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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/27/2016 6:22:25 PM   
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I thought that there was nothing secret in those 30,000 emails? So how could this possibly be a national security issue?

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PHILADELPHIA — Democrats prepared to use their convention Wednesday night to raise fresh doubts about Donald Trump’s fitness to serve as commander-in-chief as the Republican presidential candidate called on Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s email server to find “missing” messages and release them to the public.

“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

“They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. It gives me no pause, if they have them, they have them,” Trump added later when asked if his comments were inappropriate. “If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”


The Clinton campaign quickly expressed alarm at Trump’s remarks.

“This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent,” Clinton’s senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan said in a statement, adding later: “This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”

Trump’s comments earned another rebuke from House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.). His spokesman, Brendan Buck, said in a statement that “Russia is a global menace led by a devious thug. [Russian President Vladimir] Putin should stay out of this election.”

On several occasions throughout the GOP primary campaign, Ryan disavowed controversial Trump statements and held out his endorsement for a month after the candidate had locked up the necessary delegates. Once he endorsed Trump, Ryan vowed to speak out if he felt that Trump had crossed a line.

Meanwhile, President Obama, Vice President Biden and the man who wants to succeed him, Sen. Timothy M. Kaine (D-Va.), spent Wednesday morning previewing what they plan to say tonight to tout Clinton’s national security experience.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-national-convention-obama-biden-kaine-set-to-tout-clinton-as-commander-in-chief/2016/07/27/afc57884-53e8-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html



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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/27/2016 6:46:04 PM   
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LOL. Actually, she has a vagina. The cunt is everything that surrounds it. But what the hell do we call that thing, a Crump? Or maybe a Trunt?



You're right, of course. In the case of Hillary Clinton, the "cunt" is the life support system for the vagina.

However, also like in her case: when the belly hangs as low as it does on her (hence: the hideous Oompa-Loompa pants suits), I believe the term is: "Bunt" ("Belly" + "Cunt")



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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/27/2016 6:56:57 PM   
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I believe the term is: "Bunt" ("Belly" + "Cunt")
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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:46:21 AM   
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Trump’s Keeping It a Little Too Real

JULY 27, 2016 5:26 PM EDT

Watching Donald Trump comment on the hack of the Democratic National Committee's computer servers brings to mind the Dave Chappelle show. In a recurring bit called "when keeping it real goes wrong," various people would decide to say what they really felt, only to face disastrous consequences.

Trump was revealing a little too much about himself when he urged the Russian government to hack into Hillary Clinton's servers to find the e-mails that were deleted before the servers were handed over to the FBI.

Michael Hayden, who served as CIA and NSA director under President George W. Bush, did not go lightly on Trump. He said: "If he is talking about the State Department e-mails on her server, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to steal sensitive American government information. If he is talking about the allegedly private e-mails that she destroyed, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to violate the privacy of an individual protected by the Fourth Amendment to the American Constitution."

Those possibilities don’t reflect too well on Trump. Hayden’s assessment? “Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about. Just a theory.”

There is some evidence to support this theory. Last week at the Republican convention, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie attacked Clinton as a “failed strategist who has permitted Russia back in as a major player in the Middle East.”

And yet Trump on Wednesday told reporters that he might consider lifting sanctions on Russia and recognizing Russia's claims to the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Was Trump unaware that his own party planned on critiquing Clinton as an appeaser to Russia?

There are other theories to explain Trump’s comment.

For instance: Is Trump revealing a fondness for one of America's most powerful adversaries? His campaign's top political adviser, Paul Manafort does have ties to allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Another adviser, Carter Page worked for Russia's state oil company, Gazprom.

Or: Was Trump making a dangerous joke?

Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me: “Most likely, Donald Trump was simply making light of Hillary Clinton setting up her own homebrew e-mail server.” He adds: “Now that he is officially a candidate for president, Trump should consider that his public comments will receive much more scrutiny.” And perhaps even be taken seriously. Representative Mike Pompeo, a Republican who serves on the House Intelligence Committee, said: "No presidential candidate should ever encourage Russia or any other nation state actor to steal the private information of American citizens or political parties.” He added however that Clinton "invited a national security disaster by placing classified information in an unsecure setting."

