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Are there any Trump links to Putin?

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No, comrades.

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 2:27:59 AM

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Oh and yet they invade Crimea which is a part of the Ukraine.... Putin is trying to build the old Soviet Union

Wrong.

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 2:32:01 AM

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The BBC put up a good argument in 2014...
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 2:40:30 AM

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Oh wait, he might want to build a union, but he wants willing members, and Crimea is one of them. What's more people do not know is that the Georgian People asked for help.

He learned to not subjugate, it does no good. The people said in Soviet times "they pretend to pay us so we pretend to work" and then they have so many defects it is ridiculous. Someone before Putin even said "It does not work". After the USSR fell apart they changed their tune. Took a little time.

But now, you bitch about Putin wanting WILLING allies while supporting the shit the US did ? If so you have a very poor knowledge of history and world politics. And the economy, they have never had it better. I know people who have been there. If I was young enough to learn Russian I would move there. Go find Snowden and see what kind of porn he has LOL. Not really, I don't look at it anymore. You can't fuck the screen. If you ever can, get the Apple or Linux version because that is is your schwantz in there.

But the facts are in, the propaganda is bullshit, Russia is doing fine. Unlike here where they have to change the economic formulae every so many years to make themselves look good. They actually got real jobs in Russia. Not quite like Germany, but getting there. And actually Germany is losing theirs.

In a few years, the US will not have the economic resources to engage Russia, and in fact I have my doubts that it could right now.

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 2:46:09 AM

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Oh and yet they invade Crimea which is a part of the Ukraine.... Putin is trying to build the old Soviet Union

As I said, Russia and China is the same. China will invade what they can too when opportunity strike, I do not doubt that for abit, that's why China and Russia are BFF, they are exactly the same mentality. Does this mean you don't work with China? Just watch this land dispute going on with China and Philippines now. They are on the verge of war. China has also constantly threatened Taiwan.
As I said, US is already in bed with Saudi Arabia. They are now friends with Iran. Oh please!
In this world, you have to form alliances with your enemies just like US had to work with Russia about Syria too. They had to.
I don't understand the logic of it being okay to be best friends with Saudi who subjugate women versus, Russia who is power hungry and want to rule the world. Same with China.

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 2:46:48 AM

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yeah when you are off the sauce, talk to me, cos strawmen make me turn off at this time in the morning. ANd im not into talking bs either, I offered up links.
You will never find me suporting putin, just like you will never find me supporting a republican.
Like you I grew up in the shadow of the 60s
the claims of right wingers about commies is all of a sudden dead as a doornail.
the putin ring kissing is a very recent joke. (AT=After Trump)
Maybe some people need to look at their posts about putin and communists in the past.

BTW what normal person BT(before Trump) would advise making putin a friend?

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 4:22:50 AM

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"As I said, Russia and China is the same. China will invade what they can too when opportunity strike, I do not doubt that for a bit, that's why China and Russia are BFF, they are exactly the same mentality."

China has not put that much into their military. At least up to recent years when they put up their own independent GPS system, that costs some yuan.

But their infrastructure could be converted to a war machine like the Cadillac plant in Cleveland was commandeered during WW2. It became the Cadillac Tank Plant. I knew people who worked there.

If Russia and China gang up on us, and I mean the west, they would probably win. The last resort would be to have Israel nuke them.

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 7/29/2016 4:48:22 AM

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Full Article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36862749

The email hack
The Democratic convention was supposed to be a seamless show of unity. But a data dump of Democratic National Committee emails has caused chaos in Philadelphia.
The New York Times later reported that "researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies".
According to the Daily Beast: "It's an operation that several US officials now suspect was a deliberate attempt to influence the presidential election in favor of Donald Trump."

Pro-Putin staff
Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chairman, has spent decades as a political adviser in eastern Europe. Mr Manafort worked closely with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, who was ousted from government in 2014 and is a known ally of Vladimir Putin.
According to Josh Marshall, one of the most vocal journalists questioning Mr Trump's Russian ties, his foreign policy advisor Carter Page has "deep and continuing financial and employment ties" to Gazprom, Russia's trillion dollar energy company.

Changes to Republican manifesto
The Republican National Committee shifted their stance on Russia under pressure from Trump staff in the days leading up to the convention in Cleveland last week.
One delegate proposed an amendment calling for the US to provide eastern Ukraine with "lethal defensive weapons" in their ongoing struggle with Russian-backed rebels in the region.
According to the Washington Post, Trump's allies pushed to weaken the statement, committing instead to providing "appropriate assistance".

Financial ties
Mr Trump no longer does business with many US banks. Instead, Marshall argues, Trump "has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia".
That includes "financing from questionable sources in Russia and Kazakhstan," according to a lawsuit uncovered by the New York Times.
Mr Trump himself has said he has "zero investments" in Russia.

Bromance
Putin called Trump "bright" and "very talented". Trump has spoken with admiration on multiple occasions about Putin's political strength.
"What we have is a kind of bromance going on between Vladimir Putin and Trump," Clinton advisor Jon Podesta said on TV when asked about the email hack, noting there was no known connection between the two.
President Barack Obama told NBC he did not know if the hack came from Russia but added: "What I do know is that Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed admiration for Vladmir Putin.
"And I think that Trump's gotten pretty favourable coverage back in Russia."

Well now that sure makes a whole heep of common sense. Maybe Trump can buy Russia and extend the US borders further west beyond Alaska?

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RE: Are there any Trump links to Putin? - 8/2/2016 11:57:24 AM

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yeah when you are off the sauce, talk to me, cos strawmen make me turn off at this time in the morning. ANd im not into talking bs either, I offered up links.
You will never find me suporting putin, just like you will never find me supporting a republican.
Like you I grew up in the shadow of the 60s
the claims of right wingers about commies is all of a sudden dead as a doornail.
the putin ring kissing is a very recent joke. (AT=After Trump)
Maybe some people need to look at their posts about putin and communists in the past.

BTW what normal person BT(before Trump) would advise making putin a friend?

I think Putin and Trump being friends is intelligent. Two powerful crazies...maybe the two of them together will cancel some of the coo coo out and make one really really fine individual. Lol.
What is it they say? Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer. And another saying is crazy like a fox.
Anyway, I think they are both narcissists which is not entirely such a bad thing really. Thing about a healthy narcissist is ( if there is such a thing) takes a damn bomb or more for them to lose any confidence, they believe in theirselves beyond normal. They believe they can do anything and they are the best for the job. Can it be Annoying? Good God yes but these people generally succeed because they are so driven.

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