RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False?

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Termyn8or -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 5:39:09 AM)
RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? Brings to mind their non-existent math skills again. Slavery was a losing game. Not only did you have to indoctrinate them to get them to work, you had to house them, feed them and provide medical care. They cost as much as some houses. Some were belligerent and had to be watched all the time. For the money you got out of the cotton they picked, you got fucked. Hire a White Man to do the work and send him away with his pay, much cheaper. His house and kids are his problem, not yours. If he gets sick, so what. If your slave gets sick you have to get him doctored to protect your investment. The only time you get ahead is when they have kids and those kids are automatically slaves, and how the fuck that happened under the law is beyond me. They got by with it somehow though. Because you are the offspring of a slave you are a slave ? That is hard to justify even with the laws of the time. Typical of democrats I guess, don't know math. you got Joe over here looking for work, who will work willingly and cheap for you, or you got Kunta Kinte who you have to whip for months to say his name is Toby. You got time for that ? The next time you eat soe corn or put ethanol laced gasoline in your car remember that the Monsanto family was one of the biggest slave holders in this country back then. I don't see them paying any reparations, or doing a goddamn thing for Blacks. T^T

vincentML -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 6:04:18 AM)
quote: Funny the black college I went to said it was the 10th. Yes it was an outrage. If you think the only massacre of Indians was Sands Creek you are sadly mistaken. After they beat the 10th Texas Cavalry in Texas they headed back east. The 10th Texas went after them for revenge. In route the (what our history professor claimed was the 10th) went through a relatively small Cheeroke village and massacred the indians who were home. You don't know about it because no action was taken against them by our government. You do know that for some reason the Cheeroke men joined with the 10th Texas to hunt them down, well that is the reason. The massacre at pillow was begun by the indians out of revenge. OMG, you are pathetically confused. Now you claim it was the Tenth Texas not the Tenth US Regiment and that Ft Pillow was a revenge attack by some Cherokee Indians, not an attack by Gen. NB Forest. All told to you by your history professor. One of you must have been drunk and the other delusional. The shit you write is embarrassing. vML

Wayward5oul -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 9:11:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Of course with the left, because they would be less likely to care about her not being a U S citizen. So I'll rephrase. Greta, if you were a U.S. citizen of Chinese heritage, and you wanted to be a congressional intern in 2016, who do you think you would have a better shot with-the right or the left? I have no ambition of being a congressional intern in the US, but I have a feeling, these days, republicans might be more welcoming towards minorities to show diversity in their party too. They love the black republicans. Did you even look at the link I posted? NM, you'll just find a way to explain away the absurdly disproportionate representations to fit your narrative.

Lucylastic -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 9:41:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Of course with the left, because they would be less likely to care about her not being a U S citizen. So I'll rephrase. Greta, if you were a U.S. citizen of Chinese heritage, and you wanted to be a congressional intern in 2016, who do you think you would have a better shot with-the right or the left? I have no ambition of being a congressional intern in the US, but I have a feeling, these days, republicans might be more welcoming towards minorities to show diversity in their party too. They love the black republicans. Did you even look at the link I posted? NM, you'll just find a way to explain away the absurdly disproportionate representations to fit your narrative. LOL I cant wait!

Lucylastic -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 10:10:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I know you have libertarian views and are a Gorean, so thats all good,[:D] have you decided on Stein? over Johnson? what makes you lean more green if you dont mind me askin.... Im genuinely interested. I dont seem to be able to take a liking to Stein herself, but maybe Im missing something...beyond the platform. Ive been used to multi parties all my life and often voted for smaller ones, Im just wondering what the difference is in your eye I do not have Libertarian views -- I think they have nice sounding but totally impractical and unrealistic ideas. I'm 98% in agreement with the Greens platform. Music, I apologise, that was a dumb mistake on my behalf.

Awareness -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 10:57:16 AM)
The probability of a discussion in this forum being completely fucking useless commences at .9 with the initial posting and then advances by .1 every time a fucking idiot posts. A good 80% of you are fucking idiots. This means that - barring exceptional circumstances - most discussions here are completely fucking useless by the end of the second page.

WhoreMods -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 11:02:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The probability of a discussion in this forum being completely fucking useless commences at .9 with the initial posting and then advances by .1 every time a fucking idiot posts. A good 80% of you are fucking idiots. This means that - barring exceptional circumstances - most discussions here are completely fucking useless by the end of the second page. So why are you posting on page four of a discussion in here, then? Are you a fucking idiot?

