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Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want to win - 7/31/2016 11:26:07 AM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		I have had this theory for at least for 4-5 months that Donald does not want to win.

Many have speculated that he NEVER expected to get this far, and for WHATEVER reason, now is giving it away.

Donald has a team of bright people that he employees, advisors, family and friends.

Do you really think people have not told him to STFU?

As many people that don't trust or like Hillary, Donald could have won by just "staying on script", "sticking to the talking points", "avoiding commenting on controversial points", saying what he has been taught/instructed to say, and then shutting the fuck up.

I don't believe everything he says is a "mistake" and he really does not know and been told he is throwing his chances away.

Think about it, even if he used to honestly make gaffes, if he WANTED to win, he would stop.

Donald Trump, again for whatever reason, is throwing his chances away.

MSNBC Scarborough -Donald is throwing this election

Miami Herald - Maybe Trump wants to lose

CNN Money- Why Trump wants to lose

The Moderate Voice - Is Trump trying to lose?

Some of you will continue to believe that Trump is unable to stop making these "mistakes" and gaffes.
Despite ALL the bright minds, around him.
lol
I am looking forward to his crazy comments escalating.
Before the election he might say ANYTHING.
Aliens, Martians, Bigfoot, calling psychics, and the matrix
ROFLMAO

This is a man that MAYBE at some point, wanted to win, it's clear-- he no longer wants to win.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 12:14:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly, at this point I'm not sure what to believe. Massive ego trip? Twisted game to see how many lines he can cross?

Maybe, please God, this will all turn out to be a long, particularly surreal episode of Punk'd.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 12:18:29 PM   
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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 12:20:01 PM   
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Honestly, at this point I'm not sure what to believe. Massive ego trip? Twisted game to see how many lines he can cross?

Maybe, please God, this will all turn out to be a long, particularly surreal episode of Punk'd.


There could be dozens, if not hundreds of reasons, Don is throwing this away.
One of the sources I sighted, indicated he is working on Trump t.v. and this level of exposure will increase his brand and expand his businesses.
The reason might come out after the election.
The more I look at him and his business involvement, this man does not want to be President.


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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 12:35:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know, I think he is just narcissistic enough to think he knows better then anyone around him. But, this theory has been around awhile now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/274529-former-super-pac-strategist-trump-didnt-want-to-be-president

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 12:39:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

I don't know, I think he is just narcissistic enough to think he knows better then anyone around him. But, this theory has been around awhile now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/274529-former-super-pac-strategist-trump-didnt-want-to-be-president


It may have been around, but the more I listen to people "reacting" to his rhetoric, {which I almost never have}, I'm thinking some might not have considered, that he might not want to win.

I have not seen any other threads stating, his actions could be deliberate on here.

All I see and usually hear is "I can't believe he said that" ad nauseam.

Just putting it out there , all this could be deliberate.


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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 1:21:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
It may have been around, but the more I listen to people "reacting" to his rhetoric, {which I almost never have}, I'm thinking some might not have considered, that he might not want to win.

I have not seen any other threads stating, his actions could be deliberate on here.

All I see and usually hear is "I can't believe he said that" ad nauseam.

Just putting it out there , all this could be deliberate.



I agree that it hasn't been b brought up on here. I was just pointing out that even people who have been close to his campaign have been saying this for awhile. But no one has taken then seriously, as far as I can tell. Until now. It's certainly worth looking into.

The worst part of it to me is that if this is true, he has singlehandedly turned American politics upside down, and shone a stark light on a very ugly section of society, all on a lark.

Or maybe not the worst part. If some good changes come out of it, great. Course he will say that was his intention all along.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 1:24:36 PM   
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I can't really disagree but why would he spend all that money ? This is a catch 23 here.

We have certain facts in evidence. He was born a rich kid so we know he can afford to be stupid. However I am sure he likes money and doesn't want to just burn it. If he can afford that level of stupidity maybe he does want to be President, and if so, speaking his mind no matter what means he is probably the most honest candidate we have have in quite some time.

Or maybe somewhere along the line he got a good talking to by the people who really run things. Maybe they showed him that "never before seen" footage of the JFK shooting early. Hillary is their boy, he is not.

Years ago I put forth that the republicans do not want to preside over the upcoming collapse of the economy, only to use it to get elected after for the recovery. But they don't get the blame. They should have secretly support6ed Trump and let him take the job in case it did happen and then be able to say something like "Well he wasn't really one of us, but you elected him". But with their other offerings like "Fuck the 47 %" and "100 years in Iraq" it is hard to believe they want to win at all. Hell, the should love Trump.

