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NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:31:23 PM   
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If they are stooping to Slut Shaming Melania to take down Trump. They are really the lowest common denominator.



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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:38:26 PM   
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Why didn't "they" hook on to Hillary being Bill's pimp ?

Typical bullshit, just another shot in the air.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:38:31 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?



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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:42:50 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?



Got her out of it didn't he.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:46:48 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?




When did he say that ALL of America's problems were due to porn ?

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 7:57:07 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?



Got her out of it didn't he.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, no, put her in it more like.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 9:13:53 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?

Her main occupation wasn't a "porn model" as you put it. She was a model. Some of the work she accepted included topless shots.

I mean, Kendall Jenner goes on a prestigious runway cat walking with her full breast and nipples on show, completely topless, do you call that porn?

That woman in the music video "blurred lines", is that porn? She was completely naked except a g-string.

Personally, Melania should in response do a Kim Kardesian-style, new nude shoot, and be completely unapologetic about her nudity and celebrate her body. Except the GOP might get a heart attack since their base might be more conservative, especially the fundie christian ones.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/2/2016 9:39:02 PM   
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In this case no. Trump was the one saying how all of America's problems are due to porn.
Yet he married a porn model. Hypocrisy much?

Her main occupation wasn't a "porn model" as you put it. She was a model. Some of the work she accepted included topless shots.

I mean, Kendall Jenner goes on a prestigious runway cat walking with her full breast and nipples on show, completely topless, do you call that porn?

That woman in the music video "blurred lines", is that porn? She was completely naked except a g-string.

Personally, Melania should in response do a Kim Kardesian-style, new nude shoot, and be completely unapologetic about her nudity and celebrate her body. Except the GOP might get a heart attack since their base might be more conservative, especially the fundie christian ones.

A republican model who isn't in a burka is a porn model, a nude Democrat is liberated.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 4:20:19 AM   
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Once again with the partisan bullshit.
I have several pics of Melania when she was Knauss not Trump I have pics going back to the 90s not from recent news outbreaks, Ive seen the nudes, Ive seen the lesbian film clips, I havent seen the NYPost.
I dont have many of her, because she isnt in my "faves" list of porn or nude models.
This is just like claiming hils is a lesbian.
Its shit to throw.
I dont think its funny to slut shame her, I dont think its fine, I dont think what she did makes any difference.
I think she was thrown under the bus for the speech by her husband and his handlers.
She didnt deserve that, she doesnt "deserve" this, but it was bound to be an issue, because politics


The hypocrisy of the republican platform on Porn as being a public health problem and Trumps pledge to crack down on internet porn doesnt suprise me.
Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, is a fine concept,
I applaud their efforts to stop child porn/stalking/predation,

But the hypocrisy of the campaign/platform with an ex model as the (hopeful) first lady is smoke and mirrors

Oh By the way? the NewYork Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Yes, Fox News Owner.
After their treatment of fem hosts by Ailes and others, Its very very sad.



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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 9:18:54 AM   
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The hypocrisy of the republican platform on Porn as being a public health problem and Trumps pledge to crack down on internet porn doesnt suprise me.
Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, is a fine concept,
I applaud their efforts to stop child porn/stalking/predation,




I wanted to reply to this bit about porn being a public health problem. My first reaction to hearing (reading?) that was, "Oh please! You have GOT to be kidding me!"

But an article I read went on to discuss it.

It really has to do with the availability of online porn to children. The big issue is that there is no effective internet filtering for porn sites. And kids of all ages have devices that let them look at all sorts of things on the internet.

To add to this, with the proliferation of free online porn, in order to get traffic, sites (like xHamster) often highlight less well known sexual proclivities. Things like men/women in diapers, group sex, or dressing as dogs can give children an unrealistic view of sex.

In order to ensure that there is no porn, you have to filter so far that the devices become useless for research for things like school papers.

Now, would I call this a "public health problem"? Um. . . No. I think of public health problems as being communicable diseases - Polio, Zika, Hep A, B, and C. Do I worry about my children possibly seeing internet porn at some point? Not really. My bigger concern with internet porn has to do with malware. Can watching too much porn be a problem? Yep. So can playing too many video games, eating too many Fritos, or any other activity that is done to the exclusion of socialization and becoming a well-rounded person.

I am far less worried about discussing some sexual activity that my children may see on the internet than I am about discussing erections and nocturnal emissions with my son. (I did NOT sign up for those conversations when I had children!)

To sum up, I understand the concern. I think we are being a bit ridiculous about it. And this is something for the private sector to solve. A company could make good money with an effective porn filter for internet devices.

