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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 11:06:13 AM

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He's a died-in-the-wool conservative, who, as far as I can tell, doesn't pretend to be anything other.

A conservative who, at the same time, managed to portray himself - quite successfully - as 'anti-establishment'. Hence, for instance, his description of the Brexit referendum win as a 'victory against the establishment'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3757485/Brexit-anti-establishment-victory-Nigel-Farage-tells-Trump-supporters.html

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If you mean he's anti-EU, then yeah, the majority in this country are.

... Were, to be precise, by a four percentage points, in the Brexit referendum. A few months, a year from now ... that very small majority might not exist in a second referendum, were there to be one.

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Don't tell me, you still think we're all stupid and if only we could see the light we'd be pro-EU?

Projection. I think some are stupid. Some I think are plain misguided or faulty in their reasoning. I think the same of people who disagree with me on any given subject. Don't you?

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I'm not a conservative, and I don't care who is in charge in the United States, and don't give a shite about the whole: "what is bad for the US is bad for the world" nonsense - but, were I have to an interest I would vote for anyone over Bill and Hillary Clinton - and for good reason.

I do care who's in charge of the USA because it has a major impact on world affairs. For instance, American foreign policy has had a lot to do with the security situation we face now, particularly in the Middle East. I also care for somewhat altruistic reasons: I don't want to see Americans having a hard time under a crap president.

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You think you're a very reasonable person and other people just can't grasp the broad caring, sharing principles of the left.

Projection, again. Firstly, though I'm left wing, I don't speak for the Left, I speak for myself. But yes, I do support principles that I think are caring and sharing, if I can. No apology for that. Secondly, as you must know, the Brexit vote wasn't just a right wing vote. There were many on the Left who supported it too. There's been a long tradition of left wingers - Tony Benn among them - who've been against the EU. Even Corbyn has, for most of his career, been highly critical of the EU.

I have no great love of the EU myself. I just happen, overall, to think it's a necessary institution in today's world.

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Actually, Hillary Clinton is demented. The worst type of career politician, and if you really think that what happens in the US will affect all of us then you should be very wary of Hillary Clinton becoming their president.

You might be right that she's not great and I do think there's a lot about her that's career-driven. But I don't think she's as outright ignorant,self-serving and off-her-trolley as Trump. To me he's in a league of his own amongst presidential candidates for that.

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In fact, The Don does have my support because I know that what you people say is generally a bad idea.

Hell, NG. Throw Godwin's law at me if you like, but that, to me, is *not* sensible. I don't, in truth, think Trump is a fascist, but I do think he *could* go that way as President, with the second qualifier that we'd be looking at a distinctly US type of fascism. I'd have thought that many right wingers - even American ones - see Trump as too far over to be acceptable.

As for the 'you people' ... again, there's just me talking, here. I don't think I've ever lumped your views in with every right-winger as though I can treat what you say as just part of some generic right wing view. So why are you doing the reverse?

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 1:06:08 PM

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And, what's wrong with putting a case forward for Trump?

He appeared in Mississippi. Mississippi? Good grief, our poorest and least educated populace. Nigel Farage? Brexit? UKIP? United Kingdom? You think those folks had a clue? The state is already counted in Trump's column. A wasted voyage of vanity, imo.

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She will do what she is told. In other words, more of the same of invading people's countries on the grounds of: "spreading democracy".

The carrot head took on a new campaign manager (his third) and a campaign CEO (whatever that is) as part of a deal, it is reported, with Billionaire hedge fund money out of NYC. His ship was sinking badly. It may have righted itself. You think he will not take orders if elected?

As far as "spreading democracy" . . . you might show some 'respect' for the false banner under which our mighty military empire has grown. Briton had her shot, now it is our turn to fuck up the world.

As for the EU . . . do you believe it will survive? I have serious doubts.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 1:22:26 PM

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I wonder just how much he took as a fee for supporting Donald Trump?

As opposed to the favours Hillary grants to those who support the Clinton foundation? I think you'll find corruption is - at the very least - even on this one.

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Nigel has a manic smile to say the least.

He's English. The practice of Dentistry is relatively unknown in that country.

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Somewhat like a rather naught autistic English public schoolboy.

Now see here: If you were saying this about a Leftist darling you'd immediately be called out for using autism as an insult. Since you're engaging in ad hominem against an enemy of the Left, they'll conveniently not notice this.

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His long suffering Wife is a German.

Given the divorce laws in the feminised hell that is Britain, if his wife is long-suffering, it's because she's chosen to stay with him. That implies he's a decent sort, not the opposite. I can only conclude from this opening salvo that you're something of a fucking moron who's unused to the practice of reason.

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He led a party dedicated to Brexit and when that party achieved its aim he quit as its leader for a second time in 15 months.

His aim was the removal of Britain from the EU, he had no aspirations to power. You see this as a bad thing? What are you, an English public schoolboy who likes bending over on a regular basis?

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The British be they cousins are not have no business in American politics and vice versa.

Which is completely apropos of fucking nothing. Have you counted your cunt hairs lately?

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Well 3 months to go and we shall know! A clown or a Woman shall occupy the White House in January

In this instance there's very little difference between the two. Both are venal, uninterested in the needs of the people and totally focused on their own egomaniacal pursuit of their desires.