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 12:24:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Funny the black college I went to said it was the 10th. Yes it was an outrage. If you think the only massacre of Indians was Sands Creek you are sadly mistaken. After they beat the 10th Texas Cavalry in Texas they headed back east. The 10th Texas went after them for revenge. In route the (what our history professor claimed was the 10th) went through a relatively small Cheeroke village and massacred the indians who were home. You don't know about it because no action was taken against them by our government. You do know that for some reason the Cheeroke men joined with the 10th Texas to hunt them down, well that is the reason. The massacre at pillow was begun by the indians out of revenge. OMG, you are pathetically confused. Now you claim it was the Tenth Texas not the Tenth US Regiment and that Ft Pillow was a revenge attack by some Cherokee Indians, not an attack by Gen. NB Forest. All told to you by your history professor. One of you must have been drunk and the other delusional. The shit you write is embarrassing. vML It was the 10th Texas vs what my black history professor claimed was the 10th US, why can't you follow something that simple? I said the maasacre WAS BEGUN BY THE CHEEROKE FOR REVENGE I never even implied that the Confederates did not participate. Do you understand the differance between starting something and being the only participants?

vincentML -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 1:58:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Funny the black college I went to said it was the 10th. Yes it was an outrage. If you think the only massacre of Indians was Sands Creek you are sadly mistaken. After they beat the 10th Texas Cavalry in Texas they headed back east. The 10th Texas went after them for revenge. In route the (what our history professor claimed was the 10th) went through a relatively small Cheeroke village and massacred the indians who were home. You don't know about it because no action was taken against them by our government. You do know that for some reason the Cheeroke men joined with the 10th Texas to hunt them down, well that is the reason. The massacre at pillow was begun by the indians out of revenge. OMG, you are pathetically confused. Now you claim it was the Tenth Texas not the Tenth US Regiment and that Ft Pillow was a revenge attack by some Cherokee Indians, not an attack by Gen. NB Forest. All told to you by your history professor. One of you must have been drunk and the other delusional. The shit you write is embarrassing. vML It was the 10th Texas vs what my black history professor claimed was the 10th US, why can't you follow something that simple? I said the maasacre WAS BEGUN BY THE CHEEROKE FOR REVENGE I never even implied that the Confederates did not participate. Do you understand the differance between starting something and being the only participants? Well, Goddamn, you get more confused each time you write. You only mentioned the 10th Texas secondly after i pointed out the 10th US had not yet been formed at the time of the Ft. Pillow obscenity. I don't give a damned about what some unnamed history professor said to you in class fifty years ago. The US Government investigated the massacre of 300 black troops. Read the report and stop embarrassing the South. They won reconstruction but it has been downhill ever since, and you are not helping with your twisted history stories.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 2:14:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The probability of a discussion in this forum being completely fucking useless commences at .9 with the initial posting and then advances by .1 every time a fucking idiot posts. A good 80% of you are fucking idiots. This means that - barring exceptional circumstances - most discussions here are completely fucking useless by the end of the second page. HA HA!! I'm in the 20%!!! Sadly, I'm not fucking, so, I'm just an idiot!!! [:D] Wait. Now I'm sad. The truth... it hurts.... [:(]

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 3:52:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Funny the black college I went to said it was the 10th. Yes it was an outrage. If you think the only massacre of Indians was Sands Creek you are sadly mistaken. After they beat the 10th Texas Cavalry in Texas they headed back east. The 10th Texas went after them for revenge. In route the (what our history professor claimed was the 10th) went through a relatively small Cheeroke village and massacred the indians who were home. You don't know about it because no action was taken against them by our government. You do know that for some reason the Cheeroke men joined with the 10th Texas to hunt them down, well that is the reason. The massacre at pillow was begun by the indians out of revenge. OMG, you are pathetically confused. Now you claim it was the Tenth Texas not the Tenth US Regiment and that Ft Pillow was a revenge attack by some Cherokee Indians, not an attack by Gen. NB Forest. All told to you by your history professor. One of you must have been drunk and the other delusional. The shit you write is embarrassing. vML It was the 10th Texas vs what my black history professor claimed was the 10th US, why can't you follow something that simple? I said the maasacre WAS BEGUN BY THE CHEEROKE FOR REVENGE I never even implied that the Confederates did not participate. Do you understand the differance between starting something and being the only participants? Well, Goddamn, you get more confused each time you write. You only mentioned the 10th Texas secondly after i pointed out the 10th US had not yet been formed at the time of the Ft. Pillow obscenity. I don't give a damned about what some unnamed history professor said to you in class fifty years ago. The US Government investigated the massacre of 300 black troops. Read the report and stop embarrassing the South. They won reconstruction but it has been downhill ever since, and you are not helping with your twisted history stories. They didn't care about what happened to the Indians. They sure weren't going to say that black troops committed and atrocity. 14 years ago, and I will take the word of a person with a PHD from Notre Dame who's area of focus is the black experience over yours any day. The government cared about proving a southern atrocity and talking about what the what ever number you want to give to the black unit did to the Cheeroke to bring it on wouldn't help that. Nobody says that pillow wasn't an atrocity, no matter how many time you pretend that my telling the rest of the story does.

mnottertail -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 4:14:51 PM)
THEY? ?

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 4:21:14 PM)
I must have got totally the wrong end of the stick. I have read a number of times that Forrest's regiment was the 3rd Tennessee and the blacks in Fort Pillow were members of two artillery regiments, one light and one heavy. I admit I haven't a clue what unit the white troops in there belonged to but I vaguely remember reading someplace that they were southerners fighting for the union. I apologise profusely if I am wrong on these facts and will retreat to my library and look them up again later.

