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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:02:59 PM   
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It is an inherited title and it is very specifically defender of the Protestant faith as originated by Henry VIII.

Ironically, though, wasn't the title originally bestowed on Henry by the pope to reward the king's defense of Roman Catholicism against Lutheranism?

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:04:09 PM   
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http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-worldwide-concern-over-too-many-immigrants-study-2016-8?IR=T

I'm certainly passionate about Australian values and don't want them forgotten from some other culture barging in expecting us to appease to their ways of life that don't mix here.


I suggest you move to an island in the middle of nowhere.. oh wait a minute, thats where you are..

I really dont know what yer bitchin' about, AU has pretty restrictive immigration policies...

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:05:59 PM   
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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:11:42 PM   
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It is an inherited title and it is very specifically defender of the Protestant faith as originated by Henry VIII.

Ironically, though, wasn't the title originally bestowed on Henry by the pope to reward the king's defense of Roman Catholicism against Lutheranism?

Yes... defense of catholicism.
But he got the title Fidei Defensor from the pope because he produced a pamphlet that blew the arguments of Lutheranism apart.

Strange that he adopted most of it for the basis for "Church of England" in defiance of the Vatican.


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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:23:43 PM   
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Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016.

There may not have been a government and laws that white people recognized, but there were certainly people living in North America before 1492 (to say nothing of 1600) with languages, cultures, and forms of governance of their own.


Again, moot point. The issues then are not the issues now. Trying to compare them is like comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing a non-centralized government to a central government. What were the laws on immigration in 1492? Did the settlers break them by arriving in this country?

I don't dispute that what happened to the Native American tribes has been and continues to be terrible. (I'm part Native American BTW) But, the reality is that you cannot compare the immigration of Europeans into this country more than 500 years ago to the issues of illegal immigration at this point in time. It's completely different set of issues.

We need to have legality, we need to make it easier for those that wish to immigrate here and have a job to get work visas (and pay taxes). Keep in mind that I'm in San Diego, so I have a front row seat to immigration issues.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:49:42 PM   
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I'm certainly passionate about Australian values and don't want them forgotten

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As a European ignoramus from beyondupper I am puzzled: What Australian values could be in danger of being forgotten?

As rm is usually bad in defining what he means by whatever I ask the other Australian posters: Please give us ignorants some examples of Australian values to be remembered.

I promise: I 'll try not to forget them in the future.


Umm, like maybe keeping rape illegal ?

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 3:51:42 PM   
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Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016.

There may not have been a government and laws that white people recognized, but there were certainly people living in North America before 1492 (to say nothing of 1600) with languages, cultures, and forms of governance of their own.

Just as there was when those people we call indigenous now came and took the land as their own.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 4:09:52 PM   
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There may be catholics as well as other religions here.
But we are officially a protestant country and as such, our judiciary is based upon protestant values generally.

If the catholics, or anyone else doesn't want to follow our laws - that's their choice.


Assuming that to be true, would it not be likely that there are mainly-Muslim societies that differ from one another greatly, too? One of the greatest differences, it seems to me, is that some are harsher on transgressions than others. IS - insofar as we can call it a culture - appear to believe that none of the others are harsh enough, for instance.

Good point Peon.

However, have you considered why there is always unrest in almost all of the Islamic countries??
That's because the Sunni and Shia hate each other to the extent that one is very likely to kill the other on sight just because of the difference in their versions of Islam.
And then there are the Aluwhites and Sufi's and various other Islamic offshoots.



Part of it is also meddling by the west. Iraq and Iran are perfect examples, and Syria is well on the way. Who the fuck was Gertrude Stein to draw lines on the map to throw these people together in what is now know as Iraq ? But what's done is done and since all these factions are forced to live together they require a tough government to keep down civil wars. Iraq should really be three countries.

One thing though, when the US goes in they are quite readily united by a common enemy that purports to be their liberator but nothing is farther from the truth. Go ahead and say the did not have elections under Saddam for example, but who put Saddam in power ? He was "Our boy in Bagdad". He was put there to antagonize Iran. It didn't work.

The US is going to have to learn that they are not the only people who prefer to govern themselves. We lost control of Iran, we lost control of Iraq, there is still a North Korea and Nam was a big mess and accomplished absolutely nothing. Syria is falling apart and Ukraine is on the brink of a real civil war. All results of the west meddling in affairs that are none of their business. (BTW I used the word "we" up there very loosely, I do not support any of this shirt and if I was draft age and invited to Nam I would be Canadian now)

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 4:16:03 PM   
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Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016.

