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AtUrCervix -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 5:17:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I dunno, Ive been in temps of 80-96 in the past week oh dear you poor thing. It has been running in the 105-115 here and the fire is not helping. They have it pretty much under control but there is still a lot of smoke and ash. Today is was only 96[:D] I looove Thompson X....he can fill MORE space with BOLD type, with unadulterated bullllllllllllllllllllllshit, than anyone in the history of the world.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 5:18:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not according to the history books. Are these the history books that exist only inside of your head? There is the off chance that actually you're not so well informed. Go and read about it. (See previous)

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 8:43:54 PM)
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not according to the history books. Are these the history books that exist only inside of your head? The battle of minsk (june 1941) the germans outnumbered the russians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bia%C5%82ystok%E2%80%93Minsk There is the off chance that actually you're not so well informed. Nope not even an off chance. Go and read about it. The Germans outnumbered the Russians outside of Moscow and the Russians had ran out of reserves. How is it then that the russians were so succssful. They were both fighting in the same cold so the weather affects both equally. Russian intelligence suggested that the Japanese would not attack that part of Russian, and so they took the risk and shipped over boatloads of Siberians. The russians and the japs had signed a non aggression pact. I am curious as to how one goes by boat from sibera to moscow by boat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Neutrality_Pact These Siberians were tough kids and better soldiers than your average Russian, which they needed considering the Germans had spent a couple of months rounding the fuckers up like sheep dogs at show trials. Russians were quite aware of the german plan for war. Stalin told pavelov (the commander of the western front) and zhuchove to wargame it. https://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Dnepr-Zhukov-Stalin-Hitlers-Blitzkrieg/dp/0891415297 Pavlov felt he could stop the germans at the boarder and zhuchove showed him he was mistaken by playing the aggresor. When the rolls were reversed and zhuchove was the defender he retreated through the priapit marshes to moscow with a defensive retreat. His plan was to meet gudiarian at the end of a very thin 500 mile supply line that terminated at moscow. The result was that a numerically superior force filled more than300,000 body bags with dead german solders in the snow in front of moscow before amerika was enven in the war.

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 8:46:58 PM)
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 ORIGINAL: thompsonx The russians were able to bring their troops from siberia because they had made a non aggression pact with japan.The troops themselves were pretty much equivilant. When did 'pacts' ever mean anything? The japs respected it to the end. It was the russians who abarogated it. The Russians shipped them over because their intelligence told them not to expect an attack from Japan, rather than any agreement. The link to the agreement is in the above post. As for the troops being equivalent.... You serious? The Russians were dog shite. They got blitzed by the Germans who just ran them ragged until they ran out of supplies and the rain/mud hit. The Siberians were made of much sterner stuff. The books referenced say you are mistaken.

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 8:56:43 PM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually (and I hate to admit this) Why? there was a non aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Japan, and (hating the fact he had to admit Yamamoto was right about the Americans) Tojo figured that he was going to have more than enough problems with the US, Great Britain and China by mid '42, so he wisely decided not to violate it (even though he had 'allowed' Imperial troops to do so in the past). The non aggression pact with japan was made in april of 41 before germany attacked russia. So Russia not only pulled Siberians off the border, but also some pretty damn good units made up of Ukrainians and Russians that had been moved east when Japan went hog wide in China and Manchuria and with the 'accidental' incursions by Japanese troops over the period from '36 to '39. Tht would have been the time that zhuchove stomped a mud puddle in their butts at khalkhin gol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:00:35 PM)
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 Interesting that a left-wing fellow such as you Where do you draw that inference? places such stock in what Churchill had to say, considering he was vehemently anti-left. To historians there are no good guys and no bad guys only the stuff that happens. Sociology has good guys and bad guys. As it turns out, Churchill had an unerring habit of being wrong, and being spontaneous, and being wasteful; and generally being a career politician. As fdr once said"he is a drunk but he is the best they have"

Nnanji -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:02:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not according to the history books. How is it then that the russians were so succssful. They were both fighting in the same cold so the weather affects both equally. Pavlov felt he could stop the germans at the boarder and zhuchove showed him he was mistaken by playing the aggresor. When the rolls were reversed and zhuchove was the defender he retreated through the priapit marshes to moscow with a defensive retreat. His plan was to meet gudiarian at the end of a very thin 500 mile supply line that terminated at moscow. The result was that a numerically superior force filled more than300,000 body bags with dead german solders in the snow in front of moscow before amerika was enven in the war. I think you argues both side...but nobody noticed.

