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respectmen -> Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 3:01:08 AM)

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-houston-man-who-refused-to-plead-guilty-does-not-want-an-apology-8667533

Would this ever happen to a woman through the justice system?




WhoreMods -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 4:22:48 AM)

Did he post photos of her from one bulletin board on another, and then call her an ugly skank?




NookieNotes -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 6:26:30 AM)

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 6:40:21 AM)

The power of 1 lie. I like a cacophony of lies, deceit, treachery, betrayal, sophism – reaches for his tyrannosaurus called theo – perfidy.

You need to start visiting some better websites - those one will rot your brain - condition you, I fear it is too late and of course nope it wouldn't have happened to woemen - i was abit surprised at the police officer gubbing him one...must have been before the death squads, or perhaps the more logical explanation is they ran out of bullets or are saving them up for dark savages.

Wonders what is the feminist movement called if you are a man....Now, its not chauvinist - hmm or is it? that hardly seems fair.




thishereboi -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 7:52:47 AM)

Gosh I don't know. The last women I heard of who was arrested in Texas only had to spend about 3 days in her cell. And your guy has been locked up for much longer. Of course that was because she died in custody but yeah, she didn't lose her car or anything so this is much worse.

Personally I would suggest staying the fuck out of texas whether your are a man or a women. It just doesn't sound like a fun place to be.




thishereboi -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 7:54:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.


No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.




NookieNotes -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 9:29:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.


No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.




KenDckey -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 12:03:25 PM)

http://www.infowars.com/mother-arrested-charged-with-child-endangerment-for-letting-7-year-old-play-in-park/

Another case of child endangerment because she let kid play in playground alone a few hundred feet and within eyesight of the home.

I have seen cases of similar incidents when kids feel and skint their knee in a park and supervised by the wife. The military father was charged after he returned from assignment overseas. This happened in TX.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 12:48:58 PM)

that happened to me and I was the one who called the police







WickedsDesire -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 1:46:03 PM)

behold I and my glory and behold all the rest





Termyn8or -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 5:06:26 PM)

FR

I smell a lawsuit. First of all she lied accusing him, that is what RM is getting off on. However, this social worker or whatever was way out of line if the story is true. You do not ask people to vacate their house so you can interrogate a neighbor, or ex neighbor. It is against the Constitution for one because it amounts pretty much to quartering of troop, involuntarily.

Some years ago, it may have been Colorado, a family was asked to vacate their home because the cops want it for surveilence of some neighbors. They refused, and got arrested. The media has not given updates on that as far as I know and this one is going to get buried as well. How long did it take you to find out that Randy Weaver beat the living shit out of the government in court ? Yeah, the siege on a White separatist and all that, but only local news reported the aftermath with him walking out a free Man and then suing and winning. Government keeps this shit up they only imperil themselves. In fact the bombing of the Murrah building in OKC was revenge for the Ruby Ridge incident. Now we got a bunch of dead cops somewhere else. I wonder what they did.

Terrorists are not crazy, they seek revenge.

Bottom line, he knew she was homeless I guess and unfortunately in today's society he should have never let her in the house. Give her a ride to the nearest police station and drop her off. They'll know where the nearest homeless shelter is.

Too bad. but she still made a false allegation so RM is right.

T^T




CarpeComa -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 5:37:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.


No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.


'Because wimmen' was almost certainly a contributing factor. If the genders were reversed, do you think the cop would have been so aggressive in hauling the now female resident off to jail based on a male's accusation? If they were both women? Or if they were both men? This was, at least in part, due to the whole push to always believe a woman's accusations and the politically motivated crack-down on (only) male-perpetuated DV. So what if a few innocent people go through the grinder. They almost certainly were guilty of something. After all, where there is smoke there is fire and women never lie about such things. 'Listen and believe', right?




Termyn8or -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/17/2016 6:17:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.


No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.


'Because wimmen' was almost certainly a contributing factor. If the genders were reversed, do you think the cop would have been so aggressive in hauling the now female resident off to jail based on a male's accusation? If they were both women? Or if they were both men? This was, at least in part, due to the whole push to always believe a woman's accusations and the politically motivated crack-down on (only) male-perpetuated DV. So what if a few innocent people go through the grinder. They almost certainly were guilty of something. After all, where there is smoke there is fire and women never lie about such things. 'Listen and believe', right?


