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breath control - 12/3/2004 1:40:35 PM

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What are Your thoughts on the subject of breath control. i feel it is one of the most sub things one can do, to allow someone else to control life providing function

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RE: breath control - 12/3/2004 2:19:17 PM

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What about a Dom who tells a sub when to eat? The sub obeys? Is that not controlling ones life? The sub could starve to death?

What about being tied up? Blood clots can form. One can rapidly move to the heart, almost instant death. Is that not controlling ones life?

There are many ways a Dom controls their submissives life. Breath control is not the only one. It is just usually the most highly debated amoung them.

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RE: breath control - 12/3/2004 3:25:33 PM

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Here are some earlier threads on breath play:

choking, breath play...

the thrill of breath play

breath control

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RE: breath control - 12/4/2004 10:41:53 AM

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You ought to read these essays by Jay Wiseman, and also have whomever plays with you read them as well.

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RE: breath control - 12/7/2004 3:41:08 PM

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VERY true and very well said!

Once, while fisting a sub, I had My hand deep inside him. Turning My hand over (fingers downward) I felt a ridge running vertically beneath My fingertips. It was the abdominal aorta! I felt it pulsate under my hand and I knew without doubt that one squeeze would definitely end My sub's life right then, right there!

The sheer *power* of the moment electrified Me! There I was, with a man's very life between My fingers... *shiver* I had to sit very very still as I came in My satin panties!! :D What a rush!

Since then, mere breath control has been rather pale!

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RE: breath control - 2/12/2005 10:32:11 AM

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so by the sound of it most Mistress' are not even compelled by breath control in the least. So where does one who need this form of punishment go to get releif?

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RE: breath control - 2/12/2005 10:55:33 AM

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I enjoy light breath control play, in the form of pinching a sub's nose closed when he is gagged or covering his mouth and nose with my hand. It can also be done with facesitting. I also enjoy gag reflex play, which can be a form of breath control. I do not feel comfortable with strangulation types of play.

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 1:42:48 AM

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While breath control may be a way of giving complete control of your life to a Dominant it is also very dangerous. While I dont engage in breath control or advocate it, I dont hold it against those who do. I simply warn that while being tied can cause blood clots and choosing a subs diet could cause starvation, neither of these will cause a life-threatening situation is less than 10 minutes. This type of play should be done with extreme caution and never in a casual scene. You should also be positive that the Dominant knows the symptoms of asphyxiation and knows CPR.

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 3:58:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: choke me

so by the sound of it most Mistress' are not even compelled by breath control in the least. So where does one who need this form of punishment go to get releif?

Did you bother to go read the Jay Wiesman essays that happypervert provided? Also, think about it.. who are the ones you hear about dying from their kink most often? Gaspers.. especially the auto erotic ones. In my lifetime I know of 3 people who have died from self induced breath play, one of them in my sister's graduating h.s. class. I have a young friend who has a permanent rope burn scar on his neck because he passed out playing this way. He was lucky- the weight of his body was enough to break the wood dowel in the closet and the rope loosened.

Asphyxiophilia is not a safe kink, alone or with a partner. Go google "death erotic asphyxiation." And, btw, knowing CPR won't help in most cases of death by asphyxiation, since it is cardiac arrest that is the major danger, not suffocation. The shock done to the heart this way does not easily respond to even the best CPR. Most police depts have banned the use of a choke hold on people, terming it deadly force.

This is one that is best left in fantasy.

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 4:22:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SecretDomme

I enjoy light breath control play, in the form of pinching a sub's nose closed when he is gagged or covering his mouth and nose with my hand. It can also be done with facesitting. I also enjoy gag reflex play, which can be a form of breath control. I do not feel comfortable with strangulation types of play.

Be well,
Julie

Yes, for those of us that consider breath control a huge turn on, there are safe options. There are a lot of femdoms that enjoy facesitting, but would not consider that "breath control" even though in many cases it is. I get turned on by controlling a man's breathing; I am not going to take the risk of restricting it completely for any length of time. No nooses, no plastic bags, no choking. But there's still so much that can be done with breath control.

Hand over mouth (especially with gloved hands) is a way to feel in control of breathing, even though the sub is not being completely restricted. Hell, I even get turned on telling a partner to "hold his breath until I say stop, and beg me with your eyes when you can't hold it any longer." I can't recall exactly, but I think I got into a debate with one of the big anti-breath-control advocates online that even *that* was unsafe. I had to ask him -- so when we are all kids and play in the pool and see how long we can hold our breath and time it, isn't that the same thing? Well, apparently that's unsafe, too.