Nnanji -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:14:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 --FR-- The USA won a total of 121 medals, GB won a total of 67 medals. The USA sent a total of 552 athletes to Rio, GB sent a total of 372. http://www.mapsofworld.com/sports/olympics/summer-olympics/participating-nations.html The results are that GB sent 67% of the number of athletes as the USA, but only received 55% as many medals. It would seem that the athletes that GB did send weren't as good as the athletes sent by the USA. Make of it what you will. I once had lunch with a guy who was a world record holder and multi-gold medal winner in the Olympics. He told me over lunch it was not bragging to say you are the best in the world when you are. He was correct. An individual that becomes the best in the world is not compared to how many people a country sends to compete. He/she is compared to the rest of the world. I find your argument fallacious. If you have a pool of ten people and two of them become the best in the world, you cannot say those two are less because someone else has a pool of many hundreds and they produce four people who are the best. Those sixty seven were the best in the world at a given time and place. Give them their due, let them celebrate what they earned and marvel at the system that allowed them to thrive. They were just a few medals short of China that still has state sponsored show athletes and billions of people.

Nnanji -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:21:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Let's not forget Stalin's non-aggression pact with his fellow socialist country, Germany. Any idea how that non aggression pact came about? with his fellow socialist country, Germany. Germany was fascist not socialis. Germany went to war with russia because they were against socialism. Educate yourself. In which pact the two countries determined how they were going to devide Eastern Europe between them. Where is that in the pact? The pact lasted for years allowing Germany freedom to invade Europe. Actually it was curuchill who allowed germany to invade europe. You might want to read his book,ww 2 in which he details how he prevented russia from comming to the aid of france (her ally). It was refered to as "the intervention".Lady astor and winny went at it pretty heavy over this incident. The Soviet Union's, not Russia, contribution after Germany broke the pact was not what they'd intended, Actually it was exactly what they had intended. When churchill stopped russia from aiding france her only coice was to ally with germany to gain time. it was necessary for survival. Hitler fucked up with two fronts. What two fronts? Europe was secure. Hitler left 20 or so divisions there and sent the other 2.5 million men to russia.North africa was only a corps and primarily italian. Stalin had every intention of later aggression. You don't have to like stalin to respect him. He had obviously read hitlers book which quite clearly laid out his plans to exterminate the russians. So yes stalin knew he would be fighting hitler he just wanted to postphone it while he was building up his arsenal. To praise them now is silly. Sure, a lot of their soldiers died. A lot of that was due to Stalin's policy of sacrificing men rather than material. How do you come up with that. He used material and men the same way. He was fighting to preserve the russian people that hitler had promised to turn into fertilizer. If you were the president how many men would you sacrafice to save the country? I'll have to get a cite for you. But the fascist were a "National" socialist party. The difference between that and a socialist country like the Soviet Union was slim and only based on international intent versus national intent. I assume you're familiar with the Natzies being called National Socialists so I don't have to cite that.

Nnanji -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji While much of what you said is true, the US's three biggest sports were all invented here. Baseball, American football and basketball. not so much Basketball was invented by a canadian, Naismith. The first recorded baseball game took place in canada, But it is based on an old english game called rounders. American football. On May 13 and 14, two games were played in the US between Harvard University and McGill(Canadian). The first was played using Harvard’s rules, which was a game more like soccer and using a round ball, the second was played using McGill(Canadian) rules, with an oval ball. http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/05/14/how-canada-created-american-football-may-14-1874/ Basketball, a team sport invented by Canadian James NAISMITH in 1891, has spread throughout the world. The game had its origin at the YMCA International Training School, now Springfield College, in Springfield, Mass. Lots of Cannucks abandon Canada for the warmer climates. Doesn't make it a Canadian thing.

Nnanji -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:30:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji While much of what you said is true, the US's three biggest sports were all invented here. Baseball, American football and basketball. not so much Basketball was invented by a canadian, Naismith. The first recorded baseball game took place in canada, But it is based on an old english game called rounders. American football. On May 13 and 14, two games were played in the US between Harvard University and McGill(Canadian). The first was played using Harvard’s rules, which was a game more like soccer and using a round ball, the second was played using McGill(Canadian) rules, with an oval ball. http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/05/14/how-canada-created-american-football-may-14-1874/ From your cite: As it turned out the Americans won the first game 3-0, while the second game was a scoreless tie. However, the Harvard squad so enjoyed the Canadian innovations to the game that they introduced them into a match against Yale University the following year. Observers from Princeton also like the game and introduced it to their university American sources tend to cite this all US game as the start of American football, ignoring the fact that Canada was the source of the Harvard game. In 1876 a semi- formalized rulebook for was created as the new game took root as a much different sport from the sports of soccer and rugger (rugby), but very much influenced by the Canadian innovations. While Canada may have initiated such a game, it obviously took American innovation to make it a game that is played today. Pretty much 0for three Lucy.