But there are some extant facts that cannot be ignored. There is quite the ABC crowd, Anyone But Clinton. I mean a contingent of voters who would vote for a fucking horse instead of her. They might not get out in droves to vote for Trump, but it still costs Clinton votes. And this is among democrats. Last poll of which I am aware said 30 % of democrats will not vote for her. Might be a bit hard to win an election with a 30 % loss.

She has issue problems too. She is an Israel firster, she does not deny it. They want Iran attacked and she will probably do it. then Russia gets involved. She thinks we have the best weapons in the world and can take Russia with one hand tied behind her back but like most Women do not understand such things. We have MORE weapons, Russia has BETTER weapons. Better planes, better missiles and almost as many nukes. She does not understand that if you are 220 and 6'8", if I know how to fight well enough at 120 and 5'6" I can kick your ass. She does not seem to realize what a mess Nam was, or even Iraq, or simply doesn't care because her buddies in the "defense" contractor business have her pockets well lined.

Trump, well he doesn't seem to be quite the warmonger, though people think he would start shit ruining his mouth. It is possible, but not all that likely. He might fuck up some trade negotiations real good, but even Russia will not attack us. Then of course he might piss people off and they will ally against us, destroy the petrobuck. There are already people trying to do just that, BRICS for example. But I think both candidates have an equal chance of bolstering their resolve to do so.

I am pretty sure I will sit this one out..

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 6:47:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trump has been known for saying stupid political incorrect things since the beginning of time. Everything he is doing now is consistent with his character since Trump became some sort of celebrity brand. So I don't think his trying to lose.
But he has won primaries by mouthing off and saying alot of political suicide things already. The man goes by his gut. Going by your own gut feel means doing unconventional things.

This Muslim thing will not change his voters vote for him. Because fact is, this Muslim was Killed by the Evil Muslims who are threats to peaceful Muslims and all non-Muslims. So Trump is right. There is a threat and a solution is needed to figure out who is bad and who is good! He made perfect sense on this issue! And the Muslim dude was completely off and wrong that he wouldn't be in the US if for Trump Policies. That is not true as he would have passed the verification process IF he was truly innocent of anything.

In some ways, getting a Muslim to defend Muslims who kill their own flesh and blood, is kinda really....., THEY KILLED YOUR FLESH AND BLOOD! WTF? Stop defending them! And realise your religion is causing alot of problems! Including the death of your son!



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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 7:00:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, we know he is known for saying stupid things.
Question is, wouldn't you STFU, if many people told you it could cost you the election?
If he rather let it all hang out, then win.... there ya go.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 7:05:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Oh, we know he is known for saying stupid things.
Question is, wouldn't you STFU, if many people told you it could cost you the election?
If he rather let it all hang out, then win.... there ya go.

People have told him it would cost him his primary IF he doesn't STFU, and he defied them and won it!

People been rewarding him with votes every time he says something outrageous.

So there is no evidence showing his popularity is tanking for him to back down.

The voters like his unpolished unpolitician-like ways. That is his charm.

Koch brothers, and Bush family refusal to endorse him, wins him even more popularity, as it just proves how anti-establishment he is and not slave anybody's wimps.

His gut tells him, his going the right direction, to get those votes. His gonna piss off his own party establishment in doing so. I mean this man pisses off his own party on top of the opposition! That is amazing. His more like a third party candidate but using Republican platform to win.

IF he wins, he would be the closest thing to a third party winning an election.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 7:19:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
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This is a man that MAYBE at some point, wanted to win, it's clear-- he no longer wants to win.


Although my attire traditionally lacks a tinfoil hat I assumed his candidacy's sole purpose was to ensure a victory for Clinton.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 7:50:38 PM   
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It might be true that he is starting to get an idea of the job. First of all there will always be people trying to kill you, and among them will be the Mossad unless you do what they say. Him getting friendly with Putin has to be pissing them off. And Israel wants Clinton, she has sworn alliance to them. Funny, now that I think of it I have not heard her swear alliance to the US.

We know Putin has no use for the Ashkenazis and supports Iran, which they want attacked to get control of the banks and oil. They have been trying to goad Iran into doing something for decades but the Iranians won't fall for it. That is exactly why the world is against attacking them. And this "they support this" and "they support that", first of all prove it and second of all, so the fuck what ?