By far, roleplaying breath control is the ultimate for me; some people say they can't really get into roleplaying, but I can put my partner in a glass door shower and tell him it's airtight, and I'll be having an orgasm in NO time with some creative acting and passion.

I'll even admit I pretend the penalty boxes at hockey games are airtight; two minutes is the perfect amount of time for breath control. It's no wonder I get so wet at games.

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 4:35:13 PM

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I wasnt advocating breath control or asphyxiation play. I dont engage in it and dont suggest it but if someone is going to do it, the very least they should do is to attempt to have some sort of safeguards in place. Also, cardiac arrest is usually not an issue in asphyxiation unless there is an existing, underlying cardiac condition.

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 6:29:45 PM

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cardiac arrest is usually not an issue in asphyxiation

Yes, it is. Feel free to google "cardiac arrest asphyxiation"

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RE: breath control - 4/18/2005 10:15:10 PM

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While I will always defer to the abundant wisdom of google and the link to Lust magazines article entitled "Erotic Asphyxiation", I usually tend to apply more credence to information provided by medical professionals and medical texts. Through a small amount of research, a person can discover that autoerotic asphyxiation, or the practice of restricting oxygen for the purpose of intensifying sexual gratification, is dangerous. A person will also discover that there is no connection between asphyxia and cardiac arrest. An example of the documentation for this assertion of fact is a paper written by Dr. James Alexander Johnson Ferris, former Chief Forensic Pathologist of the British Columbia Coroners Service, used in his lectures for Pathology students in which he specifies

"The following are general findings in death by asphyxia. Their prominence will vary with individual cases and petechial hemorrhages, in particular, may be completely absent, or extremely rare. It is also important to note that all of the findings in asphyxial deaths may be found, on occasion, in other circumstances.

1. Pulmonary edema, with froth in trachea and bronchi.

2. Bulky, crepitant and over-distended lungs.

3. Right ventricular dilatation.

4. Petechial hemorrhages on the conjunctival and facial tissue, usually above the level of the airway obstruction in strangulation cases."

The assumption will be made that the technical terms are easily define in the most current version of Websters Dictionary.

Further research in a persons local library will allow the discovery of any number of Forensic Pathology texts and case studies in which no indication of cardiac arrest is mentioned understanding that cardiac arrest is the sudden cessation of cardiac function, resulting in loss of circulation as defined by The American Heritage Stedmans Medical Dictionary.

As to the effectiveness of CPR in relation to asphyxia and suffocation, the American Medical Association and the American Red Cross both recommend that a first responders actions when a victim is not breathing is......CPR.

While I am always open to people helping me to increase my knowledge in regards to all aspects of the lifestyle, I prefer a more credible source of information than a spider program linking to a virtual magazine.

When we all post on a type of play which has as much potential danger as breath control does, we owe it to those inexperienced members of the community to provide the most accurate information available so that they can be as informed as possible before they make a potentially deadly choice. I dont want to start a flame war here but it is completely irresponsible to mislead, intentionally or deliberately, those who are asking genuine questions. This situation is a perfect example where learning about a particular type of play from online sources is misleading and potentially harmful.

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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 12:42:34 AM

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I have been Seriously Strangled in real life.
So Breath-Play is a way distant fantasy of mine.
In fact it's a hard limit!

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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 7:25:17 AM

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We are (or at least some of us are) talking about what CAUSES it, not what an autopsy will discover was done to the body as a result of the death. I'm sure you realize the difference. I'm very surprised you choose to dispute a link between asphyxia and cardiac arrest. If none exists, then why is there a medical term, asphyxia cardiac arrest? Here is an interesting abstract relating to it. http://ccforum.com/content/7/6/R139/abstract

And while you poohpoo Google and the relationship between asphyxiation and cardiac arrest, I do tend to trust articles from places like the Journal of Cerebral Blood Flow & Metabolism, The National Library of Medicine, The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Journal of Postgraduate Medicine and many others. It strikes me as odd that you mention lust magazine and discounted the other numerous sources. *shakes head* With all the medical journals available online and listed in the results of the search I gave you, I'm surprised you felt the need to run down google as a research source. Oh, and I especially enjoyed the articles in the National Library of Medicine on the subject. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=10724117 Or are they invalidated because I found them via Google? I'm currently reading abstracts on the subject in the American Society of Anesthesiologists.. but came back to write this as I realized I was getting sucked into acquiring knowledge and would use most of the day if I let myself. I find the experimentation they are doing to minimize the damage done to the brain after asphyxial cardiac arrest fascinating. I do rather feel sorry for the poor animals it is being done upon, but I try to set that aside for the benefits we're gaining from the research.

