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What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 5:05:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see this word being used more and more, usually by young transgender women describing themselves. And yet I haven't been able to get even the foggiest notion of what it is supposed to mean. I certainly get the impression that it isn't supposed to be interpreted literally (i.e. "bait and trap). Anyone have an insight?
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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 5:09:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The implication is that they're a trap for straight guys. I think it's used more to describe very convincing cross dressers than the transgendered, who obviously believe that they belong to the gender they present themselves as, and are claiming their true sexual identity rather than simply trying to pass.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 5:47:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		And beware. Many trans folks see it as a slur. Those who choose to use it for themselves and identify as such are "reclaiming" the label, and it should not become a part of your general lexicon.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 7:29:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		TRAP -never heard the word/term before

I rarely come across transgender women. Half dozen in my lifetime online (and at clubs), Cross dressers tend to be far more abundant...but typically inhabit sex swinger sites.

Given the rarity of these people I dont understand how you are frequently coming across this term - unless it applies to Tvs/cds etc

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 7:47:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure. It's a pretty nasty term on a lot of levels, really.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 10:33:24 AM   
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Never heard the term used that way before. I guess one does learn something new everyday.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/7/2016 10:35:34 AM   
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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/9/2016 7:51:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		An extremely nasty term/concept.

Angie Zapata was a very passable MtF. When they got naked, her date killed her. His defense was that, once he realized she had male genitals, he became enraged and killed her in the ensuing rage.

Similarly, the concept of a trap is that a pre-op MtF will get to the point of getting naked with a man without ever revealing that she's not cis, and then springing it on the guy right then.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/9/2016 4:49:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a relatively new term for me, and it might be being used in a somewhat different way. It seems to be mostly young (under 25) CDs, TVs and TSs who seem quite comfortable applying the term to themselves. Here's what came up with a simple Google search, "trap femboy."

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1049&bih=630&q=trap+femboy&oq=trap+femboy&gs_l=img.3...1401.5773.0.6637.11.8.0.3.0.0.117.832.2j6.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.7.734...0j0i10.KyHKzSNkmmQ


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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/9/2016 7:30:02 PM   
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You're probably not looking at the right sorts of porn.

Given how rarely I watch any porn you're likely right.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/10/2016 2:56:27 AM   
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It's a relatively new term for me, and it might be being used in a somewhat different way. It seems to be mostly young (under 25) CDs, TVs and TSs who seem quite comfortable applying the term to themselves.


It's an ironic reclamation, and shouldn't be used by others to describe them, unless they insist. Use other, less offensive terms to be safe.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/10/2016 3:29:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is multiple meanings, and it all depends on who and how they are using it.
One option has been explored above, but here is also the "trap" that is used in (usually) Southern urban areas, I.e. Trap music, the trap scene or trap queen.
A trap queen is loosely translated into a loyal street savvy woman who lives her passions and stays true to her friends and family.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/10/2016 7:08:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		it is something in my job we use a lot.xx

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/10/2016 7:32:41 AM   
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There is multiple meanings, and it all depends on who and how they are using it.
One option has been explored above, but here is also the "trap" that is used in (usually) Southern urban areas, I.e. Trap music, the trap scene or trap queen.
A trap queen is loosely translated into a loyal street savvy woman who lives her passions and stays true to her friends and family.

Thank you. I've not heard that one.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/10/2016 12:31:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a consequence of an undefined area of transgender advocacy.

Unfortunately, there's a group of transgenders who think that "The Crying Game" is a model for their interactions with straight guys. The problem with that, is that if a transgender MtF has a sexual encounter with a straight guy without telling him she's trans, then she's effectively committed sexual assault.

Straight guys react very poorly to sexual assault. From a (genuine) straight guy's perspective, a gay guy has just assaulted him. The result is probably going to be violent. The trans individual is not seen as a woman, he's seen as a gay guy in a dress who's just deceived the straight guy into something he finds utterly revolting. He will probably be beaten. Badly.

From a social perspective, disclosure is critical. Not disclosing trans status prior to a sexual encounter is sexual assault. Period. A failure to acknowledge this fact is going to result in more trans deaths.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/19/2016 12:06:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		As others have pointed out, a "trap" is a feminine man or trans woman that could convincingly pass as a biological woman, the implication being that they could lure unsuspecting hetero men (or lesbian women) into an sexual encounter. However I've never known "trap" to be a derogatory term or carry any negative connotations. It's not meant to imply that the person has any actual intention of misleading a potential partner, only that they could pass as a woman if they tried.

If you've spent half of the time that I do on 4chan's /d/ board ("alternative" hentai) then you've no doubt noticed that there are at all times at least one or two image threads dedicated to traps, where "trap" is used as a term of endearment. Some threads show off traps with men, sometimes with women, sometimes with a particular theme, sometimes it's traps and "reverse traps" (women dressed as men), but pretty boys in panties are the common theme in all of them.

I can totally understand how calling a trans woman a trap would be insensitive since you're basically ignoring their actual identity to focus on their superficial appearance, but for someone like me who cross-dresses for fun... well, like most things it depends heavily on the context and the rest of the conversation, but the (tasteful) implication that I could pass is hardly insulting.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/19/2016 3:29:21 AM   
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However I've never known "trap" to be a derogatory term or carry any negative connotations.


Just to be clear, I've been told by many it is derogatory, especially for actual trans people.

I have been caught in the trap (other kind) that is saying things that are OK with people I know (such as Tgurl, which is how some of my friend self-identify), and others being seriously offended. So, I think it's important to note when words are potentially offensive, and allow others to use them as they see fit.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/19/2016 3:45:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I AM A TRAP, but only for women. xx

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/19/2016 9:50:36 AM   
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However I've never known "trap" to be a derogatory term or carry any negative connotations.


Just to be clear, I've been told by many it is derogatory, especially for actual trans people.

I have been caught in the trap (other kind) that is saying things that are OK with people I know (such as Tgurl, which is how some of my friend self-identify), and others being seriously offended. So, I think it's important to note when words are potentially offensive, and allow others to use them as they see fit.


Certainly, and I agree with you as far as using "safer" words when in doubt goes. I was just trying to offer another perspective and point out that this term isn't as universally offensive as some other common slurs are.

And to be entirely clear, the context in which I usually hear it has to do with porn or camwhoring. However inoffensive the term may be to some people in that context it's another thing entirely to use it in everyday conversation. You wouldn't call someone a slut on the street even if you knew they sucked a dozen cocks daily and were proud of it.

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RE: What is a "TRAP?" - 8/19/2016 6:52:43 PM   
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You wouldn't call someone a slut on the street even if you knew they sucked a dozen cocks daily and were proud of it.


No, not unless she was maliciously committing some sort of fraud. I'm not especially familiar with the term trap. Though I must concur with an earlier poster that traps are playing Russian roulette if the term is used to mean they are pretending to be women when they still have male genitalia. Heterosexual guys are generally not going to react well, for that matter I doubt Lesbian women would react very well either So perhaps in those instances a derogatory term is in order due to the malicious deception employed. If they are open about what they are, then I can see how the term would possibly be offensive as it implies deception and malice which is not actually present.

The fundamental question is one of honesty and intent.

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