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tweakabelle -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 10:01:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I'd have thought the well documented narcissism and self image as an infallible "winner" would rule out the asshat setting out to lose anything deliberately.

You certainly have a point. However it's hard to reconcile a single-minded determination to be a 'winner' with Trump's tactics and behaviour, all of which seem designed to alienate people making it impossible for him to win the popular vote. Any one serious about winning wouldn't insult just about every minority group going - collectively those groups add up to a majority. They would be going out of their way to win those groups over if they could.

In fact the groups that Trump has insulted add up to a winning majority as Obama proved twice.




Termyn8or -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 6:18:35 PM)

Perhaps.

Running against anyone but Clinton I doubt he would have a snowball's chance in hell. But it is Clinton it appears.

T^T




Marini -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 7:28:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I'd have thought the well documented narcissism and self image as an infallible "winner" would rule out the asshat setting out to lose anything deliberately.

You certainly have a point. However it's hard to reconcile a single-minded determination to be a 'winner' with Trump's tactics and behaviour, all of which seem designed to alienate people making it impossible for him to win the popular vote. Any one serious about winning wouldn't insult just about every minority group going - collectively those groups add up to a majority. They would be going out of their way to win those groups over if they could.

In fact the groups that Trump has insulted add up to a winning majority as Obama proved twice.


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The older you get, many of us realize a lot in life is not black or white.
At one time, I think he DID want to be President, I don't think he wants to be President anymore.

Check this link out.
I have been on this earth a while, I NEVER recall seeing the plethera of "speculation", that anyone running for President, might not want the job.
NYT - Would Donald quit if he wins the election?
The fact that so many think this might be the case, is remarkable.
This is a New York Times article, they are suggesting he might quit, if he wins.
I'm surely not alone here.




DominantWrestler -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 10:38:49 PM)

Donald tapped into the anti-PC, 1950s sentiment. I told a few friends that he would be the nominee in January and I don't remember how long before mentioning it I predicted it. He either figured out how to win, was set up, or both

Generalities made without a thought of being PC and imitating the shock value often used on fox (i.e. Limbaugh) is more attention grabbing than any serious attempt to become president when you have a dozen or more competitors. Megan Kelly is one of those shining gems for conservatives and Fox. She is perhaps the smartest female reporter on Fox and only moderately right compared to some of their other personalities. Trump's confrontation with her during a debate was very possibly intentionally set up to allow him to have a confrontation with a powerful female and establish a particular persona. My real question is, was that Megan Kelly's natural reaction or was she informed beforehand? She is an excellent actress

Bush Jr. and Koch endorsing Trump would do to much harm in the general election to be worth small boosts in a primary he was already going to win. It also emphasizes the outsider angle. I also think his hesitation to denounce the KKK was a nod of the head to mobilize white supremacist voters. The denial after was to allow republicans to argue that Trump is not racist while allowing KKK higher ups to endorse his presidency and spread word that trump supports white supremacists

He is either right wing and shares interest with the rights of the super rich and big business or he threw in with Hillary and they both support giant businesses. Say goodbye to small business. They are both racist lying thieves. I think certain key conservatives started setting up his rise months if not a full half a year or before he officially was the Republican nominee




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 11:13:01 PM)

FR
This interview makes me believe Trump is not doing this to lose. Anyway, Trump Haters should enjoy the interviewer, typical disrespect, sarcasm and condescending attitude towards Trump. Clearly openly showing his disdain for Trump. I mean this is what I love about Trump. He does not run away from getting interviewed by people who hates him! He takes them on and rather respectfully. Hillary..., I can't say the same. She's been running.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6sPngOIKg




DominantWrestler -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/1/2016 11:40:05 PM)

You know nothing Greta

The first video is the end of Donald dodging whether or not women should be punished for abortion. Spoiler warning, he said yes

The second is his by now infamous dodging David Duke and KKK questions

youtube.com/watch?v=h1Jpoecf0xY

youtube.com/watch?v=e9geYl9J_Mc




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 2:16:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
The first video is the end of Donald dodging whether or not women should be punished for abortion. Spoiler warning, he said yes

I have spoken about this many times. You must have miss many comments about this. Trump is pro-choice. He has been pro-choice all his life. He even slipped up by heaping huge praises on Planned Parenthood saying that "Planned Parenthood has done many good things for women", in his Republican Debate by the way! This is not a pro-life dude.