Gotta admit you have a point there.

T^T




NookieNotes -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 3:08:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

You're being disingenuous.


No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.


'Because wimmen' was almost certainly a contributing factor. If the genders were reversed, do you think the cop would have been so aggressive in hauling the now female resident off to jail based on a male's accusation? If they were both women? Or if they were both men? This was, at least in part, due to the whole push to always believe a woman's accusations and the politically motivated crack-down on (only) male-perpetuated DV. So what if a few innocent people go through the grinder. They almost certainly were guilty of something. After all, where there is smoke there is fire and women never lie about such things. 'Listen and believe', right?


It's 'Because officer' who broke the law, asking him to leave his home.

It's also not, as the subject says, "Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him." that was the issue.

It's not because he didn't allow her to stay.

  • It's because she lied, and because the officer chose to overreach, rather than actually follow the law.

  • It's because he was quarantined with shingles.

  • It's because the justice system in Harris County is broken.

    There are MANY factors at play here, and while she was the catalyst, there are so many other places to point fingers. In a lawsuit, she might get the bod, but the justice system would get the full brunt, not for believing her, but for what happened for the next month:

    quote:

    The arrest that would lead to more than two months in Harris County Jail and cause Cruz to lose his job and his car and almost his home, however, had nothing to do with assault — an accusation police and prosecutors agreed did not withstand scrutiny.


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    According to the deputy’s offense report, the woman had not a mark to show for it, and everything on the table, including a chess set, was neatly in order. In his report, the deputy mentions he punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.”


    quote:

    Even though Cruz spent more than two months in jail before prosecutors dismissed the interference case against him for lack of evidence, Cruz would see a judge only one time. He would not even be present at his own bail hearing, where defendants are — in theory — constitutionally guaranteed the right to tell a magistrate they can’t afford that bail amount or to ask for a personal bond. Unable to pay the $3,500 bail, Cruz waited in jail, and was actually quarantined in his pod with more than 20 others for the better of two months after one of them contracted shingles. Cruz could not leave to go to the rec room, the library, the chapel, not even to court, trusting that his court-appointed defense attorney would handle it.


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    Cruz’s case, however, also presented additional problems: For one, why was he never afforded a bail hearing, which, as Texas Criminal Justice Coalition attorney Jay Jenkins said, is supposed to be a constitutional right.


    Very simply, she started it, but Harris County, which has a number of lawsuits against it for crappy handling of cases, was the big fuck up here... and the article very clearly points out that many times this happens not to men accused of domestic violence, but to people falsely accused of drug charges, and even found innocent (after pleading guilty, to get out of their system somehow).

    Again, I state, disingenuous.




  • thishereboi -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 6:32:00 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: thishereboi


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

    Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

    You're being disingenuous.


    No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


    That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

    However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.


    'Because wimmen' was almost certainly a contributing factor. If the genders were reversed, do you think the cop would have been so aggressive in hauling the now female resident off to jail based on a male's accusation? If they were both women? Or if they were both men? This was, at least in part, due to the whole push to always believe a woman's accusations and the politically motivated crack-down on (only) male-perpetuated DV. So what if a few innocent people go through the grinder. They almost certainly were guilty of something. After all, where there is smoke there is fire and women never lie about such things. 'Listen and believe', right?


    Bless yer heart, you really believe that don't you.




    Real0ne -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 7:05:36 AM)

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    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: thishereboi


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

    Ummm. Refusing to let her stay with him is not the reason for what happened to him.

    You're being disingenuous.


    No it's not. It is totally fucked up. And nikki boy might have gotten a better response if he had focused on that instead of trying to make it another rant against the unfairness to men he sees in every situation.


    That's my point. The whole situation is fucked.

    However, it's not a "Because wimmen!" thing.


