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WhoreMods -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 10:09:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 ...I don't do sarcasm either. It shows.

kkaliforniaa -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 11:42:18 AM)
quote: Original: markyugen I can't believe this tired debate is even still happening n 2016, but I guess the rise of Trump is unleashing a lot of mindless crypto-misogyny aching to find release for its long-repressed, reactionary voice. This has nothing to do with Trump running for office. People believed this sort of thing quote: "Hell, even in the 80's we had what we called "the company pap smear" where potential female drivers were sent upstairs to give the owner a blowjob. Those who did were hired. I used to have the girls I managed give Me one while I counted out the till each night at closing. And guess what- they had fun with it. People didn't take themselves nearly as seriously, "sexual harrassment" was considered playing around. My experience was that women were much more used to being objectified, particularly in public, and many were very comfortable with it (as some still are). I used to slap waitresses on the ass routinely, as did many, and they would laugh. And not spit in your food, or freak like someone was trying to fuck them, or act like their "safe space" was invaded. Nobody got uptight that I ever saw (I'm sure some did) and it was a much better time to live in, as a Male (I'm sure you would disagree)." before he was running for office, and they'll believe it long after Trump has faded away. Being the person who started this post, I was simply wondering if this sort of behavior/thinking was common and acceptable/appropriate. It seems like the majority agrees that this is not [acceptable].

debydeb -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 11:53:40 AM)
gotta give the boss a blow job to get the job... i would report him...what an asshole and so are you for making them do you i find you an asshole as well.... i wish someone would have reported your ass... this makes me fumming

kkaliforniaa -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 12:27:20 PM)
quote: Original: debydeb what an asshole and so are you for making them do you i find you an asshole as well.... i wish someone would have reported your ass... this makes me fumming Um! First, the majority have responded, agreeing that this is not acceptable [of which I agree], but it was also common practice for the day [the 1980s. Perhaps you weren't paying attention to what was written.. Although an article from BBC suggests behavior like this was occuring as far back as the 1930s http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23489444 And throughout history, past AND present, if women wanted to advance their status all it took was "sleeping" with the right people. BUT it was the woman's choice to "sleep" with people if she wanted to advance her status!] Second, are you calling ME an asshole for letting someone have sex with ME to get a job? If so, 1. if I'm a victim, you have just called a victim an asshole. That's awfully kind of you to say [that last bit was sarcasm by the way]. 2. you don't know me, I'd prefer it if you didn't call me names 3. it is MY choice who I have sex with! If I want to have sex with an employer to get a job, that is for ME to decide [maybe I'm horny all the time and find that to be a perk of the job]. I don't judge you for your sex life, don't judge mine! 4. if someone REALLY needs a job, as someone said on the previous page quote: And they got away with it because those bosses were of a mindset that if she wanted the job enough, she'd put up with it. they'll do anything to get one and or keep it. Unless you've been in that situation please don't judge, and DEFINATELY don't call people names, that's beyond uncalled for, disrespectful!

catize -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 1:54:52 PM)
It may have been an accepted practice, but it was never appropriate.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 2:24:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize It may have been an accepted practice, but it was never appropriate. It was the accepted thing.... in the day. The 'appropriateness' of it was never really questioned until recent times. So to say it was 'never appropriate' is actually quite a misnomer. At the time, it sort-of 'came with the job' so to speak. We are judging old values by today's modern standards. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing [:)]

catize -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 3:06:03 PM)
When it was questioned has nothing to do with its appropriateness.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 3:26:49 PM)
quote: it was also common practice That does not change the fact that those who did it were assholes.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 3:32:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize When it was questioned has nothing to do with its appropriateness. Back in the day.... it wasn't usually questioned at all. You are judging old values with modern day standards of morality and equality that didn't exist in those days.

kkaliforniaa -> RE: Appropriate practice (9/5/2016 4:09:56 PM)
Actually, I think catize might win this one [I think she meant the behavior, regardless of hindsight, is inappropriate]. You are right too freedomdwarf1, it's by hindsight that changes are made, even if hindsight is just one day.. But unless "old values" occurred at every workplace, one could infer that some to many people found this to be immoral [I would imagine many religious people would be outraged]. The problem becomes that if it didn't affect you why stir up trouble [which occurs in any era], or people thought "it's okay because everyone else is doing it" or "she's not saying 'no'.".. Here we are, nearly 40 years later [from the topic date, 1980s], and we're having to address "Yes means Yes". I think the issue lies not in the times, but the people who allow[ed] such practices. We still have people [youths] who believe such primitive things. If you look back on us in 40 odd years, you might still say "old values" and all that, even though there are people who don't believe in XYZ. Also, wasn't there more equality in the '80s [than in the 1950s]?

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