Which is also why he stammers whenever people ask him the pro-life question because his not pro-life but has to lie that his pro-life, as it's a basic republican stance isn't it? And his switch from democrat to republican? Few things he does not believe in. I don't believe his a Christian, but he says he is, I don't believe he is against gay marriage, but he claims he is, I don't believe his pro-life, but he says he is. I also don't believe his against gun control. But he needs NRA. I think there are certain classic republican principles he needs to be okay with to earn his republican voters support. And indeed, it did win them over.
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The second is his by now infamous dodging David Duke and KKK questions
youtube.com/watch?v=e9geYl9J_Mc

He simply said that he doesn't know any of these groups that his talking about, he asked for a list for him to clarify which groups he endorse and which he does not. I thought it was a very fair answer and not dodging. Dodging is like, changing subject to move on, but Trump asked for an entire list of groups, and he said he will come back and tell him, who he supports and who he does not. No avoidance at all. I bet Hillary would never do this. She always change subject and move on.




DominantWrestler -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 5:26:44 AM)

He had tweeted about the KKK and David Duke by name a few years back. Most children in America are taught what the KKK is by middle school at latest

Greta, befofe you respond please look up the KKK. I think an analogy for not knowing the KKK here is like not knowing about Signapore and Malaysian racial tensions where you live. The KKK resulted from the American Civil war and racial tensions after are somewhat akin to the Malaysian and Singapore racial tensions. Get it? We all know how much you like Malaysia and their religion (Islam)




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 5:50:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
Greta, befofe you respond please look up the KKK. I think an analogy for not knowing the KKK here is like not knowing about Signapore and Malaysian racial tensions where you live. The KKK resulted from the American Civil war and racial tensions after are somewhat akin to the Malaysian and Singapore racial tensions. Get it? We all know how much you like Malaysia and their religion (Islam)

Except it seems like David Duke has denounced KKK himself 30 yrs ago and is no longer KKK. So in some ways, this journalist saying David Duke of KKK is false. Maybe Trump wants to verify if David Duke is still KKK before he says anything. Now David Duke is more like a White Lives Matter movement kind of dude.
Personally painting Trump as a white supremacist is so far fetched. He absolutely loves Ben Carson. I will never forget his the only with class at the debate when Ben Carson got confused and didn't walk out when they call his name, while Bush and Ted just walked pass him without a care, while Trump refused to walk out when his name was called, and insist Ben Carson walked out before him first. He stood by Ben Carson helping him get orientated while Ben was was all disorientated. I think his an attack dog to people who attack him but a great loyal friend to those who are his friends.

Ya should see an interview of Dana White of UFC about why he spoke at the convention. Not because he support Republicans, but because Trump has been such a great friend to him when he was down, and helped him out when UFC couldn't find a venue to start out, he needed to return the favour and Trump asked him in a very humble and nice way without putting any pressure on him.

Trump is a simple dude. If you are mean to him, his mean to you. If you are nice to him, his nice to you. His not a turn the other cheek type of person. And I do not believe at all he sees race at all.






Extravagasm -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 7:35:17 AM)

Your instinct is right Marini. You have the facts right. Trump will throw the fight more, if polls gets closer later. We have this (never before) situation: None of his family, when interviewed (including his politically active daughter) none respond to the question of what they will do in/with the White House. That family's lifestyle is completely incompatible with moving into the White House. And they have indicated, absolutely no intention to do so.

But you say you don't understand the rationale. It is complicated, but here it is, fully outlined: The Clintons and the Trumps have been strong friends for many decades. Despite all three shifting verbal stances, they've been mostly Political moderates most of their lives. (Yes including Donald until recently.) Sexually, all three are libertine. And deeply involved with the now prosecuted, Epstein youthful sex services. Their celebrity liability, from this scandal, balances each other, so they mutually keep it out of play. The Clintons joyously attended and celebrated Donald's wedding to Melania, one of Jeffrey Epstein former listed girls. Their bond is such that they can keep deceptive contrivances in trust pacts.