    'Because wimmen' was almost certainly a contributing factor. If the genders were reversed, do you think the cop would have been so aggressive in hauling the now female resident off to jail based on a male's accusation? If they were both women? Or if they were both men? This was, at least in part, due to the whole push to always believe a woman's accusations and the politically motivated crack-down on (only) male-perpetuated DV. So what if a few innocent people go through the grinder. They almost certainly were guilty of something. After all, where there is smoke there is fire and women never lie about such things. 'Listen and believe', right?


    It's 'Because officer' who broke the law, asking him to leave his home.

    It's also not, as the subject says, "Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him." that was the issue.

    It's not because he didn't allow her to stay.

  • It's because she lied, and because the officer chose to overreach, rather than actually follow the law.

  • It's because he was quarantined with shingles.

  • It's because the justice system in Harris County is broken.

    There are MANY factors at play here, and while she was the catalyst, there are so many other places to point fingers. In a lawsuit, she might get the bod, but the justice system would get the full brunt, not for believing her, but for what happened for the next month:

    quote:

    The arrest that would lead to more than two months in Harris County Jail and cause Cruz to lose his job and his car and almost his home, however, had nothing to do with assault — an accusation police and prosecutors agreed did not withstand scrutiny.


    quote:

    According to the deputy’s offense report, the woman had not a mark to show for it, and everything on the table, including a chess set, was neatly in order. In his report, the deputy mentions he punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.”


    quote:

    Even though Cruz spent more than two months in jail before prosecutors dismissed the interference case against him for lack of evidence, Cruz would see a judge only one time. He would not even be present at his own bail hearing, where defendants are — in theory — constitutionally guaranteed the right to tell a magistrate they can’t afford that bail amount or to ask for a personal bond. Unable to pay the $3,500 bail, Cruz waited in jail, and was actually quarantined in his pod with more than 20 others for the better of two months after one of them contracted shingles. Cruz could not leave to go to the rec room, the library, the chapel, not even to court, trusting that his court-appointed defense attorney would handle it.


    quote:

    Cruz’s case, however, also presented additional problems: For one, why was he never afforded a bail hearing, which, as Texas Criminal Justice Coalition attorney Jay Jenkins said, is supposed to be a constitutional right.


    Very simply, she started it, but Harris County, which has a number of lawsuits against it for crappy handling of cases, was the big fuck up here... and the article very clearly points out that many times this happens not to men accused of domestic violence, but to people falsely accused of drug charges, and even found innocent (after pleading guilty, to get out of their system somehow).

    Again, I state, disingenuous.



  • Its not just texas however.

    There is an unlimited amount of money to be made through the criminal [un]justice 'just-us' club in this country and that is exactly what and why they do it.

    If the country was 100% crime free they would still invent crimes to keep their jobs.

    It not just Harris county its the whole damn country and its built right into the system.

    US law is broken (actually its the way its always been) and we never seen it in our faces like we do now thanks to the internet. Seriously its always been this way and 'this way' has long since become a national institution.


    In fact if you take a closer look you will find that a lot of tickets are priced so its not quite worth hiring an attorney, so people instinctively take the cheapest way out.

    Bravo for this mans sacrifice to bring it into the open in a clear cut case that shuts down statist reprisal.

    We live in the land of institutionalized extortionist thugs and the legislatures and courts (especially the lower courts) have long since become interloping enablers. If you try to come in as a pro se' rest assured they will force you into an appeal usually from municipal to county, and for civil thats often after you run the gauntlet against several administrative hearings paying a fee each time, that are also in violation of your rights.

    The so called original intent and understanding of the republic was lost a long time ago


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI






    vincentML -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 12:52:16 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: respectmen

    http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-houston-man-who-refused-to-plead-guilty-does-not-want-an-apology-8667533

    Would this ever happen to a woman through the justice system?

    Apparently, much worse happens.

    In 1970 there were 8000 women in America's jails.

    By 2014 the number skyrocketed to 110,000.

    They are the fastest growing segment of America's jailed population.

    Over 80% are mothers.

    source




    longwayhome -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 6:00:50 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: respectmen

    http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-houston-man-who-refused-to-plead-guilty-does-not-want-an-apology-8667533

    Would this ever happen to a woman through the justice system?


    Seems to be a story about how the local justice system is screwed up more than a story about how men have it bad compared to women.