BamaD -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:35:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The russians were able to bring their troops from siberia because they had made a non aggression pact with japan.The troops themselves were pretty much equivilant. When did 'pacts' ever mean anything? The Russians shipped them over because their intelligence told them not to expect an attack from Japan, rather than any agreement. As for the troops being equivalent.... You serious? The Russians were dog shite. They got blitzed by the Germans who just ran them ragged until they ran out of supplies and the rain/mud hit. The Siberians were made of much sterner stuff. Stalin and Hitler also had a non agression pact.

BamaD -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 9:39:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The russians were able to bring their troops from siberia because they had made a non aggression pact with japan.The troops themselves were pretty much equivilant. When did 'pacts' ever mean anything? The Russians shipped them over because their intelligence told them not to expect an attack from Japan, rather than any agreement. As for the troops being equivalent.... You serious? The Russians were dog shite. They got blitzed by the Germans who just ran them ragged until they ran out of supplies and the rain/mud hit. The Siberians were made of much sterner stuff. NorthernGent, Actually (and I hate to admit this) there was a non aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Japan, and (hating the fact he had to admit Yamamoto was right about the Americans) Tojo figured that he was going to have more than enough problems with the US, Great Britain and China by mid '42, so he wisely decided not to violate it (even though he had 'allowed' Imperial troops to do so in the past.) So Russia not only pulled Siberians off the border, but also some pretty damn good units made up of Ukrainians and Russians that had been moved east when Japan went hog wide in China and Manchuria and with the 'accidental' incursions by Japanese troops over the period from '36 to '39. In fact, Tojo and his lunatics were seriously considering striking into the Soviet Union AND attacking the US holdings in Asia, but cooler heads prevailed. There were a number of reasons for the plan. 1) The lack of a full military response by the US in '37 after the USS Panay got bombed by the Japanese. 2) The lack of a major Soviet response to the numerous border incidents involving Japanese troops 'accidentally' firing on Soviet forces while "pursuing" Chinese troops that fled across the border. And contrary to what western propaganda would have many believe, Soviet officers were not shooting their men for retreating (they shot some Generals who ordered the retreats) and the Soviet army had most things in good supply, the exception being decent tanks. And finally, please give credit for the German failing to take Moscow where it is due. It had nothing to do with an influx of new Soviet troops, conscripts or otherwise. The German war plan called for Moscow to fall BEFORE the onset of the Russian winter. Even Hitler knew that the bitter cold would make conducting Blitzkrieg operations damn near impossible. The second mistake, which screwed taking Moscow was Hitler's decision to shift a major percentage of the advancing forces to hit Stalingrad. By doing so, Hitler gave the Russians the one thing they needed. Time. And yes, the Soviet defense of Stalingrad cost the Soviets tremendously in the number of troops killed, but again, it tied up a large portion of German troops and bought the Soviets time. Khrushchev admitted after the war that his whole goal in the defense of Stalingrad was to buy time no matter what the cost. Which he held first line units in reserve until the Germans had pretty much exhausted their army. Hitler learned what history has already shown Napoleon, and every idiot who invaded Russia from the west, you cant beat the Russian winter. Don't forget that the Greman attack was delayed in helping the Italians in Greece. That delay may have been critical.

Lucylastic -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 10:45:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji While much of what you said is true, the US's three biggest sports were all invented here. Baseball, American football and basketball. not so much Basketball was invented by a canadian, Naismith. The first recorded baseball game took place in canada, But it is based on an old english game called rounders. American football. On May 13 and 14, two games were played in the US between Harvard University and McGill(Canadian). The first was played using Harvard’s rules, which was a game more like soccer and using a round ball, the second was played using McGill(Canadian) rules, with an oval ball. http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/05/14/how-canada-created-american-football-may-14-1874/ From your cite: As it turned out the Americans won the first game 3-0, while the second game was a scoreless tie. However, the Harvard squad so enjoyed the Canadian innovations to the game that they introduced them into a match against Yale University the following year. Observers from Princeton also like the game and introduced it to their university American sources tend to cite this all US game as the start of American football, ignoring the fact that Canada was the source of the Harvard game. In 1876 a semi- formalized rulebook for was created as the new game took root as a much different sport from the sports of soccer and rugger (rugby), but very much influenced by the Canadian innovations. While Canada may have initiated such a game, it obviously took American innovation to make it a game that is played today. Pretty much 0for three Lucy. Then maybe you should be more careful in what you type, dipshit. quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji While much of what you said is true, the US's three biggest sports were all invented here. Baseball, American football and basketball. SO its not me who is ignorant. you can change your goalposts all you want. It doesnt make what you said in any way correct. btw You know that "football" in canada has been around since 1861? a few years before that game in 1874. The first documented football match was a practice game played on November 9, 1861, at University College, University of Toronto (approximately 400 yards or 370 metres west of Queen's Park). One of the participants in the game involving University of Toronto students was Sir William Mulock, later Chancellor of the school.[2] A football club was formed at the university soon afterward, although its rules of play at this stage are unclear.[citation needed] The first written account of a game played was on October 15, 1862, on the Montreal Cricket Grounds. It was between the First Battalion Grenadier Guards and the Second Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards resulting in a win by the Grenadier Guards 3 goals, 2 rouges to nothing.[citation needed] In 1864, at Trinity College, Toronto, F. Barlow Cumberland, Frederick A. Bethune, and Christopher Gwynn, one of the founders of Milton, Massachusetts, devised rules based on rugby football.[2] The game gradually gained a following, with the Hamilton Football Club formed on November 3, 1869, (the oldest football club in Canada). Montreal formed a team April 8, 1872, Toronto was formed on October 4, 1873, and the Ottawa FBC on September 20, 1876. This rugby-football soon became popular at Montreal's McGill University. McGill challenged Harvard University to a game, in 1874 using a hybrid game of English rugby devised by the University of McGill.[5][6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football