It may be that he is starting to realize that this is not a job like renting out apartment buildings and hiring a golf course staff. But now he can't really drop out now can he ? What if he did ? What if he died ?

Remember Ross Perot ? Made a great case in the beginning and was doing well. Then all the sudden went some sort of nuts, supposedly. I think he got a talking to. One of the most rational motherfuckers to run in modern times, actually COULD run a business. Used his own wealth to save his employees from some strife in another country and didn't whine about it. Actually IIRC his company was a pioneer in the development of the ECM in cars which improved mileage and performance greatly. That was fairly useful. (Engine Control Module) It's not like he was selling pet rocks. He said "You make more money selling computer chips than potato chips". And all the sudden he starts blowing it ?

Know what the problem for the real PTB is ? Even if Trump tries to lose he might win because Hillary is Hillary. Smart people do not want a Jew or Jew lover, which is why Leiberman never had a chance. Sanders had a sight chance because his actions tell that he is loyal to the US, socialist or not.

In the last two elections, there were probably a bunch of people who wanted to vote republican but the candidates were so repugnant they stayed home, or maybe even voted for Obama. Now the opposite might happen, which some people simply wanting real change, the promise of which got Obama elected IIRC.

It would really be something if Trump actually changed his mind and got elected anyway. His first speech "A few months ago I changed my mind and decided I did not want to be President, but now that I am...".

Just shoot me.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 7:59:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: Marini
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This is a man that MAYBE at some point, wanted to win, it's clear-- he no longer wants to win.


Although my attire traditionally lacks a tinfoil hat I assumed his candidacy's sole purpose was to ensure a victory for Clinton.



Seriously?
Though it's been suggested.

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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 8:00:41 PM   
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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 8:06:50 PM   
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I don't think he is throwing anything away, his support remains pretty constant no matter what he says or does.


That's what makes it interesting.
Who knows WHAT is really behind him, just offering another point of view.


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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 7/31/2016 8:54:08 PM   
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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 8/1/2016 3:55:50 AM   
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This is a man that MAYBE at some point, wanted to win, it's clear-- he no longer wants to win.

There are a few explanations for Trump's behaviour that seem to fit all the facts.

One is the scenario you suggest - he's deliberately trying to lose. Another is that he is a pathological liar and incapable of moderating his grandiose claims. A third is that he is stark raving bonkers. A fourth is that he is such an ego maniac that he is incapable of taking advice or accepting criticism no matter how constructive it may be. No doubt there are more.

At the moment I am hovering between the second and the fourth explanation though I wouldn't rule either of the others out at all. If we merge them, we arrive at the conclusion that Trump is both an out of control egomaniac and a pathological liar. That doesn't seem at all unrealistic.



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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 8/1/2016 5:41:41 AM   
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RE: Many believe/myself included, Donald does NOT want ... - 8/1/2016 8:21:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

I have had this theory for at least for 4-5 months that Donald does not want to win.

Many have speculated that he NEVER expected to get this far, and for WHATEVER reason, now is giving it away.

Donald has a team of bright people that he employees, advisors, family and friends.

Do you really think people have not told him to STFU?

As many people that don't trust or like Hillary, Donald could have won by just "staying on script", "sticking to the talking points", "avoiding commenting on controversial points", saying what he has been taught/instructed to say, and then shutting the fuck up.

I don't believe everything he says is a "mistake" and he really does not know and been told he is throwing his chances away.

Think about it, even if he used to honestly make gaffes, if he WANTED to win, he would stop.

Donald Trump, again for whatever reason, is throwing his chances away.

MSNBC Scarborough -Donald is throwing this election

Miami Herald - Maybe Trump wants to lose

CNN Money- Why Trump wants to lose

The Moderate Voice - Is Trump trying to lose?

Some of you will continue to believe that Trump is unable to stop making these "mistakes" and gaffes.
Despite ALL the bright minds, around him.
lol
I am looking forward to his crazy comments escalating.
Before the election he might say ANYTHING.
Aliens, Martians, Bigfoot, calling psychics, and the matrix
ROFLMAO

This is a man that MAYBE at some point, wanted to win, it's clear-- he no longer wants to win.



there is no better way known way to bury a politicians criminal record, all of song bird McStains records of traitorism that were once accessible are now buried from prying public eyes at that national archives since he run for el prazzi dante, likewise with gw and their connections to hitler and likewise it will be with billary

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