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jlf1961 -> The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 11:05:11 AM)

Okay, this is a two edged argument:

Texas, as in many other states, has a serious problem in Family and child protective services.

For one thing, either CPS investigators either do not do a good job in follow up on complaints, which has cost the lives of 4 children in Texas alone, or they are so gung ho that they actually ignore the "best interests of family" and work to break up loving, healthy families.

In the case I am most familiar with, my great nephew was removed from the home due to his mother and grandmother testing positive for illegal drugs.

My niece admitted to using narcotics, my sister however, was a different story.

When the case was opened, my sister was placed as primary care giver for my great nephew.

From march of last year through January, my sister never had a dirty drug test.

In January she did, for amphetamines.

She does not touch the stuff. So after a lot of research, including confirmation from a pharmacist, we discovered that a medication she was prescribed will test positive for amphetamines and pot.

We took the information to CPS, who promptly informed us that it did not matter (at least to the case worker.)

So we got an attorney.

It took going to court to even get permission for my sister to even see her grandson, then another five months of jumping through hoops, a drug evaluation, random drug tests to get to a final decision, the case worker recommended non-relative adoption, and the judge basically told her she was full of shit, ordered custody granted to my sister, after my niece admitted that it would be best for the child to be raised by his grandmother, who had basically been raising him all along.

I took it on myself to involve our local state rep, who has been trying to get the system overhauled, who contacted CPS and got information (allegedly the same documents my sis got prior to the hearing) in which my sister was the primary custody goal, which was not in the documents my sister had been given two days prior to the hearing.

So, after this was stated in court (two different statements on what should have been the same document) yet another 'internal investigation" has been started.

Of course the regional director stated that "the child was not indangered" by these actions.


So, I am now helping my sis find a lawyer to file a lawsuit, I have been pestering the hell out of national news media hosts (of course, this is not a glamorous story, so automated 'thank you for contacting' are the norm.)

Yes it is bad when cps fucks up and a kid dies, but it is equally bad for workers to go fucking overboard and break up families for stupid fucking reasons.




WhoreMods -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 11:58:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Of course the regional director stated that "the child was not indangered" by these actions.

They must have much better care homes in Texas than they do over here, then.

Wretched situation, and I'm glad you won. The CPS over there is a State level thing rather than a Federal body, then?




WickedsDesire -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 1:50:44 PM)

Understanding is a three-edged sword, not two,

What is the named person scheme? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35752756

Supreme Court rules against Named Person scheme http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36903513

The weak and vulnerable must always be protected - it can be no other way.




vincentML -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 2:08:58 PM)

I am surprised that jlf made no mention of a guardian ad litem (named person) who stood in on behalf of the child, unless i missed it. Does Texas not provide a guardian at court?




Wayward5oul -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 2:26:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

I am surprised that jlf made no mention of a guardian ad litem (named person) who stood in on behalf of the child, unless i missed it. Does Texas not provide a guardian at court?

Lots of states don't do it automatically. I spent two years in a custody battle before we demanded a guardian be appointed, and even then had to agree to pay expenses just to block objections. If I had known what a difference getting one appointed would make, I would have done it at the beginning. Within a week of getting him on the case, the troubles disappeared. Case was ended less than two months later.

The guardian made ALL the difference and righted a lot of wrongs that I had felt powerless to stop before.





Real0ne -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/30/2016 7:43:43 PM)

my interests run more toward commercial and con law, so family cases are not my high point, but it appears to me that at a minimum you could file for negligence which of course they will pull the nurmenburg card that they are just following procedure and then go for willful, a violation ot the childs right possibly and finally pain and anguish they caused everyone involved, and use the sticky tar baby theory. Make sure you fully understand the statement of purpose for any acts passed and keep excellent records to set it up and remember attorneys are lazy and always try to cut a deal often without your permission.

finally dont shit yourself, this is the way it is in every corner of gubblemint today and getting worse as we speak. They have become like a fucking giant hydra and are choking everyone because everyone has an equal right to be choked.






Awareness -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/31/2016 10:45:46 AM)

When I lived in New Zealand, I worked for the government agency who - amongst many other things - managed this kind of thing and I knew people responsible for communications.

All child protective services organisations suffer the same problem: They cannot win.

If you don't intervene early enough and a child dies, you're incompetent.

If err on the side of caution and the family doesn't like it, you're a family-hating bureaucracy who wants to take children from their families.

Is is literally the most thankless job in the world. Everyone second guesses you and everyone thinks they know better.




Termyn8or -> RE: The Government is going way too far (7/31/2016 12:52:20 PM)

FR

Hold on here, who gets drug tested and why ? Even in Texas which has some funny laws they do not go door to door and make everyone piss in a jar.

I've known people who had to get drug tested to keep their kids but they had been already convicted of dealing or stealing or whatever.

So I suspect someone screwed up and got busted, but the Grandma ? I do not mean this as a put down, but only very smart people should do illegal things. We know how to avoid leaving evidence and if we do get caught we know how to pick a lawyer, or handle court.

Bottom line, there is something in the past that we do not know.

T^T




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