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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/6/2016 7:30:57 AM   
LilJuly76


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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 2:02:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		To all the poster's here, or should I say poser's. You people just don't get it. It is called free speech and freedom to have a chosen lifestyle. If MY kink should be illegal, SO IS YOURS< and you call ME stupid. Why do you willfully only state the part of the case that tries to make your point. Did you consciously forget the FBI agents were posing as INVESTORS who wanted to invest 20 MILLION in my business? If you don't like me, I don't care. But you better stop pretending to be INTO BDSM if the only things that are OK is what gets YOU off.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 4:28:00 AM   
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To all the poster's here, or should I say poser's. You people just don't get it. It is called free speech and freedom to have a chosen lifestyle. If MY kink should be illegal, SO IS YOURS< and you call ME stupid. Why do you willfully only state the part of the case that tries to make your point. Did you consciously forget the FBI agents were posing as INVESTORS who wanted to invest 20 MILLION in my business? If you don't like me, I don't care. But you better stop pretending to be INTO BDSM if the only things that are OK is what gets YOU off.

Who's stopping you blathering? Of course you have freedom of speech, but so do those who dislike you. They're not required to shut up any more than you are.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 4:39:19 AM   
MsLadySue


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Status: offline 		So if we think what you like is not right, or is of no interest to the rest of us, you consider us posers? The only poser here is you who spouts all this crap about female circumcision and how wonderful your ex slave's sex life is because of what you did to her. Funny how she hasn't come to defend you and tell us how great her sex life is now. Perhaps it's because you're full of crap? Where are the facts, scientific evidence to back up your claims?

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 4:42:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ToddBertrang
If MY kink should be illegal, SO IS YOURS< and you call ME stupid.

So... if my kink happened to be kiddy fiddling or beheading people, should that be allowed just because it's my kink and I should be free to practice it??
How well do you think that would go down amongst people within the community. Huh?
And using your inane logic, if my kink was to hold hands, that should be outlawed??


If you honestly feel it's fine to mutilate people, have at it.
But don't be surprised at the general backlash when you start preaching about it as if were nothing more than kissing or brushing someone's hair.


I don't agree with stef either.
There's quite a big difference between body mods and FGM.
I'm not against body mods but FGM is something quite different.


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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 5:17:13 AM   
LilJuly76


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I'm a BDSM submissive I don't have a kink.

Doing laundry, cooking, shopping, vacuuming for my Dominant would never put him in danger like you do to women!

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 5:21:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ToddBertrang
Did you consciously forget the FBI agents were posing as INVESTORS who wanted to invest 20 MILLION in my business?

So I guess this is the excuse for saying you'll consider to them about performing circumcision on minors?

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 6:31:47 AM   
kiwisub22


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Status: offline 		If doing FGM is your kink, I would think it would be a diminishing returns sort of kink, because the more you did the less there would be as potential to your kink. Sooner or later you just wouldn't be able to polish your button any more....

and getting your ears gauged, or your penis split or horns implanted is just a tad different than having nerve tissue removed.... Most body modifications can be reversed. It might cost a bit, and involve a plastic surgeon, but potentially reversible. Nerve tissue on the other hand? Nope, not going to happen.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 10:29:56 AM   
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Did you consciously forget the FBI agents were posing as INVESTORS who wanted to invest 20 MILLION in my business?

And did you consciously forget that you were dumb enough to fall for their sting?

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 11:36:39 AM   
LilJuly76


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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 2:28:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ToddBertrang

To all the poster's here, or should I say poser's. You people just don't get it. It is called free speech and freedom to have a chosen lifestyle. If MY kink should be illegal, SO IS YOURS.


To be completely honest with you, I tend to agree with Stef in that consenting adults should be able to make their own choice about what you're into. What got you in trouble was you were accused of discussing doing something to two females who were not adults (they were fictitious ultimately I know) and took a plea deal that had you serving time in prison. You yourself said you are a registered sex offender, meaning you were convicted of doing something wrong no matter how right you think you are. There is a NIGHT and DAY difference between what you did to your former slave and what got you in trouble.

If you want to throw the freedom of speech card down, you'd better walk the walk. People have just as much right to speak out against laypeople performing surgical procedures like genital mutilation as you do screaming about how no one accepts your kink.

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and you call ME stupid.


Yes, I do actually think you are stupid if you didnt smell LEO trap all over the shit that took you down. Fuck, man...all that was missing was Chris Hansen showing up at your door along with the FBI! So you going down in the blaze you went down in was due to incredible stupidity on your part. If you don't like hearing that, it's not my problem. It's called freedom of speech after all, right?

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Why do you willfully only state the part of the case that tries to make your point. Did you consciously forget the FBI agents were posing as INVESTORS who wanted to invest 20 MILLION in my business?


They also wanted you to mutilate their "8 and 10 year old daughters." In the article YOU linked, the author said you expressed dismay to friends about this. It bothered you enough to be dismayed, but not enough to have reported it? And clearly you didn't seem too dismayed because the article you provided said you told them something about continuing to discuss this with them. And then the $20 million came up. And then the article said YOU said YOU'D think about it.