TL;DR the porn thing is not about adults seeing porn but about children having easy access to free internet porn.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 9:22:38 AM   
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Why is the media the only thing that the Republicans want to see regulated externally? Is the invisible hand of the market not up controlling it like it is everything else?

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 9:42:39 AM   
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Why is the media the only thing that the Republicans want to see regulated externally? Is the invisible hand of the market not up controlling it like it is everything else?



I have no idea what you are talking about since I specifically said that the private sector could make good money coming up with an effective porn filter.

As for the rest and the pledge thing Trump signed (that I read about AFTER my reply to Lucy) that is about enforcing current law.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 9:50:48 AM   
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The hypocrisy of the republican platform on Porn as being a public health problem and Trumps pledge to crack down on internet porn doesnt suprise me.
Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, is a fine concept,
I applaud their efforts to stop child porn/stalking/predation,




I wanted to reply to this bit about porn being a public health problem. My first reaction to hearing (reading?) that was, "Oh please! You have GOT to be kidding me!"

But an article I read went on to discuss it.

It really has to do with the availability of online porn to children. The big issue is that there is no effective internet filtering for porn sites. And kids of all ages have devices that let them look at all sorts of things on the internet.

To add to this, with the proliferation of free online porn, in order to get traffic, sites (like xHamster) often highlight less well known sexual proclivities. Things like men/women in diapers, group sex, or dressing as dogs can give children an unrealistic view of sex.

In order to ensure that there is no porn, you have to filter so far that the devices become useless for research for things like school papers.

Now, would I call this a "public health problem"? Um. . . No. I think of public health problems as being communicable diseases - Polio, Zika, Hep A, B, and C. Do I worry about my children possibly seeing internet porn at some point? Not really. My bigger concern with internet porn has to do with malware. Can watching too much porn be a problem? Yep. So can playing too many video games, eating too many Fritos, or any other activity that is done to the exclusion of socialization and becoming a well-rounded person.

I am far less worried about discussing some sexual activity that my children may see on the internet than I am about discussing erections and nocturnal emissions with my son. (I did NOT sign up for those conversations when I had children!)

To sum up, I understand the concern. I think we are being a bit ridiculous about it. And this is something for the private sector to solve. A company could make good money with an effective porn filter for internet devices.

TL;DR the porn thing is not about adults seeing porn but about children having easy access to free internet porn.



Not disagreeing with you fundamentally....
This is from the platform
page 40
The internet must not become a safe haven for predators. Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace and pledge our commitment to children’s safety and well-being. We applaud the social networking sites that bar sex offenders from participation. We urge energetic prosecution of child pornography, which is closely linked to human trafficking.

however given recent court cases allowing up skirt photography of women and a Revenge porn law being repealed? as unconstitutional, its not just kids./
http://time.com/4422772/upskirt-photos-harassment/
http://www.vnews.com/state-supreme-court-will-hear-test-of-vermont-revenge-porn-law-3801576

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 10:38:55 AM   
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The hypocrisy of the republican platform on Porn as being a public health problem and Trumps pledge to crack down on internet porn doesnt suprise me.
Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, is a fine concept,
I applaud their efforts to stop child porn/stalking/predation,




I wanted to reply to this bit about porn being a public health problem. My first reaction to hearing (reading?) that was, "Oh please! You have GOT to be kidding me!"

But an article I read went on to discuss it.

It really has to do with the availability of online porn to children. The big issue is that there is no effective internet filtering for porn sites. And kids of all ages have devices that let them look at all sorts of things on the internet.

To add to this, with the proliferation of free online porn, in order to get traffic, sites (like xHamster) often highlight less well known sexual proclivities. Things like men/women in diapers, group sex, or dressing as dogs can give children an unrealistic view of sex.

In order to ensure that there is no porn, you have to filter so far that the devices become useless for research for things like school papers.

Now, would I call this a "public health problem"? Um. . . No. I think of public health problems as being communicable diseases - Polio, Zika, Hep A, B, and C. Do I worry about my children possibly seeing internet porn at some point? Not really. My bigger concern with internet porn has to do with malware. Can watching too much porn be a problem? Yep. So can playing too many video games, eating too many Fritos, or any other activity that is done to the exclusion of socialization and becoming a well-rounded person.

I am far less worried about discussing some sexual activity that my children may see on the internet than I am about discussing erections and nocturnal emissions with my son. (I did NOT sign up for those conversations when I had children!)

To sum up, I understand the concern. I think we are being a bit ridiculous about it. And this is something for the private sector to solve. A company could make good money with an effective porn filter for internet devices.

TL;DR the porn thing is not about adults seeing porn but about children having easy access to free internet porn.



