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Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 8:57:02 AM

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This is in my country.

As I said, all ya gotta do is tweet something or post on facebook about your support for ISIS. And that's all that is needed to get in trouble.

Anyway, this dude was arrested and thrown behind bars for "actively spreading radical ideology online and helping to radicalise at least two other Singaporeans"

And his family claims are:

In a statement rebutting the government and media reports about Zulfikar’s arrest, the family said the accusations of Zulfikar supporting ISIS are based on selected Facebook postings in 2013 and 2014, “and almost nothing from 2015 and 2016 where his position on many issues have changed.”

The family claimed that Zulfikar was not an ISIS supporter based on their conversations with him. In addition, “Zulfikar took a different stance” after he read about reports of violence and beheadings by the group in late July 2014.

“He had been against their violent nature and ideology. Anyone who knows him personally would know that he is argumentative but not a violent man, and does not condone violence,” the family said, adding that Zulfikar has never encouraged others to join ISIS.

“To detain him under the ISA for his views, is not fair. To further accuse him of being an extremist and by extension insinuating terrorism and being a sympathiser of terrorist organisations, is stretching the evidence from his FB page postings.

“We fear that the detention of Zulfikar also increases the chances of self-incrimination through ‘confessions’ and ‘admissions’.”

On a widely circulated photo of Zulfikar posing with what some media reports have identified as an ISIS banner, the family dismissed any association with the terrorist group.

Instead, the banner “has been used throughout Islamic history, as the basis of Islamic creed to represent Islam, which states the Shahadah, or professing the recognition of God and the Prophet. The banner in the photo was purchased to show solidarity towards the oppression of the Palestinians.”

The family also denied that Zulfikar was aiming to establish a caliphate system in Singapore.

Zulfikar has always been known to oppose the Singapore Government’s policies, the family acknowledged. But he was merely arguing against the policies in relation to the Malay-Muslim community, they added.

“Zulfikar is a loving family man. His detention is doing irreparable harm to him and his family,” the family said.

I think the worst thing about their claims is the banner is about support of Palestine and not ISIS. Sheesh. And claim that he has stopped supporting ISIS after ISIS beheaded people because he didn't know ISIS was a violent group? I mean WTF does he think ISIS does?

I love how in response to this, our Muslim Minister also warns that, EVEN retweeting someone else's tweet of support for ISIS will get you into trouble, even if you didn't write it but you retweet. Anybody who aids ISIS in spreading their ideology will be hunt down and prosecuted! I love the law and order! This is what we are talking about! It makes me feel safe! And will make Muslims treat ISIS ideology like Pariah, which is the point.

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RE: Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 11:23:46 AM

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If we're assuming that all moslems are daesh supporters, can we also assume that all of the heathen chinee work for some tong or other?

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RE: Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 4:52:28 PM

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If we're assuming that all moslems are daesh supporters, can we also assume that all of the heathen chinee work for some tong or other?

But we do not have unifying book that we follow. You can't be a Muslim unless you follow Islam.

But you can be a Chinese and follow alot of different things, you can be a Chinese and follow Islam.

Not following some "tong" does not equal "Not Chinese".

Not following the Quran equals "Not Muslim".

I want Islam the ideology to be eradicated. So people can stop following the Quran and free themselves from being Muslims.

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RE: Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 9:01:53 PM

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We can't do that, only they can. When they want to change they will. However, bombing their Uncles and babies does not help the process along. The thing yo do is to isolate them. Let them have their ways among themselves. After while they will calm down.

The only other way is to kill them all and the world would not be happy with that. Even when pissed off, most people do not support genocide.

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RE: Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 9:03:58 PM

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We can't do that, only they can. When they want to change they will. However, bombing their Uncles and babies does not help the process along. The thing yo do is to isolate them. Let them have their ways among themselves. After while they will calm down.

The only other way is to kill them all and the world would not be happy with that. Even when pissed off, most people do not support genocide.

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I agree the solution is not bombing them.
The solution is to verbally ostracize them.
Bombing or any violence towards them just strengthen their cause. Obama is very naive saying like oohh ISIS is close to getting defeated in the middle east, blah blah blah, but they have already established thousands of mini cells worldwide, all like ticking time bombs, operating at their own time and own target. So they can kill ISIS in the middle east, it will strengthen all the lone wolves cells worldwide need for vengeance.

But to socially alienate them, if the world unites as one against Islam, is a far more effective consequence, to treat Muslims like we treat Nazis. The beauty about Nazi and Muslims is they can choose to stop being one. It's not something they are born with. They can choose to stop following the ideology. It's just like KKK, KKK is dying because Americans united to ostracise them. It works. It will make an ideology less desirable. And as time goes by, people will slowly stop following.

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RE: Family of detained ISIS supporter defending him - 8/2/2016 9:28:29 PM

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The KKK has been dead for a long time. The people you see dancing around in those robes bear no resemblance to the original KKK nor do they even know if its original intent. The KKK was fored to lynch judges who were making rulings that cost people their farms, or plantations, or businesses, even their homes. This "reconstruction" of which they speak was the biggest transfer of wealth by theft of government to date at the time.

Lynching the Blacks came later as some of them went nuts, well they were pissed off, and the courts let them of for heinous crimes, like rape n shit. You killed the judge who let the criminal loose but the criminal is still on the loose.

Then the bigots came. Just like the political parties which would not turn anyone away, they accepted all. Eventually Whites who had seen these injustices came and became the majority and changed the direction of the Klan. They saw the "Negroes" as the problem. They had no idea that even back then it was really a class war. But then information was scarce, I mean walk ten miles to the library uphill both ways to borrow a book n shit like that. It is not surprising how many mistakes were made, people did not have full information. In fact even today we still don't.

But the KKK changed, the republican party changed from being the ones who freed the slaves, to a bunch of bigots. Now the democrats got the upper hand because not only have minorities to whom the pander are poor and want welfare which they will supply, the republicans have bad leadership and are getting more and more aloof and disconnected from reality. How else would someone like Trump get the nomination ?

But before the big one, and I mean the financial collapse that is going to make gun owners glad they are, there will be groups formed. White groups, Black groups, Hispanic groups, all kinds of them. It would be alot better if we had one group that realizes that this is a class war. Was it a White guy who sent your Black kid to die on foreign soil ? What about Colin Powell ? It simply is not a race thing anymore. We taught them well. And they already had it in them, sold each other and all that. It is not like they had the moral high ground, though the people who bend over backwards like to make it sound as if they did.

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