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If you don't like me, I don't care. But you better stop pretending to be INTO BDSM if the only things that are OK is what gets YOU off.


Oh, but you do care. This whole thread is you crying poor picked on you over people here expressing an opinion that is different from yours.


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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 3:40:11 PM   
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My opinion of him isn't because of his kink, it's because of repeated shitty behavior.



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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 10:19:11 PM   
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I don't agree with stef either.
There's quite a big difference between body mods and FGM.
I'm not against body mods but FGM is something quite different.

If both parties are consenting, no, there isn't. It's just an extreme body mod that you aren't comfortable with.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/7/2016 11:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I don't agree with stef either.
There's quite a big difference between body mods and FGM.
I'm not against body mods but FGM is something quite different.

If both parties are consenting, no, there isn't. It's just an extreme body mod that you aren't comfortable with.

I concur.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 9:43:45 AM   
OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: Danemora



Yes, I do actually think you are stupid if you didnt smell LEO trap all over the shit that took you down. Fuck, man...all that was missing was Chris Hansen showing up at your door along with the FBI! So you going down in the blaze you went down in was due to incredible stupidity on your part. If you don't like hearing that, it's not my problem. It's called freedom of speech after all, right?



This goes right back to what I was saying.

How many of us would have stayed on the line once a child was mentioned? Who would have said, "I'll think about it"? Who wouldn't have reported it to the authorities after hanging up?

How many of us would be at a BDSM club so wasted that someone has to take the whip away from you?

He puts himself into these situations and then blames everyone else.

And....I guess everyone who thinks he's an idiot for doing so, isn't really into BDSM....because ya know...he's such a good judge of situations...


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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 10:17:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: Danemora



Yes, I do actually think you are stupid if you didnt smell LEO trap all over the shit that took you down. Fuck, man...all that was missing was Chris Hansen showing up at your door along with the FBI! So you going down in the blaze you went down in was due to incredible stupidity on your part. If you don't like hearing that, it's not my problem. It's called freedom of speech after all, right?



This goes right back to what I was saying.

How many of us would have stayed on the line once a child was mentioned? Who would have said, "I'll think about it"? Who wouldn't have reported it to the authorities after hanging up?

How many of us would be at a BDSM club so wasted that someone has to take the whip away from you?

He puts himself into these situations and then blames everyone else.

And....I guess everyone who thinks he's an idiot for doing so, isn't really into BDSM....because ya know...he's such a good judge of situations...



I totally agree with you that a sensible, ethical person would have reported anybody seeking to do such a thing to minors...

But playing devil's advocate for a second...

He's not in a profession where he has a mandatory duty to report, and in CA one is not required legally to report crimes (or potential crimes).

As such, when it comes to the sting set up for him, he wasn't actually obligated to report anything.

Should he have done so as a decent human being? Fuck yes.
Was he legally required to do so? Nope.

Which leaves the fact that he was forced into a plea bargain over a crime he did not commit, because the DA knew that in a trial the 'technicality' of him not actually having committed a crime wouldn't matter, because of the shock value of what he did do with Robyn, and because he just has a nasty (as is clear on this thread) personality.

I'm personally rather offended that the government would force jail time and sex offender registration when they couldn't actually prove criminal behavior, just because they find something a citizen does distasteful.
He didn't bite on the sting. Not even when offered 20 million dollars. Which is all that should matter from a legal point of view, considering that legally he didn't have an obligation to report.
We might find it morally reprehensible that he didn't report it, but once we start throwing people in jail just because some people find their -legal- behavior morally reprehensible, we can throw the entire country in jail, because everybody does something which somebody else, somewhere considers morally reprehensible... which is exactly why we have laws to define what is and isn't okay.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 10:57:34 AM   
Danemora


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Status: offline 		It isn't that he didn't report it. It's that he continued to engage in dialogue (according to the article he linked) he himself knew was wrong since the author of that article said he expressed dismay to friends about it. Yet the article said he said he offered to continue discussing this with them. It wasnt one random email the evening before and then BOOM the Feds showed at his door the next morning.

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 11:25:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's also a good example of "You shouldn't piss off the person who holds your fate". He says himself that the Prosecutor absolutely hated him. Having met him and attended events where he was present - I can understand why.

Whether the arrest was correct or not - the reality is that he's here advertising for himself as a Master. But, the fact is that as a "Master" he makes bad decisions and then blames everyone else. (The rules are stupid, the host doesn't like me, they don't like my kink, etc)

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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 11:35:18 AM   
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RE: female circumcision and slavery - 8/8/2016 2:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't put my trust into anyone that self proclaims themselves as a Master. the article and what you told me OsideGirl, wouldn't trust him with a ten foot pole and he's damn lucky no female went to the cops about him yet and as for him bitching that the cops trapped him well geeze if he wanted to discuss it further about cutting children's genitals up then serves him right for getting caught in a trap.

sorry, don't know the dude, but dudes like that pretending to be Dominants or Masters just make me sick.

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