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RE: God and BDSM - 9/5/2016 6:35:51 PM   
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This is a conundrum. First, we'd have to believe that Jesus is who the Christians say He is. If we accept that as resolved, we have to ask: In this one instance, did God refuse free will to one of us? Wasn't Jesus' reason for coming to earth to be crucified?


While I'm an agnostic, it's my understanding that Jesus was given a choice, and he took it.

Christ chose the path. Thus free will was exercised.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/5/2016 7:37:29 PM   
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Almost everything we humans do and would be generally considered right, we do using our own reason, intellect, sympathy, empathy, and logic, almost all of which is derived from secular humanism.

Reason, intellect, and logic are neither "derived" from secular humanism nor dependent upon it, and our brains are hard-wired for empathy.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/5/2016 7:49:24 PM   
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I think if You really want to find God there are many paths. Bdsm is one of them.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/5/2016 8:18:14 PM   
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I'm not Christian.

More importantly, I don't approve of people who reduce him to being the sex police.

You can create something from nothing but all you care about is what people do in the sheets?
That's something invented by men who were afraid someone else fathered a child.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/5/2016 8:24:25 PM   
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Jesus was asked to sum it all up and He did a pretty good job. First, love God with all your heart (i.e., be grateful for existing). Second, love your neighbor as yourself. Good stuff. The rest of it is just religion, and I do not pay it any mind. BDSM is not prohibited in those two simple tenets, so I have never had any spiritual crisis about it.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 1:55:36 AM   
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Almost everything we humans do and would be generally considered right, we do using our own reason, intellect, sympathy, empathy, and logic, almost all of which is derived from secular humanism.

Reason, intellect, and logic are neither "derived" from secular humanism nor dependent upon it, and our brains are hard-wired for empathy.

K.



Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) i.e., logic and reason over acceptance of dogma or superstition.

Almost all of which is what I wrote and the proper and free exercise of which, does indeed depend upon a complete disregard for religious dogma or superstitions.

The sociopath and psychopath has no empathy or wouldn't be one.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 4:25:06 AM   
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I think if You really want to find God there are many paths. Bdsm is one of them.

Certainly a lot of it seems to be informed by Foxe's Lives Of The Martyrs. Look at all the Saint Andrew's Crosses in every dungeon you see...
(Is it still catholics and jews who make up the two biggest chunks of the fetish scene?)

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 5:36:19 AM   
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God doesn't give a rats ass how people fuck, only molester-priests do.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 1:48:03 PM   
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I think if You really want to find God there are many paths. Bdsm is one of them.

Certainly a lot of it seems to be informed by Foxe's Lives Of The Martyrs. Look at all the Saint Andrew's Crosses in every dungeon you see...
(Is it still catholics and jews who make up the two biggest chunks of the fetish scene?)



I think that God desires devotion and suffering is definitely perhaps one of the most sincere ways we can show our sincere devotion in seeking God/the creator/however You think of and refer to Him. I think in that way God may Himself be a sadist.


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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 2:11:15 PM   
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I think that God desires devotion

So he's insecure?
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and suffering is definitely perhaps one of the most sincere ways we can show our sincere devotion in seeking God/the creator/however You think of and refer to Him.

How do you figure that?
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I think in that way God may Himself be a sadist.

The Christian God is a sadist in just about every way imaginable

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/6/2016 2:31:15 PM   
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I think that God desires devotion

So he's insecure?
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and suffering is definitely perhaps one of the most sincere ways we can show our sincere devotion in seeking God/the creator/however You think of and refer to Him.

How do you figure that?
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I think in that way God may Himself be a sadist.

The Christian God is a sadist in just about every way imaginable


I don't think God is insecure. I think we are manifestations of God and I think God wants us to recognize that... devotion and unconditional love is what everyone wants and needs deep down, starting first with loving ourselves that way. So our loving God is in some way God's way of loving Himself.

Suffering is probably the hardest path in life. Life in many ways is about suffering. Personally for me suffering for someone is more challenging than baking them a pie, for example.

I believe God is God. I don't put God in a box.


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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 4:48:45 AM   
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I think that God desires devotion

So he's insecure?
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and suffering is definitely perhaps one of the most sincere ways we can show our sincere devotion in seeking God/the creator/however You think of and refer to Him.

How do you figure that?
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I think in that way God may Himself be a sadist.

The Christian God is a sadist in just about every way imaginable


No, the Mosaic god. Killing whole populations, burning goats and children at the altar and all that. The Christian god is Christ and he supposedly put an end to that shit. Supposedly.

Supposedly.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 5:27:03 AM   
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If more "Christians" prioritised Christ's word over the old testament, that might be valid point.
Sadly, an awful lot of them don't, so anything Christ is supposed to have said or did is less relevant to them than a few bits of Leviticus and Exodus that they can use to justify irrational prejudices.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 5:33:09 AM   
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Leviticus was insane.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 5:53:08 AM   
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Some of it makes sense as hygience guidelines for people living in a desert during the early bronze age. The rest of it really doesn't.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 5:17:51 PM   
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If more "Christians" prioritised Christ's word over the old testament, that might be valid point.
Sadly, an awful lot of them don't, so anything Christ is supposed to have said or did is less relevant to them than a few bits of Leviticus and Exodus that they can use to justify irrational prejudices.