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and Obama and his black presidency will be consigned to history.

What the fuck is a "black presidency", you fucking racist?

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Other people pull the puppeteer presidents strings.

No, you pitiful fuckwit, the PUPPETEER pulls the strings of OTHERS. That's why he's the fucking puppeteer. Christ, you don't know your ass from your elbow, do you?

DON'T ANSWER, IT'S A FUCKING RHETORICAL QUESTION YOU RETARDED GIMP!

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The President is allowed to do some things though not many. Other sinister forces control the Government and dictate policy no matter what political party or person may be in power. The French, Germans and Italians are now plotting how to keep the corrupt gravy train European Union in motion and preventing others from leaving.

Why yes, conspiracy theories are very much in vogue. Why, just the other day, I ran into an old friend who regaled me with tales of his interactions with the reptilian overlords.

Clearly you're a fine fellow of the constituency of the left. That is to say, ignorant ranting berks with precious little reason and a congenital lack of sanity.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 3:02:54 PM

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Now see here: If you were saying this about a Leftist darling you'd immediately be called out for using autism as an insult. Since you're engaging in ad hominem against an enemy of the Left, they'll conveniently not notice this.

Once again the eternal victim.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 3:26:00 PM

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Obama and his black presidency will be consigned to history.

I have to wonder what sort of moron thinks obama is president to only blacks.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 4:23:28 PM

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And, what's wrong with putting a case forward for Trump?
He appeared in Mississippi. Mississippi? Good grief, our poorest and least educated populace. Nigel Farage? Brexit? UKIP? United Kingdom? You think those folks had a clue? The state is already counted in Trump's column. A wasted voyage of vanity, imo.

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She will do what she is told. In other words, more of the same of invading people's countries on the grounds of: "spreading democracy".

The carrot head took on a new campaign manager (his third) and a campaign CEO (whatever that is) as part of a deal, it is reported, with Billionaire hedge fund money out of NYC. His ship was sinking badly. It may have righted itself. You think he will not take orders if elected?

As far as "spreading democracy" . . . you might show some 'respect' for the false banner under which our mighty military empire has grown. Briton had her shot, now it is our turn to fuck up the world.

As for the EU . . . do you believe it will survive? I have serious doubts.

I have had my doubts for a couple of decades Vincent. Germany and France want to have all the say, poorer economies will drag down higher performing ones. As I have said a common market, and even a defensive block was always a good idea. Full intergration, as wanted my many, not so much.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 5:49:43 PM

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I have had my doubts for a couple of decades Vincent. Germany and France want to have all the say, poorer economies will drag down higher performing ones. As I have said a common market, and even a defensive block was always a good idea. Full intergration, as wanted my many, not so much.

Do those wanting full integration think to mimic the 50 states on the west side of the Atlantic? There has been much gain from regulated interstate commerce and a common currency but our history and current political glue is diluted by cultural differences that persist to this day. We are distracted somewhat from those issues by perceived external threats fed to us. As if ISIS were an existential threat!

I see where the EU means to negotiate a hard case with the UK over exit. What could they do to hurt you, I wonder, Polite.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 6:05:48 PM

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As opposed to the favours Hillary grants to those who support the Clinton foundation? I think you'll find corruption is - at the very least - even on this one.

Within the past few weeks the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the criminal conviction of the former Governor of Virginia. They ruled that providing political access in return for gifts was not a corrupt act and not felonious. So, there you have it. It is dubious that communications between staff members providing access to the State Department for donors to the Foundation will lead to a prosecution absent any actual favors done by the Secretary of State, imo. There is no smoking gun. It was her job to receive supplicants at State. Furthermore, the sample involved was, we are told, only a small number of the visitors who came calling to State. So, just political bullshit. Not to say that Hillary is squeaky clean. Come on! She's a Pol, after all. You don't really expect purity, I hope.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 6:21:32 PM

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Within the past few weeks the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the criminal conviction of the former Governor of Virginia. They ruled that providing political access in return for gifts was not a corrupt act and not felonious. So, there you have it.

That was pretty quick.
It would seem that the supreme court essentially just told elected officials that they are free to sell access to their office to the highest bidder. If you want the government to listen to you, you had better be prepared to pay up.

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/28/2016 8:03:03 PM

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Within the past few weeks the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the criminal conviction of the former Governor of Virginia. They ruled that providing political access in return for gifts was not a corrupt act and not felonious. So, there you have it.

That was pretty quick.
It would seem that the supreme court essentially just told elected officials that they are free to sell access to their office to the highest bidder. If you want the government to listen to you, you had better be prepared to pay up.

I know you are only pretending to be surprised . . . lol!

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RE: He is a strange one that Nigel Farage! - 8/29/2016 3:29:00 AM

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Within the past few weeks the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the criminal conviction of the former Governor of Virginia. They ruled that providing political access in return for gifts was not a corrupt act and not felonious. So, there you have it.

That was pretty quick.
It would seem that the supreme court essentially just told elected officials that they are free to sell access to their office to the highest bidder. If you want the government to listen to you, you had better be prepared to pay up.

I know you are only pretending to be surprised . . . lol!

I am seldom surprised but I am often astonished.