The simplest explanation here would be that Trump's penchant for saying outrageous things -- a trait that served him well during the primary -- is now getting him in trouble in the general election. Because sometimes keeping it real goes wrong

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-27/trump-s-keeping-it-a-little-too-real

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:52:51 AM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 4:12:57 PM   
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Trump is under the assumption that the Russians probably have hacked into Hillary emails and have data. And his just asking them to release them IF they had it.

In no where did he ask Russia to hack her.

Lib media lying again! It just gets so ridiculous.

But end of the day, to me, Russia and China are essentially the same type of country.

They are countries with their own culture you may disagree with, and both countries are not humane, but should work with them, rather than create enemies with them.

I think Trump is on the right path by making Russia an Ally rather than the enemy.

I always feel that the hate for Russia or distrust of Russia is excessive.

I mean, US is already in bed with Saudi Arabia, for gawd's sake! That is worst than Russia and China combined!

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 4:48:05 PM   
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Trump is under the assumption that the Russians probably have hacked into Hillary emails and have data. And his just asking them to release them IF they had it.

In no where did he ask Russia to hack her.

Lib media lying again! It just gets so ridiculous.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.

Spin it however you want. I place more stock in the number of individuals that are in highly placed positions in the government and intelligence arenas that have openly expressed their displeasure with Trump's reckless behavior. There are a handful. Or two. Or three.


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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 6:36:45 PM   
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Especially if that's one of Bill's cigars.


LMFAO!!

First thing I thought, too!!


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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 6:47:00 PM   
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Especially if that's one of Bill's cigars.


LMFAO!!

First thing I thought, too!!


I'm glad I'm not the only perv on this board, lol.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 7:08:27 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:18:37 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.



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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:23:02 PM   
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Trump is under the assumption that the Russians probably have hacked into Hillary emails and have data. And his just asking them to release them IF they had it.

In no where did he ask Russia to hack her.

Lib media lying again! It just gets so ridiculous.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.

Spin it however you want. I place more stock in the number of individuals that are in highly placed positions in the government and intelligence arenas that have openly expressed their displeasure with Trump's reckless behavior. There are a handful. Or two. Or three.




They've already been deleted, which is the problem. If they are able to find them that means they already have them.

And as much as I will probably kill myself if that bitch is elected, this is all a bunch of bullshit. The NSA has every email period. Once elected, Trump should be able to just order the NSA to release the information. However he wants to find dirt on her before the election. Of course, just reveal a few more skeletons in her closet.

If there was nothing sensitive in those emails, why did she delete them ? Another thing is a data recovery service could get them back unless she used a form of "DOD overwrite" software that overwrites the drive so many times that depth multiplexing will not work. Depth multiplexing can recover data from a drive that has been reformatted and reloaded with a new OS and is full of new data.

In other words, if they couldn't recover the data, she did it definitely on purpose and most likely they didn't want to do it. Don't forget this is a democrat administration. They probably don't want to bust one of their own.

Remember, the NSA has a copy of every email you ever sent or received. They did not get that off of your harddrive. It went over the internet, they got it. If you use hotmail for example, and all their harddrives have a hard failure, they don't need them to know all the emails you ever sent or received. Why should this be any different.

If the NSA really can't retrieve these emails and Russia can, they did it in the past. That means they have them on a harddrive somewhere and he asked that they share the information. Why should they have information we do not ?

And they got Snowden. It's hard to tell what other information they have that we do not.

What's more, what could she really tell anyone ? Do you think she emailed the enemies in Bengazi and told them to attack because security was loose ? Do you think she solicited foreign contributions under the table for her impending Presidential campaign ? Do you think she compromised USS undercover agents in other countries ? To what end ? She was probably involved in sending them there in the first place.

Maybe Snowden does have a bunch of her emails, up to a certain date. If that is what Trump is asking for I see nothing wrong with it.

The question remains - why did she delete ? Was she in cahootz with terrorists, like others in government who want to whip up a frenzy against the enemies she helped create ? Did she threaten Merkel to shut the fuck up about the gold ad they'll get it when they get it ? Or did she email the French plotting the new problems in Mali, I mean causing them ? Or sponsoring other false flag terror attacks around the world to justify the government's agenda ?

