing. The proposal is asinine and ill-considered.

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I do not believe in most financial conspiracies, but the Great Recession was very predictable based upon nearly identical causes of the Great Depression. Bernie was one of the only in congress to vote to prevent the collapse of' 07. I'm very disappointed with the current election cycle
No. The recession was a product of financial derivatives which did not exist in the early part of the 20th century which caused the creation of an astounding number of exceptionally high-risk mortgages which were repackaged and laundered as AAA by ratings agencies. It's a direct consequence of the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the refusal of the American political class to bring the financial industry to heel.

Hillary Clinton's lack of transparency around her dealings with Goldman-Sachs and others bodes poorly. I expect to see another collapse within the next Presidential term as the financial industry has been allowed to repackage the same old snake oil under new names. The collateralized debt obligations which were directly responsible for the financial collapse are now called "bespoke tranche opportunities" - and the financial industry gets to play out this game again because Trump doesn't give a shit and Hillary is fucking corrupt as they come.


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