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Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump's Po... - 8/4/2016 2:44:34 AM   
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These are the Trump quotes Hillary supporters agreed with:

"I see improved relations with Russia from a position of strength only is possible."

"Immigration is a privilege and we should not let anyone into this country who doesn't support our communities, all of our communities!"

"In order to achieve the American Dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages"

"There's nothing I love more than women, but they're really alot different than portrayed, they are far worse than men, far more aggressive, and boy, can they be smart! "

"I like the concept of local education. I want to get rid of Common Core. I think Common Core is a disaster."

"I have never seen a thin person drinking diet coke."

SEE!!!! There is hope for middle ground, Trump has some good policies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzC-l7tovFk
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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:00:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		So remind me again what Flump has said about Putin that suggests that he wants to negotiate with Russia from a position of strength, rather than just lying down and grabbing his ankles whenever Putin snaps his fingers?

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:16:30 AM   
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rather than just lying down and grabbing his ankles whenever Putin snaps his fingers?

You mean, wanting to have a good relationship with Putin involves "grabbing his ankles whenever Putin snaps his fingers?" There is no other way to have a good relationship with Russia and have their co-operation?

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:18:02 AM   
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rather than just lying down and grabbing his ankles whenever Putin snaps his fingers?

You mean, wanting to have a good relationship with Putin involves "grabbing his ankles whenever Putin snaps his fingers?" There is no other way to have a good relationship with Russia and have their co-operation?

Not at present, no. Just ask the Ukranians.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:33:07 AM   
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Not at present, no. Just ask the Ukranians.


From what I understand. People in Crimea majority prefers to be part of Russia. I am questioning why Ukraine refuse to let them go?

It's like Brexit! They voted a referendum. Ukraine just refuse to respect the will of majority in that place!

Same thing as I disapprove of China refusing to let Taiwan and Hong Kong go. Recently, they even banned a poor Hong Kong politician from participating in elections because he is pro-independence. All because they allowed a pro-independence candidate in Taiwan run for election and she won. And they keep threatening her now.

Isn't Ukraine being like China right now about Crimea?

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Constructing a moral equivalence with China does not alter the fact that Russia has forced the Ukraine to abandon Crimea to their military occupation, or Putin's conviction that in terms of international diplomacy, the leader of any other nation is either his bitch or his enemy.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 7:52:40 AM   
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Constructing a moral equivalence with China does not alter the fact that Russia has forced the Ukraine to abandon Crimea to their military occupation, or Putin's conviction that in terms of international diplomacy, the leader of any other nation is either his bitch or his enemy.

Too bad hong kong or taiwan can't start a war with china to fight for their own independence, they will probably lose, I am so annoyed on their behalf, and I feel their frustration, they do not want to be part of China, and don't want China meddling in their business.
If I wanted my little town to be part of Russia, and Ukraine disrespected majority choice, despite a referendum showing what majority wants. Then I believe as a citizen in that little town, I would not see Russia "invasion" as a negative thing.

The world sees it as bad, somehow. But should stay out of this one. As majority of citizens in that place wants Russia. Why are they supporting Ukraine insistent of keeping Crimea instead?

I am not sure the world pick the right side on this one. Just like it would be nice if the world would exert pressure on china to release hong kong and taiwan too. But they won't interfere.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:05:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right. So you feel that the world should pressure China to abandon Hong Kong and Taiwan, but have no problem with Russia keeping the Crimea. Nice double standard you go there.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:07:54 AM   
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Not at present, no. Just ask the Ukranians.


From what I understand. People in Crimea majority prefers to be part of Russia. I am questioning why Ukraine refuse to let them go?

It's like Brexit! They voted a referendum. Ukraine just refuse to respect the will of majority in that place!

Same thing as I disapprove of China refusing to let Taiwan and Hong Kong go. Recently, they even banned a poor Hong Kong politician from participating in elections because he is pro-independence. All because they allowed a pro-independence candidate in Taiwan run for election and she won. And they keep threatening her now.

Isn't Ukraine being like China right now about Crimea?

No, the equivalent would be that the majority of US citizens want to insure Native Americans reservations are absorbed into the United States and Native land done away with.



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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:22:08 AM   
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No, the equivalent would be that the majority of US citizens want to insure Native Americans reservations are absorbed into the United States and Native land done away with.


I think the equivalent of that is IF there is a plot of land, heavily populated by Native Americans, and then one day, Native Americans says, we want to be part of Canada! We don't want our land to belong to USA anymore!

Then if US denies the Native their rights to that, they would be like Ukraine.

And in Crimea case, the history is. It used to be part of Russia, and Russia gifted it to Ukraine. But the people in Crimea identify as Russians and were majority Russians and they simply want to unite back with their home country!

Why is it when gracious countries like Norway can gift a mountain to another country as a birthday present.

And Ukraine cannot respect Crimea's people yearnings to be reunited with their motherland?

Seriously not siding with the right side on this one.



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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:23:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		So there it is, Crimea was heavily infested with Russkies in the 70s, they have taken it over.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:25:01 AM   
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So there it is, Crimea was heavily infested with Russkies in the 70s, they have taken it over.

Crimea was part of Russia for 200 years! Before they were gifted to Ukraine in the 1950's. Crimea IS Russia!

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:27:33 AM   
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Right. So you feel that the world should pressure China to abandon Hong Kong and Taiwan, but have no problem with Russia keeping the Crimea. Nice double standard you go there.

The world should pressure China to let go of hong kong and taiwan like the world should pressure Ukraine to let go of Crimea.