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 4:32:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 I must have got totally the wrong end of the stick. I have read a number of times that Forrest's regiment was the 3rd Tennessee and the blacks in Fort Pillow were members of two artillery regiments, one light and one heavy. I admit I haven't a clue what unit the white troops in there belonged to but I vaguely remember reading someplace that they were southerners fighting for the union. I apologise profusely if I am wrong on these facts and will retreat to my library and look them up again later. I have long been confused about the part with the Confederates being the 10th Texas and commanded by Forrest for two reasons. One Forrest was, as you say, from Tn. Two, one of Forrest's claims to fame was that he never lost a battle other than the battle of Selma (Al) right at the end of the War. This side discussion has become a distraction from the basic thread which was Greta trying to find out if (in 1860) the Democrats were pro slave and that the Republicans freed the slaves. Not even Vincent can (I would think) deny that both of these statements are true.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 7:02:58 PM)
The largest slave owner (as in...the number of slaves owned) in the U.S., was a black man. Get over it. It's been over for a long time. Chinese were brought over here in the 1800's to build railroads...deplorable conditions. Barely more than slaves (some actually were). Guess what they did....opened up businesses left and right and today (in their "off" after 16 hours a day hard labor "hours), their children today outpace whites in college scores or every kind. Iranians came over here in droves in the early 80's, opened up a 7-11 or some such, Americans, even after the hostage crisis, gave them latitude to do their job....and within one generation, these families owned 3, 5 and 10 7-11's....and their kids are doctors and lawyers. It's over...has been for well beyond a hundred years....awful stuff...horrible history but, we weren't the first to do it and today there are STILL a dozen or more countries that espouse slavery. There's all kinds of horrible stuff in mankinds past....thankfully most of it has found it's rightful place in history; abolished.....anathema. Perpetuating it only.....perpetuates it.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 7:09:26 PM)
Thanks Bama, I just read it again and yes, his was the 3rd Tenn Cavalry. But basically who owned what some 140 odd years ago, really has little bearing on who owns up to what platform today, surely ? Times change, so do men's minds and beliefs...........obviously some WOMEN'S minds don't.

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 7:44:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix The largest slave owner (as in...the number of slaves owned) in the U.S., was a black man. Get over it. It's been over for a long time. Chinese were brought over here in the 1800's to build railroads...deplorable conditions. Barely more than slaves (some actually were). Guess what they did....opened up businesses left and right and today (in their "off" after 16 hours a day hard labor "hours), their children today outpace whites in college scores or every kind. Iranians came over here in droves in the early 80's, opened up a 7-11 or some such, Americans, even after the hostage crisis, gave them latitude to do their job....and within one generation, these families owned 3, 5 and 10 7-11's....and their kids are doctors and lawyers. It's over...has been for well beyond a hundred years....awful stuff...horrible history but, we weren't the first to do it and today there are STILL a dozen or more countries that espouse slavery. There's all kinds of horrible stuff in mankinds past....thankfully most of it has found it's rightful place in history; abolished.....anathema. Perpetuating it only.....perpetuates it. Yes we have to move on. You would think that after 150 years people could move on, but I guess not.

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 7:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Thanks Bama, I just read it again and yes, his was the 3rd Tenn Cavalry. But basically who owned what some 140 odd years ago, really has little bearing on who owns up to what platform today, surely ? Times change, so do men's minds and beliefs...........obviously some WOMEN'S minds don't. You are correct, what positions some individuals took 150 years ago shouldn't decide how you vote today. But when people perpetuate lies like the Republicans were, at the time pro slavery it needs to be corrected. When we have people who refuse to believe that not all wrong doing in our history was done by one race (if that race were not white those people would be called racists) I feel compelled to set the record straight.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 9:06:40 PM)
Yep, 150 and more years ago, my ancestors were all robbers, rogues, thieves, pirates, mercenaries and ne'er-do-wells ................and now ? Well, I have to admit, I have never tried piracy !!! Seriously though, what I said about my ancestors is/was true ( I still own a pair of very elaborate moccassins stolen from the Iroquois way back then) but people and attitudes change and though I never went that far myself, one of my brothers was a cop, my sister was a charity worker with the Salvoes and since my younger days, I have been a hard worker and fairly upright member of society I think. My ancestors were also titled and landed gentry; an institution I despise, possibly because I believe I know where they got their money and lands and probably their titles. Everything changes

BamaD -> RE: Dems were pro-slavers, Reps ended Slavery, True or False? (7/30/2016 9:12:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Yep, 150 and more years ago, my ancestors were all robbers, rogues, thieves, pirates, mercenaries and ne'er-do-wells ................and now ? Well, I have to admit, I have never tried piracy !!! Seriously though, what I said about my ancestors is/was true ( I still own a pair of very elaborate moccassins stolen from the Iroquois way back then) but people and attitudes change and though I never went that far myself, one of my brothers was a cop, my sister was a charity worker with the Salvoes and since my younger days, I have been a hard worker and fairly upright member of society I think. My ancestors were also titled and landed gentry; an institution I despise, possibly because I believe I know where they got their money and lands and probably their titles. Everything changes Yes it does

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