    Perhaps the police would be less likely to punch a woman in the face, but I don't see why potentially excessive incarceration and lack of realistic access to bail couldn't happen to either sex in such a broken system.




    Lucylastic -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 6:31:27 PM)

    I wrote this last year, Im repeating it here because of what happens to a lot of people in the justice system. We also had a pretty lengthy discussion on "Making of a Murderer" the state of detention centers and prisons for profits, however Im not going to dig them all up,

    quote:

    comply and sue later...yeah...that could work...it doesnt always
    Kalief Browder, Held at Rikers Island for 3 Years Without Trial, Commits Suicide
    Kalief Browder was sent to Rikers Island when he was 16 years old, accused of stealing a backpack. Though he never stood trial or was found guilty of any crime, he spent three years at the New York City jail complex, nearly two of them in solitary confinement.

    In October 2014, after he was written about in The New Yorker, his case became a symbol of what many saw as a broken criminal justice system. Mayor Bill de Blasio cited the article this spring when he announced an effort to clear the backlogs in state courts and reduce the inmate population at Rikers.

    For a while, it appeared Mr. Browder was putting his life back together: He earned a high school equivalency diploma and started community college. But he continued to struggle with life after Rikers.

    On Saturday, he committed suicide at his parents’ home in the Bronx.

    Jennifer Gonnerman, the author of the article in The New Yorker, said in an interview on Monday that it appeared he was never able to recover from the years he spent locked alone in a cell for 23 hours a day.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html?_r=0

    This came out months ago, its horrendous. ANd shows just how MUCH of the system is broken, and affects the poor and minorities the worst.
    its fine to blame them for their own arrests and deaths, as long as you dont have to admit that the system(cops, jails, wrongful arrests, lawyers, judges, sentencing, overcrowding, for profit prisons, juvies, etc etc.) is cracked.

    http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4828525







    Termyn8or -> RE: Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home (8/18/2016 7:09:57 PM)

    FR

    Feel free i the US ? It is an illusion. Freedom has always been an illusion. Total freedom is impossible unless you live in the forest or the jungle and in most places in the US not even then. No wonder other countries do not want our "freedom and democracy".

    I am ready to go. I do not know where. But I tell you this, I stay home. I go to work. I go to the store. I do not let anyone in the house. My gun is always loaded and at the ready. This is what your goddamn freedom and democracy have done for me. And I live in a suburb now. Back when I lived in the city I was alot freer with things but now there are other people involved. At my house, which I sold a few years ago, you could come in. I left the doors open and someone would knock and I would just yell "It's open". Not anymore.

    Beam me up Scotty, this place is not fit for human habitation. I am really pretty close to considering going to another country. Of course I cannot take my guns but you know what ? The responsibility of having a gun is getting tiring. I know I should be vigilant, but I am getting really old. Much more and I won't mind being "protected". Live in a secure place with no grass to mow or any of that anymore. Indoor garage, if I get a car, my eyesight might preclude me from getting a license though.

    Just a thought. I know I won't do it. It's just not me, but I can see why some people prefer it.

    I am not quite a recluse though, people do stop over and we hang in the garage, which is my Man cave. I got another cave in the basement but that has my bench and all kind of electronics stuff. Up in the house ? nobody. Not no more. Been ripped off too many times and and while perfectly willing to blow their heads off I have no leads and even if I could find out who they were I have no idea where they were.

    Things have changed. First of all I had a good job and when an expensive laptop got stolen I pretty much didn't care. I would blow their head off but I could not be sure who did it. I hang with three or four people now and am fine with that. The last bar I went to is about a block away, in walking distance. It was OK, had decent food and they had these tall beers for like $2.50, Bud Light draft. Well it got bought and the new owner pretty much doubled all the prices. And no more big beers. But I simply will not pay ten bucks for a fuckin hamburger. So, so much for that.

    As society gets more crowded, we get more alone. No more sitting on the front porch, shit, even yard sales are a thing of the past and with people on Craigslist wanting to meet at a police station parking lot, we are more alone than ever. I got enough friends and acquaintences for when I get bored, but I notice that they, like me, are not really out to meet new people anymore.

    In a world with seven fucking billion people.

    T^T




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