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Greta75 -> Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 9:43:45 AM)

Okay this strange out of no where topic interests me. Because it frustrates me that in my country! Every single General Practitioner and Gynecologist, will tell pregnant women to get rid of their cat or dogs, claiming it's harmful to their child and will later give their baby asthma and all that crap.

I assume kids in farms don't get asthma precisely because of their constant contact with animals!

This is not even the right place to post haha! I need to complain to my own local media about those doctors causing alot of pet abandonment over nothing.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/why-amish-farm-kids-dont-asthma-212930635.html




OsideGirl -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 10:58:38 AM)

It doesn't say that they don't get Asthma - it's says that only 5% of Amish have Asthma, which is lower than the national average.





jlf1961 -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 11:01:25 AM)

Kids on farms suffer asthma just as frequently as kids not on farms, and there are a lot more to the Amish than just living on farms.


Another point I would like to make, even though it is glaringly obvious, is that it is looking at two communities. There are Amish communities all over the northeastern United States, not to mention Hutterites, Minnonites, as well as other splinter groups of the same basic faith.

Taken at a glance the data seems to show something, but that is again misleading.

Amish families, for example, everyone works on the farms, where as in other splinter groups of the same religion, children tend to be in public schools, thus exposed to more environmental factors than the Amish children.

Another point is that, like many great plains states, North Dakota has the tendency toward more dust storms, and since the Dakotas are not only known for farms and ranches, they are also known for their mining sites. The dust off those piles of mine waste carry toxic substances that will adversely affect developing lungs.

And that dust will carry for thousands of miles, with heavier particles falling closer to the source. Consider that the dust and ash from a volcano that erupted in Idaho in prehistoric times impacted animals thousands of miles away, and dust from the Mt. St. Helens eruption was detected in significant amounts as far away as the UK.

Finally, Asthma is a cover name for over 900 different lung conditions.

The only point this study truly makes is that living a healthier lifestyle, devoid of an extremely high percentage of modern influences does diminish the chance of developing one of 900 different conditions.

Let you in on a secret, the Amish have a lower incidence of cancer as well as lower incidences of other conditions that chronically affect the majority of people living a technology based lifestyle.

Their immune systems are substantially stronger than the average American, and the reason is simple, they are living a lifestyle without all the crap we shove into our lives on a daily basis.

The normal out-gassing of toxic compounds from our use of electronics in every aspect of our modern lives has a serious impact on our health as well as the health of our children.




OsideGirl -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 11:12:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


Let you in on a secret, the Amish have a lower incidence of cancer as well as lower incidences of other conditions that chronically affect the majority of people living a technology based lifestyle.





This ^^^

It has been shown that kids raised around animals/farms have a lower incidence of animal allergies, but it it doesn't effect the other allergies.

I grew up on horse farm - I'm not allergic to any animals, but am allergic to grass hays, aspirin, mint, onion and juniper berries.




jlf1961 -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 12:39:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl




This ^^^

It has been shown that kids raised around animals/farms have a lower incidence of animal allergies, but it it doesn't effect the other allergies.

I grew up on horse farm - I'm not allergic to any animals, but am allergic to grass hays, aspirin, mint, onion and juniper berries.



I am gonna regret this, but, seeing as how all grains are basically specially bred grass raised to boost seed production, AND all hay is essentially grass, would it not be easier just to say, 'allergic to hay?"

Mint? seriously? How can you survive in a world where they put mint in everything from toothpaste to shampoo, not to mention air fresheners?

I mean, I was picking up a script the other day, and the quickest way to the pharmacist window was to cut through the aisle with condoms and other items of that nature and saw a mint flavored personal lubricant, along with other varied flavors.

Aside from the obvious questions about flavored lubes, how can you get a mint flavor without using some part of the mint plant? And knowing that mint oil can be irritating (burns like hell) to open wounds, I somehow suspect that mint in contact with either the male or female parts would prove to be uncomfortable at the very least.





WhoreMods -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 12:47:47 PM)

You didn't have "Apaches" in the 'States, did you?
(Keep your kids off that bloody farm. They'll die. Nastily.)




jlf1961 -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 12:50:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

You didn't have "Apaches" in the 'States, did you?
(Keep your kids off that bloody farm. They'll die. Nastily.)



Uh, yeah, I am of Apache descent.




WhoreMods -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 1:05:18 PM)

Sorry, I was forgetting the derivation of the title might confuse that.
There's a public information film from the '70s called "Apaches" demonstrating the terrible (and fatal) things that can befall unsupervised children on a working farm. It's probably on youtube somewhere.




jlf1961 -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 1:22:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Sorry, I was forgetting the derivation of the title might confuse that.
There's a public information film from the '70s called "Apaches" demonstrating the terrible (and fatal) things that can befall unsupervised children on a working farm. It's probably on youtube somewhere.




I worked at a horse ranch when I was in high school, and we had a visit from some government idiot from OSHA (Occupational Health and Safety Agency.)

FYI idiot is more a compliment than any thing else.

After inspecting the horse barns, watched use working with the horses (some of them being broke to saddle) he came up with a ton of suggestions.

1) Do not mount horses in training until they will no longer buck when a rider gets in the saddle.

- Now, our technique was to use bags of sand tied to the saddle until the horse was used to the weight on his/her back, but they would still buck with a rider for the first couple of times simply because a rider was not a bag of sand and while the bucking was for a short duration, it could still result in the rider landing in the dirt, and usually did, more than once.

2) do not get on the horse until the horse was used to being led by command from the reins.

- Every horse on the place was used to being led by reins or a halter from in front, but it is entirely different for the horse when the pressure on the rein is from a rider.