And where is Anonymous in this whole bag of bullshit ? What do they have to say ? The problem is they might be democrats, and if so whatever they have dies with them.

This is all just another show. This will keep the sheeple occupied while their pocket gets picked again. The question is, who is doing it ad why ? Since it is a democrat administration, I would normally assume the republicans called for the original investigation. Why ? They would have to have some sort of reason. If the actual justice department just did it on their own, what was there reason ?

Why did we ever hear about any of this in the first place ?

Because it is part of the show. Hilarygate. Wednesdays at eight.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:23:37 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make just what he said.

On top of all that if there was nothing harmful in them when she created them (and kept them on a unsecured server) how could finding them now harm national security. After all, if a email isn't harmful it isn't harmful.

You either have to say no harm no foul, or Hiliary should be in jail.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:29:29 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make.

The point is that he is reckless and unthinking and doesn't understand consequences. And there are lots of people who do not see this as a joke.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:31:02 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make just what he said.

On top of all that if there was nothing harmful in them when she created them (and kept them on a unsecured server) how could finding them now harm national security. After all, if a email isn't harmful it isn't harmful.

You either have to say no harm no foul, or Hiliary should be in jail.

He Proclaimed it, just like you proclaim you are a welfare patient, and a factless nutsucker.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:35:15 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make.

The point is that he is reckless and unthinking and doesn't understand consequences. And there are lots of people who do not see this as a joke.

I don't think it is that funny, but it is not nearly as bad as Hillary destroying them to keep from turning them over. He was highlighting Hillary's total lack of concern with national security and some people are trying to pretend that asking someone to turn over proof of her security leaks is worse that her making the secutity leaks.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:38:30 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make just what he said.

On top of all that if there was nothing harmful in them when she created them (and kept them on a unsecured server) how could finding them now harm national security. After all, if a email isn't harmful it isn't harmful.

You either have to say no harm no foul, or Hiliary should be in jail.

What the Russians may or may not have is not the issue. It is Trump's irresponsible behavior. Behavior that has been called out by top Republicans, and individuals in the intelligence community.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:40:20 PM   
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“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.

"Able to find", in terms of English sentence structure sounds about right.

If he said, "Were Able to found", that's not right English is it?

I mean, that's exactly the way I would word it, like if I knew for sure you have hacked into someone, I'd say to you, "I hope you are able to find these emails for me on that person", because I know you have them, and I would still say "are able to find".

Able to find, doesn't mean "go hack her emails". To me, it still means check their own data, that they have hacked, to see if they got copies of 30k emails.
After all when did Russia hacking begin? It could be before Hillary even deleted her emails. Also hacking probably happens silently.
Anyway even if Russia has them, they won't admit it, and would just hang on to it quietly.




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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:44:20 PM   
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Lordy. What a weird world we live in, if the man at the head of the campaign to 'make America great again' turns out to be a traitor to America. Just madness.

If you paid attention he did not encourage them to hack Clinton, he encouraged them to release what they already had and which Hillary has assured us was nothing important.


“Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

Not "found", as in past tense. "are able to find", as in present, ongoing tense.




And it was a joke.

If they were destroyed it would be too late to find them wouldn't it?
Not only that it cound mean dig them back up from where you have stored them.

Besides, what difference, at this point, does it make just what he said.

On top of all that if there was nothing harmful in them when she created them (and kept them on a unsecured server) how could finding them now harm national security. After all, if a email isn't harmful it isn't harmful.

You either have to say no harm no foul, or Hiliary should be in jail.

What the Russians may or may not have is not the issue. It is Trump's irresponsible behavior. Behavior that has been called out by top Republicans, and individuals in the intelligence community.

What the Russians may or may not have isn't the issue.
What Hillary leaked isn't the issue.
What people who take orders from Obama say is important.
What neverTrumpers say is important.
If you can't be offended by what Hillary did it is petty to be offended by what Trump did.

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RE: Donald Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary - 7/28/2016 8:50:25 PM   
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Spin it however you want. I place more stock in the number of individuals that are in highly placed positions in the government and intelligence arenas that have openly expressed their displeasure with Trump's reckless behavior. There are a handful. Or two. Or three.


That's only because many both Reps and Dems, think Russia is an enemy.
But Trump does not see them as an enemy.

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