^This^

He stated he came to fulfill the Word, not to destroy (smash) it.

One small example. When Jesus was charged with working on the Sabbath by healing people, he pointed out that the Sabbath was made for man - as a much needed day of rest, which included the entire population (slaves, servants, laborers, etc.) - not man [to be enslaved by doctrine] for [the sake of observing] the Sabbath.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 6:29:38 PM   
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Some of it makes sense as hygience guidelines for people living in a desert during the early bronze age. The rest of it really doesn't.


i assume you meant hygiene and just misspelled or mistyped it.

I have been in a few quite interesting arguments about Mosiac law, which seems to include what Leviticus wrote. As crazy as some of it is, some makes sense if one opens their mind.

My Grandmother, Slovak, said she likes pork but it doesn't like her. It made her feel bad like her body simply did not want to digest it. It is possible that Hebrews have that condition more than average. My Mother (her daughter) seems to be developing the same condition. Not as severe but definitely noticeable. Even me, at only 56 years am getting to not like pork as much as I used to, even beef. Now I prefer chicken. I will eat pork and beef but it has to be cooked right, nice and spicy and fine grained and tender. But I actually prefer dark meat when it comes to poultry.

But in Biblical days they did not have refrigeration and all kinds of nasty shit grows in pork if you don't have it in the fridge or freezer. chris Rock (a very good Black comedian) said they said "God said don't eat it" as was killing people. There might have been something to that per another argument about circumcision.

It is possible that Hebrews as a race were more susceptsible to a condition known as phimosis. (just like Blacks and sickle cell) Phimosis is a condition that the opening in the foreskin it not big enough and the glans of the penis is trapped. However it is known that infants do get erections and when that happens the glans can prolapse. When that happens the kid cannot urinate and will die unless something is done. Now think about doing this surgery, it is a surgeon's nightmare. So it is possible that circumcision was preventative maintenace.

As far as not eating shellfish and certain other types of animals it is possible that their race had allergies to them. There are people who need to go to the hospital if you even open a bag of peanuts next to them, a school has a strict ban on peanuts because one student there has such a severe allergy.

And allergies being inheritable makes a case that they are because of being inbred, and they are. Now they share DNA with the Ashkenazis but that is only one other race, or subspecies. Modern science indicates that it is not enough diversity for viability. Also, the sperm count of Jewish males is so down that sperm banks won't take their jism. I shit you not.

The shit I say about Jews is mainly about Israel, not the People. I hope that when the shit hits the fan that the enemies of the US understand that many of us did not support them fucking up their countries for oil. Generally Jews have done alot of good in the scientific fields. Of course not for free but neither would I. But they can barely keep up with the replacement rate when it comes to reproductivity. And they won't mate with the darker races who could give them 12 kids. And certain countries, I forget which, are saying they will pay immigrants to get the fuck out and also that they will pay natives, well Whites, to have more kids. Those countries are up north somewhere, I do not remember which.

And then scum like Bill Gates feeds the dark races and gives them vaccines. So you feed two now then they have 12 kids. You feed them and they have 144 kids. You feed them and they have 1,728 kids.

You dumb fuck, you just made 1,726 people suffer !

And get this, god did not provide for them. Why ?

If there is a god, it does not give a flying fuck what goes on here. If it did, there is no fucking way history could have taken the path it did. No fucking way.

When I was a kid I remember thinking about Grampa sometimes when doing something kinky while jacking off. Well I got rid of those notions. they can't look down and see what you are doing. Even the most crazy religious texts do not even begin to claim that.

And even if they did it would be total bullshit. Just like the rest of it. The bottom line is that god does not care what the gfuck you do even if it exists. Period.

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 7:04:31 PM   
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I don't think God is insecure.

If he needs or craves our devotion then he is.
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I think we are manifestations of God

No we are God, each and everyone of us, as are all the plants and animals, all are God, and God is the totality of existence.
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Life in many ways is about suffering.

Only if you chose to see it as such

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/7/2016 8:26:36 PM   
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I don't think God is insecure.

If he needs or craves our devotion then he is.
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I think we are manifestations of God

No we are God, each and everyone of us, as are all the plants and animals, all are God, and God is the totality of existence.
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Life in many ways is about suffering.

Only if you chose to see it as such


If we are God (and i'm not saying you're wrong) than why are so many of us so fucked up. Are murderers God? Are evil people God?

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RE: God and BDSM - 9/8/2016 4:32:16 AM   
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Leviticus wasn't a person: the name supposedly comes from the Levites, who were one of the tribes of Israel.

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