Now add to this, the Clinton dilemma. Leaving the prior Presidency, they were broke and humbled. They began what most former presidents do, a life of public speaking. They were more than angry at a system that had unfairly crippled them, primarily over sex. They responded by reinventing Bill's speaking engagements, as one of the most creative and corrupt, government favor-buying system in history. But this would all end, when Hillary's ability to do the favors, ended upon being no longer Secretary of State. It was intoxicating and they obviously wanted it to continue. But now their 'Clinton Foundation' was a complete media liability to reobtaining the presidency. Unless they also controlled the opposition. By controlling the opposition they could insure that only lessor transgressions like email, lies, and waffling, would be focused on. So they reached a hidden, unholy, monetary arrangement with Donald Trump to be the puppet opposition and keep the Clinton Foundation out of focus.

This is what Nixon was shooting for in Watergate, by manipulating the opposition to weak George McGovern, but the Clintons were the first to actually pull it off without a hitch. In addition to their longtime trust, Trump has made a large contribution (sort of Clinton security deposit) to the Clinton campaign, which he obviously knows will never be returned if he does not do his 'task well'. Looking at Trump is looking in the wrong place. This is just another corruption which the Clinton Foundation is so expert at. There will be huge favors eventually to pay off the Trumps, done non-public.

One more thing. Political pundits have always known, that it is political suicide to run TOO hard and long toward the base in the primaries, such that a candidate is then unable to move toward center in the general election. It was obviously part of the plan, for Trump to do this, so the public would not suspect this suicide. And so no other Republican could get the nomination. Bernie Sanders popped up unexpectedly, but was taken down by the Clinton money and influence. He was the only glitch in their plan so far.

Since Hillary's record is far more a part of the US war machine, than any other other candidate, this coup has almost the effect of a second Kennedy assassination. Considering the benefit it affords the US military industrial complex. We're on the way to war again. Nobody cares what. Also note one Congressional house already approved female draft registration.




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 7:40:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Extravagasm
None of his family, when interviewed (including his politically active daughter) none respond to the question of what they will do in/with the White House. That family's lifestyle is completely incompatible with moving into the White House.

That's because they are full grown kids with their own families and their own homes and do not live with their parents anymore! Why would they have anything to do with the white house or even bother with it?
I don't even know why would anybody ask Ivanka Trump what she gonna do with the white house, like seriously? Trump has said that when he is President, he will be full time running the country, while his 3 kids are gonna take over the business.

The only person who will be in the white house with him is Melania and Baron, his youngest son who is still 10 yrs old I *think*.




Lucylastic -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:08:45 AM)

FR
He is already calling that the election is rigged...straight after the first convention bounce hills got.
It shouldnt be long now before he gets out.....
He' has lied about the kochs(or did he) he has lied about the debates and the timetable, he has more positions than the karma sutra. He refuses to release his taxes.
The hypocrisy is astounding.









Lucylastic -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:13:52 AM)

Desperate Trump Campaign Turns To Congress For Support In Attacks Against Khan FamilyGOP lawmakers have widely condemned his remarks.


U.S. Republican Donald Trump’s presidential campaign appealed to Capitol Hill for support on Monday as his attacks on the Muslim parents of a decorated American soldier killed in Iraq drew sharp rebukes from fellow party members.

Trump’s criticism of Khizr Khan and Ghazala Khan, who took the stage at last week’s Democratic convention, sparked growing concern and dismay from Republican lawmakers responding to the latest Trump outburst to blindside his party colleagues.


Republican Senator John McCain, a former prisoner of war and the most prominent veteran in Congress, along with the commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, joined the chorus of condemnation, reflecting the highly regarded place the military and its veterans hold with many in the United States.

Trump’s dispute with the Khans has dominated the White House campaign in recent days and underlined the uneasy alliance between many leading Republicans and the party’s freewheeling, unorthodox nominee for the Nov. 8 election.