Because Crimea originally belong to Russia. The people in there feels more Russian than Ukrainian. Just like Hong Kong and Taiwan feels zero connection to China. With HK and Taiwan, it's like 100% IF China dares to put it to a vote.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:38:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hong Kong originally belonged to China. The independent attitude there only dates back to its establishment as a pseudo autonomous free trade port allowing the British to trade with China without corrupting the mainland population, and I don't even think all of what's now regarded as Hong Kong was ceded to big Vicky back in 1841.
I take it you're too young to remember all of the tantrums and pissing and moaning when the lease ran out in '97?

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 8:59:16 AM   
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Actually, according to CNN, China is blaming the US For encouraging Taiwan and Hong Kong to fight for their independence.

I have a feeling US just wants to go against anything Russia or China wants! They will never side Russia for Crimea but will side Taiwan and HK against China.

Anyway for HK and Taiwan, this is great!

For poor Crimea. US should pressure Ukraine to have proper negotiations with Russia over proper hand over and welfare of their non-Russian citizens living in there. It doesn't have to be all by force like this! I understand it is a 60-40 thing, so 40% non-Russians prefer to be with Ukraine, but majority should win in any democracy.



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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 9:43:22 AM   
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Actually, according to CNN, China is blaming the US For encouraging Taiwan and Hong Kong to fight for their independence.

I have a feeling US just wants to go against anything Russia or China wants! They will never side Russia for Crimea but will side Taiwan and HK against China.

Anyway for HK and Taiwan, this is great!

For poor Crimea. US should pressure Ukraine to have proper negotiations with Russia over proper hand over and welfare of their non-Russian citizens living in there. It doesn't have to be all by force like this! I understand it is a 60-40 thing, so 40% non-Russians prefer to be with Ukraine, but majority should win in any democracy.


You know that there was no option in the vote to stay with Ukraine on the ballot and that if a personvoted certain ways they didn't count the vote? That's before you count the kgb influence. It was just an excuse for Putin

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 9:44:40 AM   
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I have a feeling US just wants to go against anything Russia or China wants! They will never side Russia for Crimea but will side Taiwan and HK against China.

You are absolutely correct because, absent the Trumpster, American Foreign Relations experts recognize that what China and Russia desire is regional hegemony . . . and maybe more. I heard your PM speak eloquently and affirmatively to that very issue. DT, on the other hand, is dangerously ignorant of real world politics.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 9:49:54 AM   
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You know that there was no option in the vote to stay with Ukraine on the ballot and that if a personvoted certain ways they didn't count the vote? That's before you count the kgb influence. It was just an excuse for Putin

IF it was conducted like this, then the results would be like 100% for going back to Russia.
But it was like 50 something per cent instead. So I am sure it was legit. Makes sense with the 60-40 ratio of russians and non-russians population in crimea.

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I thought I read somewhere their referenum was like 50 something versus 40 something. But according to wikipedia, overwhelming majority voted to go with Russia.

And independent poll done by Germany also yield the same results.

And this was the question in the referendum.


Choice 1: Do you support the reunification of Crimea with Russia with all the rights of the federal subject of the Russian Federation?

Choice 2: Do you support the restoration of the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea in 1992 and the status of the Crimea as part of Ukraine?


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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 10:05:43 AM   
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I have a feeling US just wants to go against anything Russia or China wants! They will never side Russia for Crimea but will side Taiwan and HK against China.

You are absolutely correct because, absent the Trumpster, American Foreign Relations experts recognize that what China and Russia desire is regional hegemony . . . and maybe more. I heard your PM speak eloquently and affirmatively to that very issue. DT, on the other hand, is dangerously ignorant of real world politics.

vML

Weird they're focussing on Hong Kong, then: Putin owns a lot less of the US foreign debt than Jinping does and is a lot safer to take on with his army busy in the Ukraine and Syria.

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RE: Hillary Supporters agree with some of Donald Trump'... - 8/4/2016 10:07:03 AM   
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I heard your PM speak eloquently and affirmatively to that very issue. DT, on the other hand, is dangerously ignorant of real world politics.

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My PM like Trump was a spoilt rich kid, raised by a Multi-Millionaire, his father, who was our Founder. When he was much younger, he was very hated, as he was very arrogant and abused his authority and his status as the PM son alot. Infact, it took him quite many years as PM, after he took over his dad, to be accepted, because he had to change his attitude. Initially, he was just so arrogant and full of it, citizens all hated him!

But if you watch him in his younger days when he first became PM, to the man he is now. He has changed sooo much. His much more humble. And definitely more eloquent and knowledgeable in Politics than Trump because of who his father is and he grew up as a PM's son all his life. So his been involve in politics all his life.

Trump has no experience in politics. I don't expect his behaviour to be like a normal politician. But Hsien Loong really took like more than 10 years of being PM to reach his diplomacy and grace today. He was not like that in the beginning, and he often said things that pissed the nation off. So Trump has hope to be polished eventually maybe..., I don't know, of course, Trump is alot older and it's harder for older people to change.

Personally, Trump is gonna be more like a Hated US President like GWB. He won't be like Bill or Obama who are friends with the world. But his anti-war, unlike Bush was so pro-war, so it would be interesting. He would be hands off other country's problems like Obama, but probably starting new economic wars, in hope for protectionalism for America. It's interesting my PM went to the US to promote TPP. But I read online many betting if Hillary was elected, despite her claims to be against it, she would totally make TPP happen immediately.

Whereas Trump will definitely oppose it.

Personally, I cannot see TPP benefiting the US. I think it's more benefit for the other countries in the TPP agreements for US to be in there.






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