Lucylastic -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/23/2016 10:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I dunno, Ive been in temps of 80-96 in the past week oh dear you poor thing. 80 to 96? The way it has been around here the last few weeks, those temps would be reason to where a sweater! But, I take it with your mention of the temps, that it has finally gotten warm enough for Canadian brains to thaw? You wanna keep insulting me jeff, go right ahead. no its been much hotter, but never mind. You like heat, I dont...it obviously has fuck all with brains working.

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/24/2016 6:14:29 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji I'll have to get a cite for you. But the fascist were a "National" socialist party. The difference between that and a socialist country like the Soviet Union was slim and only based on international intent versus national intent. Could you enumerate these "slim" differences? I assume you're familiar with the Natzies being called National Socialists so I don't have to cite that. I am familiar with many euphimisms. "There was the "greater east asia co-prosperity sphear" Which sounds kewel but means something quite different. If we read the "talking heads" of the day we do not find them equating the two but rather hoping that the nazis would get rid of the socialist. In todays post cold war rhetoric those who woud denigrate the socialist would try paint them the same as the enemy that murdered 25 million of their people. That lacks even the basics of logic.

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/24/2016 6:16:32 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji I think you argues both side...but nobody noticed. Could you elaborate as to why you believe this?

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/24/2016 6:19:18 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Stalin and Hitler also had a non agression pact. You clearly do not understand why.

thompsonx -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/24/2016 6:27:44 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Don't forget that the Greman attack was delayed in helping the Italians in Greece. That delay may have been critical. I find it interesting how pro nazi you are. How is it that you refuse to allow any credit for the destruction of the nazis to be laid at the feet of the russians? You and your kind have told us that the winter beat the germans but the russians were fighting in the same snow so how does the winter favor the russians? Does it not snow in germany? You have told us that it was the delay helping the italians. Then there was the trip to kiev that hitler required gudiarian to take. Oh yes the rain and mud stopped the germans but somehow magically it did not affect the russians. Tell me how many successful german offensives occured after the fall of moscow?

jlf1961 -> RE: Pound For Pound The Very Best (8/24/2016 7:21:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I dunno, Ive been in temps of 80-96 in the past week oh dear you poor thing. 80 to 96? The way it has been around here the last few weeks, those temps would be reason to where a sweater! But, I take it with your mention of the temps, that it has finally gotten warm enough for Canadian brains to thaw? You wanna keep insulting me jeff, go right ahead. no its been much hotter, but never mind. You like heat, I dont...it obviously has fuck all with brains working. Lucy, I do apologize if you are taking this personally, but I am picking on Canada as a whole. While my primary motivation is, of course, the bacon thing, I would like to point out that the US military, for whatever reason, likes to pick on Canadians as well. To support this, I submit the Avro Aerocar project. A VTOL aircraft that was basically a flying saucer with a vertically mounted jet engine. This was part of a top secret project by the US Air Force and it went north of the border because no American firm wanted anything to do with the idea. So, instead of the "Give it to Mikey, he will eat anything" it was "Let the Canadians do it, they will try anything." Of course, Canadian based websites taking credit for some clearly Americanized versions of team sports from good ol England was just one more thing to jab at canadians about. But then, strangely enough, it seems that the further north you go, people seem to get weird anyway. Chile, for instance, is a staple in the Southwest. And as such, does not, is not, SHALL not be made with beans. We invented it, and it seems that in every spot other than the southwest, they put beans in it. Go north of the mason dixon and order grits or sweet tea, and you suddenly feel like you about to be lynched. Then there is the blasphemy of calling anything but beef Barbeque.

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