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Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 8:01:14 AM   
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I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton.


Clinton in Pittsburgh, Pa., on Saturday.
RUTH FREMSON / THE NEW YORK TIMES
By MICHAEL J. MORELL
AUGUST 5, 2016
During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush’s side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.

I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.

No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.

Two strongly held beliefs have brought me to this decision. First, Mrs. Clinton is highly qualified to be commander in chief. I trust she will deliver on the most important duty of a president — keeping our nation safe. Second, Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.

I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument.

I also saw the secretary’s commitment to our nation’s security; her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and, most important, her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all — whether to put young American women and men in harm’s way.

Mrs. Clinton was an early advocate of the raid that brought Bin Laden to justice, in opposition to some of her most important colleagues on the National Security Council. During the early debates about how we should respond to the Syrian civil war, she was a strong proponent of a more aggressive approach, one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold in Syria.

I never saw her bring politics into the Situation Room. In fact, I saw the opposite. When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted, she said, “Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner.”

In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.

These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump’s character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 8:15:46 AM   
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While I do believe that HRC will continue the status quo and there will be no substantive changes, i.e., she will play ball...on Trump, this is very accurate and very damning.

This should be a signal to 'thinking' people on the real dangers presented to the US should they vote to put Trump in the white house.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 8:34:23 AM   
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Americans cannot think for themselves. They are the pinnacle of greed and gluttony and hatred and covetness - I believe the 10 commandments called some, whilst spewing in god we trust – what a deranged schizophrenic lot..heathens truth be told
Your people chose him - a deranged mad man whose intellect would not worry a sheep - sheople are different.
He is getting in unless they stoop to his incoherent level of an utter fuking mad simpleton.

these threads bore me - is that all you lot have to say




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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 9:07:49 AM   
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Americans cannot think for themselves.
That pretty much describes most people. It's a characterisation of human beings which crosses national boundaries.

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They are the pinnacle of greed and gluttony and hatred and covetness -
No. Everybody's like that. Except for those religious types who've genuinely committed to poverty, everyone is driven by the same basic human psychology which sees us attempt to survive while employing minimal effort to do so.

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I believe the 10 commandments called some, whilst spewing in god we trust – what a deranged schizophrenic lot..heathens truth be told
The Ten Commandments form the underlying basis of English Common Law and consequently some of that has found its way into America's view of legislation. "In God We Trust" was the expression of a predominantly Christian nation. The US is far more secular these days.

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Your people chose him - a deranged mad man whose intellect would not worry a sheep - sheople are different.
He is getting in unless they stoop to his incoherent level of an utter fuking mad simpleton.
The dynamics behind Trump's popularity are complex, but easy to understand. America has enormous prosperity but it's being hijacked by a corrupt oligarchy too short-sighted to see the effect this has on the nation.

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these threads bore me - is that all you lot have to say
That I will agree with. Lucy has turned into the Democratic politics version of respectmen.







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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 9:18:33 AM   
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Americans are the worst awareness..if you require clarification in no way did I mean all. Percentage wise I know of no worse nation upon this planet.
Vultures have an inherent need for survival and a typical typical American "a thin mint" Monty Python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJZPzQESq_0

America has no money awareness

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 9:33:00 AM   
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Is that all?? I must try harder...





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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 11:07:41 AM   
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Is that all?? I must try harder...





Well he's trying very hard but there is no power and group of professional people in this world who takes a back seat to the greed, corruption and utter disregard for society (or societies) as a whole (and for 4 centuries) than London, The BoE, the Rothchild's infiltration of all things elitist, banking and the vestiges of country still under a queen, based on the 'family' values of Henry the VIII. (and why financially and militarily...in America's pocket)

The only exception being the simultaneous subsidizing and bastardizing of their national health service which must also face the knife, when austerity rears its ugly head.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 12:51:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Americans cannot think for themselves.
That pretty much describes most people. It's a characterisation of human beings which crosses national boundaries.

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They are the pinnacle of greed and gluttony and hatred and covetness -
No. Everybody's like that. Except for those religious types who've genuinely committed to poverty, everyone is driven by the same basic human psychology which sees us attempt to survive while employing minimal effort to do so.

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I believe the 10 commandments called some, whilst spewing in god we trust – what a deranged schizophrenic lot..heathens truth be told
The Ten Commandments form the underlying basis of English Common Law and consequently some of that has found its way into America's view of legislation. "In God We Trust" was the expression of a predominantly Christian nation. The US is far more secular these days.

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Your people chose him - a deranged mad man whose intellect would not worry a sheep - sheople are different.
He is getting in unless they stoop to his incoherent level of an utter fuking mad simpleton.
The dynamics behind Trump's popularity are complex, but easy to understand. America has enormous prosperity but it's being hijacked by a corrupt oligarchy too short-sighted to see the effect this has on the nation.

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these threads bore me - is that all you lot have to say
That I will agree with. Lucy has turned into the Democratic politics version of respectmen.







Actually, since she has been here longer respectmen has become the rightwing version of Lucy. I try to avoid threads he starts also, and I avoid interaction with him as well.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 1:07:09 PM   
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Is this unprecedented, or have the Republicans dredged up somebody so hopeless that former CIA heads preferred the evil marxist liberal scumDemocrat candidate instead before now?
An ex-CIA man refusing to vote Republican. That's like Julian Casablancas shutting up and letting the rest of his band speak in an interview. Just doesn't happen...

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 1:14:32 PM   
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ooooh is this a Lucy roast?
let me get some popcorn and settle in.
three of the whiniest men on the forum.
omg im gonna be devastated.
carry on chaps....ignore the topic, get your whinging done.
ps bama i get your rhoids are irritated because you were caught out in lying bullshit again.
there there.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 2:25:48 PM   
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Is this unprecedented, or have the Republicans dredged up somebody so hopeless that former CIA heads preferred the evil marxist liberal scumDemocrat candidate instead before now?
An ex-CIA man refusing to vote Republican. That's like Julian Casablancas shutting up and letting the rest of his band speak in an interview. Just doesn't happen...


Hillary is neither Marxist nor liberal, she just understood that moving towards equal rights would naturally occur with the expansion of voting rights

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 2:32:43 PM   
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I thought the strike through thing would have made it clear that was a sarcastic pop at this ridiculous "Dems=Commies" notion a lot of the rightards in here have.

Any thoughts on ex-CIA admin coming out in favour of a Democrat previously? I thought they'd effectively been Republican since the '70s. Carter had a few problems with that, iirc...

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 3:01:06 PM   
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That's his opinion fine. If he thinks he is going to get people to vote with him because he spies on them ad assassinates lawfully elected leaders he might be mistaken.

And I already told you about Russia. One thing I do agree with is that Putin is very competent. But he also outclasses Clinton by miles. He also outclasses Obama by miles, but nothing has happened, except what the US made happen.

This guy is responsible for the strife in Ukraine and Syria. Russia is in Syria officially but they know where the money is coming from for the insurrection.

You want us to vote with him ?

Sadly, both choices are no good, I would bet that the number of people who do a write in is higher than ever this time.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/5/2016 3:38:27 PM   
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Qhhhhh And thats just your opinion, cest la vie..vote who you want, but stop using fantasy as a guideline...
You dont like clinton, no skin off my nose, but dont lie to yourself, cos im just pixels on a forum and its not me you have to live with, its yourself.



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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/7/2016 7:42:08 AM   
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I don't like Trump either.

I haven't liked any candidate for many years.

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RE: Michael J Morrell, Ex CIA Chief wont vote Trump - 8/7/2016 7:58:51 AM   
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