Rob Wasinger, a onetime congressional candidate who has been working for the Trump camp on congressional outreach, sent an email to senior Senate aides saying, “We want to get several member statements out today on this, and would really appreciate your help.”
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Sopan Deb ✔ @SopanDeb
The email that Trump camp sent to Capitol Hill folks to try to drum up support on Khan controversy (via John Nolen)

A similar appeal was made to Republicans in the House of Representatives, according to a senior aide.

Attached to the appeal were talking points lawmakers could use to try to tamp down the controversy growing since last week’s appearance at the Democratic convention by the Khans, the parents of U.S. Army Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed by a bomb in Iraq 12 years ago.

The Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment, and Wasinger refused to comment when contacted by telephone.


Also just coming up Richard Hanna Became the first Repub Congressman to say he will vote for Hillary. Donald Trump “is unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country,” he says.




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:20:18 AM)

I love how wondering if a woman is being oppressed is the equivalent of disrespecting a military man's sacrifice.
Like completely illogical, no logic at all. Ya know, checking if a dead's man mother is oppressed to me, doesn't sound like such a terrible thing at all.




WhoreMods -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:25:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I love how wondering if a woman is being oppressed is the equivalent of disrespecting a military man's sacrifice.

Well, maybe he should have addressed the point that was raised instead of coming out with that sorry line of shite to her statement in the first place, instead of pissing and moaning about the consequences of his doing so?




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:28:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Well, maybe he should have addressed the point that was raised instead of coming out with that sorry line of shite to her statement in the first place, instead of pissing and moaning about the consequences of his doing so?

He did address the point. Did you even read his full response or are you just listening to Left Media spin and angle on the issue who only focus on the part where he wonders if the mom is oppressed by the husband.

Let me quote you his response, incase you miss it! Straight forward and factual.

Captain Khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero, but this is about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR and the weakness of our "leaders" to eradicate it!




WhoreMods -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:31:54 AM)

If he'd stuck to making a response to her point, rather than dragging that into it to make out that she thought she wasn't entitled to her point in the first place, there wouldn't be anything to discuss.
Blather and bleat about leftist spin all you want, but if your boy was willing to open that can of worms in that context, then he should be willing to accept the consequences of doing so.




Greta75 -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:38:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

If he'd stuck to making a response to her point, rather than dragging that into it to make out that she thought she wasn't entitled to her point in the first place, there wouldn't be anything to discuss.
Blather and bleat about leftist spin all you want, but if your boy was willing to open that can of worms in that context, then he should be willing to accept the consequences of doing so.

Actually, it shouldn't even be a can of worms to wonder if a Muslim woman is being oppressed by her husband, when it is a reality and a real situation for many Muslim women out there.

It is a damn good can of worms! I am glad he checked! Good job Trump! And I am glad he rather check and take the heat rather than stay silent on this issue! Female oppression by Islam should be something we start condemning as seriously as we condemn pro-lifers who wants to ban abortion.




Lucylastic -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 8:56:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

If he'd stuck to making a response to her point, rather than dragging that into it to make out that she thought she wasn't entitled to her point in the first place, there wouldn't be anything to discuss.
Blather and bleat about leftist spin all you want, but if your boy was willing to open that can of worms in that context, then he should be willing to accept the consequences of doing so.

Samantha Bee had this to say about Trump, regarding his tantrum over the Khans
"Yet Clinton may still lose to Trump, who Bee described as “the least qualified candidate ever to lurch into the public spotlight and shit on Gold Star moms while cradling Putin’s sweaty sack.”




WhoreMods -> RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win (8/2/2016 11:22:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is a damn good can of worms! I am glad he checked! Good job Trump! And I am glad he rather check and take the heat rather than stay silent on this issue! Female oppression by Islam should be something we start condemning as seriously as we condemn pro-lifers who wants to ban abortion.

Well, when Flump does something about that, rather than calling women who want an abortion murderers, I might have some sympathy for the sorry little cunt trying to dredge moslem misogyny up instead of answering a question that's been raised about moslems who've been assimilated into their country.




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