3) Wear athletic cups and pads when working around horses that had a habit of kicking.

-To wear pads to completely protect yourself from a horse kicking basically means you cant freaking move.

4) Safety nets below the grain bin OR a safety harness attached to the rail around the top of the bin.

- the cat walks at the top of the bins had a 8 foot high safety rail that actually went above the top of the bin, in order to fall off the damn thing you would have to climb to the top of the rails.

5) Slip resistant soles on boots when working in the barns to avoid slipping on the deposits of said horses.

- the only concrete floor in the damn barn was wear we washed the horses down and groom them. We already wore rubber soled over boots or rubber stable boots in that area anyway.
The rest of the barn was dirt floors so the only thing that happened when you stepped on a pile of horse shit was you got your boots dirty, and maybe the cuffs of your jeans if it was an unusually large pile.
Of course, piles of horse shit were rare since none of us liked to clean our boots daily so we kept the stables mucked out and very clean (my mother used to complain the stables I worked in were cleaner than my room, but my retort was there was never any shit on my bedroom floor.)




WhoreMods -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 2:42:35 PM)

I don't think a cricket box would help any when a horse kicks you, true enough. You'd probably need a suit of the magic platemail stuff out of Dungeons and Dragons to avoid injury.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 5:06:03 PM)

Doctors everywhere have cultural 'attitudes' apart from evidence based practice, the same as everyone else. Each nation has it's insane medical 'practices'. The amount of 'surgical interventions' (Caesarian Sections) in child birth in the US is at 33%??? Double WHO recommendations (And most any other country's rate) for good medical practice. More for scheduling reasons than medical ones, and presenting known risks for future pregnancies.
Pets cause more allergies among Adults, who already are sensitive. Children up to some undetermined age are better off with exposure to as wide a variety of natural proteins as possible. Another study showed that children in cities have more asthma and allergies than rural kids, the further up multi-story residential buildings they lived in, the more of these issues. (Pushing 100% for upper floor kids, IIRC) Farm yard 'playing' children (Lived there, not just 'visiting') had the least. Not zero but much closer. Current US stats for asthma and lung related allergies are approaching 50% of US kids overall, the current thinking is from too 'clean' of environments. Leaving young immune systems 'uneducated' as to the difference between body proteins and 'foreign' ones, and which foreign ones should be attacked as disease agents. The whole asthma complex along with the majority of 'arthritis' and others are thought to be mostly unhealthy/inappropriate immune system attacks on vital body tissues or functions. One friend has with Osteoarthritus has No cushioning tissues left in any of her joints. Life is literally a pain.
The conclusion is children 'learn' appropriate immune responses to both 'native' and 'outside the body' proteins when young, react disproportionally for good health when the immune system is not educated/exposed till after the 'learning' period or when adults.
This leaves untouched the whole area of our novel exposure in the global technological/chemical consumer society, urban or rural, of massive exposure to a multitude of chemicals and materials wholly new in the human experience, many of which are already known to be serious risks to immature or mature humans, but 'Generally Regarded As Safe' because monied interests lobby against rational regulation of items someone is making money selling. (So, we have one in nine American women developing breast cancer well before something else kils them. But that's just women, and not a concern to male dominated industry or Govt. regulators and medical professionals. Breast cancer rate was vanishingly small in 1900.) PFOA, PFOS and HFCS near the top of my personal list. I'd put a lot of the EPA and FDA in prison, and make regulators and legislators individually civilly and criminally libel for their decisions that go against evidence they had at hand. As well as individual decision makers in corporations, rather than simple corporate financial liability at some time in the future, maybe.
Much of the relevant dept. of DuPont, and executives past and present higher up, should already be incarcerated now that their suppression of in-house studies of the dangers of Teflon, etc., are known. Simply hiding negative studies should be cause to pull professional degrees and certifications, and banning from relevant industry employment. Putting the criminals who kept Tobacco a not just viable but massively profitable industry for many decades after the studies were conclusive should decimate several industries of executives, and strip the Climate Denier PR industry and the US Right Wing generally of most spokesmen, who simply changed subjects and employers, different lyrics, same dance, same tune.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 5:26:31 PM)

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I somehow suspect that mint in contact with either the male or female parts would prove to be uncomfortable at the very least.

Well it isn't "comfortable" per se, but it is fun.




OsideGirl -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 8:25:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl




This ^^^

It has been shown that kids raised around animals/farms have a lower incidence of animal allergies, but it it doesn't effect the other allergies.

I grew up on horse farm - I'm not allergic to any animals, but am allergic to grass hays, aspirin, mint, onion and juniper berries.



I am gonna regret this, but, seeing as how all grains are basically specially bred grass raised to boost seed production, AND all hay is essentially grass, would it not be easier just to say, 'allergic to hay?"
Nope. Alfalfa is a legume hay. Timothy is a grass hay. I am not allergic to Alfalfa.

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Mint? seriously? How can you survive in a world where they put mint in everything from toothpaste to shampoo, not to mention air fresheners?
It's not fun. Last week I went to wash my hands in the bathroom of an office building. The soap said Grapefruit Splash. Nope! Mint. I spent about 8 hours with red, swollen and hot hands. It took a few Benadryl to get them to stop.

I have to be super vigilant and family and friends watch out for me too.








DesFIP -> RE: Staying in Farms Prevent Asthma in Children (8/4/2016 9:06:55 PM)

I'm assuming the Amish don't use pesticides. There are apple farms all around here. Because of the pesticide usage, breast cancer rates among farmer's wives runs twice the average.




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