There may not have been a government and laws that white people recognized, but there were certainly people living in North America before 1492 (to say nothing of 1600) with languages, cultures, and forms of governance of their own.


Yes and White Man took the land and killed most of them. Does that mean we have to give it away now ? Fuck no. When you do all that nasty shit to acquire something you do not give it away. What the settlers did to the natives of this country is a black mark on history that will never wash off. At least hold on to the booty.

If Muslims took over this country do you think they would treat the Natives any better ? Hell no, there goes your cheap cigarettes and almost fair gambling. (their overhead is lower)

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 4:20:53 PM   
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http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-worldwide-concern-over-too-many-immigrants-study-2016-8?IR=T

I'm certainly passionate about Australian values and don't want them forgotten from some other culture barging in expecting us to appease to their ways of life that don't mix here.


I suggest you move to an island in the middle of nowhere.. oh wait a minute, thats where you are..

I really dont know what yer bitchin' about, AU has pretty restrictive immigration policies...


Immigration and accepting supposed refugees are two different things. Especially when those refugees can't really be vetted because records are hard to find in war zones. For example, do you REALLY believe that in Sweden they just started reporting rapes when the Muslims got there ? I find that a bit far fetched.

It's OK though, if they keep this shit up they are going to find themselves in a position like Jews during WW2, nobody will take them.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 4:23:02 PM   
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You lost me there. We don't have enough jobs for our people.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:02:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peon... did you read through each of those?... If you did then you know none are mandates for the Christian religion today. Now don't get me wrong...no written word has been more construed to justify violence than the books of the God of Abraham. But today there is no incompatibility between the Christian Bible and the Constitution... I think.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:09:12 PM   
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Peon... did you read through each of those?... If you did then you know none are mandates for the Christian religion.

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I think what's considered to be mandates for the Christian religion has always been pretty flexible, Butch. It's varied according to time and place. For instance, in recent times Christians have bigged up the bits of the Bible that proscribe homosexuality, but minimised the bits about being avaricious and greedy. Religions always have to mesh without too much friction with other things going on in a given culture - and no religion is going to last long in capitalist societies if it remains intransigent in its denouncement of greed.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:14:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we are agreeing somewhat... but remember some, certainly not all, Christians may personally hold what they believe is a Biblical view of homosexuality... but having that belief is not incompatible with the law of the land. We are not throwing gays off tall buildings for instance.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:22:44 PM   
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I can't see any amendment being approved or passed by the government on this subtle change because the Synod would cause a huge uproar if they tried.


Well, it does seem that Chas has changed his mind more recently. It's going to be 'Defender of *the* Faith* after all. However, he's still insistent this is compatible with being a "protector of faiths" more generally.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/02/charles-vows-to-keep-defender-of-the-faith-title-as-king

... but in which case, I still have to wonder what 'defender of the faith' actually means, if he's not going to defend the Christian Church against other faiths flourishing here in Blighty. How can you defend or protect two faiths that contradict one another, for instance?

It wouldn't have been allowed in the good old days.


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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:31:13 PM   
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We are all immigrants.



I actually find that to be an invalid argument when someone posts that to support illegal immigration/refugee acceptance, etc. Simply because times are not the same. It compares apples and oranges. You can't compare what happened almost 400 years ago to what is happening today.








Why? because it is inconvenient to your personal mythology?

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:44:56 PM   
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It is an inherited title and it is very specifically defender of the Protestant faith as originated by Henry VIII.

Ironically, though, wasn't the title originally bestowed on Henry by the pope to reward the king's defense of Roman Catholicism against Lutheranism?

Correct. And thus, since the Pope bestowed the title, only the Poe may alter it.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 5:47:29 PM   
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Again, moot point. The issues then are not the issues now.

Spoken like a white person

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 7:35:38 PM   
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Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016 is comparing apples and oranges.


Actually there were millions of native amerikans here with laws and customs that we murdered and stole from.

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RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immig... - 8/23/2016 7:36:59 PM   
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I think we are agreeing somewhat... but remember some, certainly not all, Christians may personally hold what they believe is a Biblical view of homosexuality... but having that belief is not incompatible with the law of the land. We are not throwing gays off tall buildings for instance.

Mathew shepard was not tossed of a tall building but he is still pretty dead.


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