Not disagreeing with you fundamentally....
This is from the platform
page 40
The internet must not become a safe haven for predators. Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace and pledge our commitment to children’s safety and well-being. We applaud the social networking sites that bar sex offenders from participation. We urge energetic prosecution of child pornography, which is closely linked to human trafficking.

however given recent court cases allowing up skirt photography of women and a Revenge porn law being repealed? as unconstitutional, its not just kids./
http://time.com/4422772/upskirt-photos-harassment/
http://www.vnews.com/state-supreme-court-will-hear-test-of-vermont-revenge-porn-law-3801576


I maintain that internet porn is no more a public health menace than Twinkies. In fact, they both effect the same area of the brain. The amygdala, which is good for five things: fight, flight, food, fornicate, and feel good. Just like how not everyone that does cocaine is going to get addicted, not everyone who sees porn is going to become addicted. I am using addicted in the sense that it interferes with the quality of life.

I do believe that the eradication of child predation is an unqualified good. However, I never see any work being done to help people BEFORE they victimize. Where does Barbara Ann or Joe Allen go when they discover they are tillitated by children? With males, at least, we can be pretty draconian for violating that societal taboo. But we do not give them an option to seek help and prevent victimization first.

I also believe that some of the harmful effects with regards to children seeing pornography are directly due to adult reaction. Flying off the handle is going to cause more harm than remaining calm. Like many many things in child rearing.

One other thing, we really do need to revisit our child porn laws because some of it is just stupid. A 14 year old taking a nekkid selfie may need several things, but being charged with child pornography and being put on a sex offender list is not a good use of anyone's time, effort, or money.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 12:12:37 PM   
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Why is the media the only thing that the Republicans want to see regulated externally? Is the invisible hand of the market not up controlling it like it is everything else?



I have no idea what you are talking about since I specifically said that the private sector could make good money coming up with an effective porn filter.

As for the rest and the pledge thing Trump signed (that I read about AFTER my reply to Lucy) that is about enforcing current law.

I'm talking about the fact that people who see regulating the stock market as an abomination or enforcing labour laws that might force mercantilists to pay their staff a living wage seem to be generally in favour of censorship.
I'm talking about the fact that kids looking at porn is constantly trotted out as an excuse to restrict everybody else's freedom to look at porn, rather than an admission that some fuckwits who aren't competent to look after somebody else's goldfish for a weekend have been allowed to breed kids that they aren't up to raising themselves.
I'm sorry, but if your kid is using the internet to look at deviant porn, then that's your responsibility, and if you aren't up to controlling your children's media access, then you have no business raising children in the first place instead of whining that other people aren't doing your job for you. It really is that simple. Your kids are supposed to your problem, not every bastard else's.
Does that clarify the point I had apparently failed to make?

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 1:19:29 PM   
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I thought this was an interesting if biased piece from the "other side" of the story.
Trump Gets Hard Time From Pornographers Over Anti-Obscenity Pledge
Porn titans call Trump the 'ultimate misogynist,' say he should delete his Twitter account if he's so concerned about decency.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-01/trump-gets-hard-time-from-pornographers-over-anti-obscenity-pledge





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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 2:24:15 PM   
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I'm always a bit unconvinced whe I see pornographer trying to pass themself off as a champion of free speech, but it's a fair point, and I note that the gay lad agrees with with me about irresponsible parents using their inability to control their kids as an excuse.

I like the crack about the shite he tweets as well, lthough, really, if Flump was genuinely concerned with decency, he'd stand in the toilet and keep flushing until he was swept round the u bend...

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 4:14:46 PM   
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I am living in a country where porn is banned.
So it has not destroyed my quality of life to live without porn.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/3/2016 7:11:35 PM   
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It really is a cheap shot.

There is nothing wrong with the pictures, and she has nothing to be ashamed of, but the fact is that they were published as a shot at Trump, because no one really wants to think of the First Lady as naked for all to see.

I am sure that lots of people would like to see Melania nude, but in terms of representing the position as First Lady, it would never have been considered if it were anyone but Trump.

And even though I think Trump deserves every shot taken at him, it is unacceptable to try and humiliate someone else just to get at him.

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RE: NY Post Misogyny - 8/4/2016 12:41:05 AM   
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Wait till Kanya runs for President in 2020. Will he win the Dems vote? Haha, his almost like a Black Trump, being very controversial. And his wife has plenty of history with sex tapes, nude spreads etc. But in a way, I totally understand Kim for doing that, because her privacy was violated with her sex video and she was shamed so much. Now she just wants empowerment by willingly putting her own naked pictures online by her own free will, and not be ashamed of it, to take back control of her own body and what she can do it.

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