And while yes, CPR is always given because you don't give up hope on a human life.. it is not very successful in cases of cardiac arrest caused by asphyxia.

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Further research in a persons local library will allow the discovery of any number of Forensic Pathology texts and case studies in which no indication of cardiac arrest is mentioned understanding that cardiac arrest is the sudden cessation of cardiac function, resulting in loss of circulation as defined by The American Heritage Stedmans Medical Dictionary

Um.. so? Where does this fit in? You'll need to explain this further since no one in the entire thread seemed to dispute what cardiac arrest is or causes in the human body.

How about you calm down, take a step back. Your assertion of trying to avoid a flame war was actually an invitation to one. I realize you are new, but those are not acceptable in this forum.

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While I am always open to people helping me to increase my knowledge in regards to all aspects of the lifestyle, I prefer a more credible source of information than a spider program linking to a virtual magazine.

was designed to be especially inflammatory by impugning the value of my knowledge. I still do not understand why you consider online medical journals to be valueless, but I do not. In any case, I'll be more than happy to read whatever hard copy articles you have to substantiate your claim of no relation between asphyxia and cardiac arrest. I would like the name of the journal or publication, its identifying information, such as month/year/volume number and such.

Here is Jay Weisman's article for those who wish to read it. It is a little more approachable than the stuff in the medical journals.
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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 7:50:44 AM

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oh yes, and by the way Jay Wiseman is a retired medical professional..

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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 9:23:11 AM

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I am not going to waste anymore space on the thread having people quote articles which they havent read beyond the abstracts, I will leave it to those interested in understranding the medical aspects of suffocation to research it further. And if you check Jay's bio, you will find that he isn't a retired medical professional, he worked as an ambulance crewmen for 8 years. Once you have acquired some some formal education in forensic pathology, feel free to debate the issue with me.

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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 10:09:56 AM

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I'm sorry to hear you're unable to provide any substantiative retort. And it is your assumption that I read nothing but the abstracts. Abstracts are used to find the articles that are more interesting to read in depth- at least in my case. Perhaps you need to realize that you will be called upon to support your assertions in here. Providing your sources and ways to be cross checked, as I did, is a good idea. Perhaps you will go and read up on them and understand the science behind this phenomena more. From your defensive reactions to this point, I must say I don't hold out much hope.

And again, your research is lacking.. From Jay's bio.. " I was an ambulance crewman for over eight years. I attended medical school for three years, and passed my four-year boards, (then ran out of money). I am a former member of the American Academy of Family Physicians and a former American Heart Association instructor in Advanced Cardiac Life Support. I have an extensive martial arts background that includes a first-degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. My martial arts training included several months of judo that involved both my choking and being choked.

I have been an instructor in first aid, CPR, and various advanced emergency care techniques for over sixteen years. My students have included physicians, nurses, paramedics, police officers, fire fighters, wilderness emergency personnel, martial artists, and large numbers of ordinary citizens. I currently offer both basic and advanced first aid and CPR training to the SM community. "

I guess to you passing his 4th year medical boards and being an ambulance crewman doesn't qualify as medical background.. Kinda the same way the Journals of Medicine on Google don't count? *deep sigh*

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RE: breath control - 4/19/2005 2:51:22 PM

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Okay, I have read the entire thread here and would like to put in my two cents. My husband was formerly in the Coast Guard, he served 7 years and part of his training was to learn safe but effective ways to subdue someone. Where is this going you may ask? When light and I do mean light pressure is put on the ateries running down both sides of the throat, just under the jaw bone, one gets the feeling of having their air restricted. We have done this a few times, myself being on the receiving end of it. At no time was my airway constricted, I could breath just fine through my nose and mouth. It's mainly psychological, though if done incorrectly can cause a person to faint due to lack of blood flow to the brain. We've never taken it that far, I have no desire to pass out or cause anyone that either.
I believe that breath play is like anything else in this lifestyle, you need teachers with experience. How did you learn to wield a single tail? How did you learn about suspension?
I myself am very into edge play and have found that having the wonderful teachers I have had makes me better at what I do. As with anything, safety first. If you don't have a clue as to what you are doing, just don't do it!

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