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Lucylastic -> Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/9/2016 5:56:04 PM)
BREAKING NEWS Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan that could lead to joint military efforts against Islamic jihadists Friday, September 9, 2016 7:54 PM EDT Russia and the United States reached agreement early Saturday on a new plan to reduce violence in the Syria conflict that, if successful, could lead for the first time to joint military targeting by the two big powers against Islamic jihadists in Syria. The agreement was reached after 10 months of failed cease-fires and suspended efforts for a political settlement in the Syria war, which began more than five years ago, has left nearly a half-million people dead and created the biggest refugee crisis since World War II. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/world/middleeast/us-and-russia-reach-new-agreement-on-syria-conflict.html?emc=edit_na_20160909&nlid=69606674&ref=cta

Lucylastic -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/9/2016 5:57:04 PM)
I have to wonder, if Putin told Trump this was in the works?????

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/9/2016 6:26:38 PM)
The way the BBC reported it, that was part of a peace plan which allowed all sides to negotiate for 6 months followed by the resignation of asshat and forming a new government. I can't see him standing down. Not a snowballs. If he is prepared to barrel-bomb his own people, kill civillians and destroy hospitals just because they are held by non-government rebels who are fighting ISIS, I really can't see asshat giving up his seat at the end of 6 months. I think he's just like Sadass - will cling on to power until he's captured or killed.

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/9/2016 8:54:10 PM)
Hey FD, do you live in Syria ? What do you think of Castro, did you live in Cuba ? What do you think of Chavez, did you live in Venezuela ? What do you think of Mossadeq, did you live in Iran ? What do you think of Putin, do you live in Russia ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/9/2016 9:09:55 PM)
"I can't see him standing down. Not a snowballs. If he is prepared to barrel-bomb his own people," Ruby Ridge. Waco. Kent State. Add some foreign intervention suppporting going against the government and you will see cities in flames, from the government actions. What, you think people in other countries are just going to let themselves get taken over ? Would you ? Get an objective view of this shit. They don't put up with this fucking shit any more than we would. Or the government. Those people causing the trouble are financed by other countries. If that shit happened here the sewers would overflow with blood. And every nasty chemical that Porton Down could come up with would be used to the point where it would displace the chemicals used in fracking. You call one thing terrorism and the same thing shock and awe. It is not a matter of what is done it is a matter of who does it. Wanna talk about getting bit in the ass. Just wait. Twenty bucks a loaf for Wonderbread. (which is garbage) Twelve bucks a gallon for gasoline. And you won't be able to afford a TV so like in the 1960s you'll go watch with neighbors. But back then it was because they had a color TV this time it will be because it works. Cars ? Forget about it. Own your house ? No fucking way. You got no fucking idea how it is going to get, and it is inevitable. That half a fucking trillion dollar military budget is not going to cut it much longer, it will have to be doubled at leastm and then we got another bank bailout coming. And thenb there are the unfunded liabilities, and now on top of that we got a new form of theft called the ACA, or Obamacare, or Romneycare, you pick the name, it will all happen the same. You might live to curse FDR. Even Lincoln had a hand in this shit, it was a long process to make way for banks and big business to own us. You Black people, they did not free you, they took us, now we be equal. This will become apparent in years to come. You are not free and neither are we. T^T

WhoreMods -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 4:41:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I have to wonder, if Putin told Trump this was in the works????? Fucksake, Lucy, If you were Putin, would you?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 5:15:42 AM)
Termy, you spout sooo much shit going on in the US that we just don't have or at least to nowhere the same degree. Objective view of this shit? I see it in unbiased (or very nearly) news media here. Not like your very biased news in the US. Terrorism is vastly different from an internal uprising by the local people. But I do agree, we shouldn't have intervened in most situations. Gasolene?? It's already nearly $8 a gallon here and it was almost $13 a gallon 18 months ago. You guys have it good with your subsidised gas. As for the ACA, we have proper socialised healthcare here. Vastly cheaper, no exclusions, no insurance policy needed.

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 6:46:03 AM)
"Termy, you spout sooo much shit going on in the US that we just don't have or at least to nowhere the same degree." You think I like it ? These greedy motherfuckers want their fingers in everyone's pie. The way you put that it looks like you don't believe it, and it is not just going on inside the US. that would be bad enough but they have to make enemies all over the world. The UK does not have the resources to piss off as many people as the US. But I bet Blair would have if he could have. I am not sure about your current regime but they are not going against the US regime at this time. Actually they know better and just like any fucking wimps they want to be on the side that is wining. What people do not realize is that is going to change. The US military is spread so think it is ridiculous. There ain't even enough left here to defend this country. In fact a lone gunman can walk into a military base and kill a bunch of them. There is more than one suicide a day and a full third of them are on psychotropic drugs, mostly antidepressants. They come from a life with no future, their only other chance was to deal drugs but there are alot of drug dealers already. No money for education, public schools suck and they got no skills. That is why they are in the military. They had nowhere else to go. Maybe a few did, but they generally go into the air force, navy or marines. Those branches have alot better training. If you can physically survive the marines great, but coming out of the navy or air force you generally have more brain training in whatever, like skills, electronics, machines and whatever. But none of them take just anyone. Even the army doesn't take just anyone. Used to be when a kid got in trouble and might go rto prison he would join the army. Them days are over. If the US is to continue this shit they will probably have to bring back the draft. Remember in Iraq they had to institute that "stop loss" program. When you are supposed to be done and go home and they say you have to stay, how is that different from the draft ? Thing is, Russia is not stupid. No matter what anyone says, if there is a joint effort Russia will have Assad in power. There is no reason for him to be put out anyway. He's just a typical middle east ruler, no better or worse than any of them. the problem is that the US (corporate interests) wants hi to do something he is not willing to do. The US does not care about the People of Syria one iota. Never did never cared about any people anywhere, just money. Even opposing apartheid in South Africa, I bet they figured putting Blacks in power would make it easier to fuck them over. then they tried that in Rhodesia and it blew up in their faces but they never learn. We need non-interventionalism. We need to stay out of the affairs of other countries and Peoples. They just don't get it and We The People pay the price. That Priest they killed by cutting his throat did nothing to them, they said "You Christians kill us so we kill you" or something to that effect. And some Canadians are getting worried about being known by association. So anyway, back to the OP. So now Russia and the US are going into a joint venture to get rid of Al Qaeda which the US, Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia fund. Do I got this right ? Sound like a ton of fun. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 6:55:17 AM)
"Gasolene?? It's already nearly $8 a gallon here and it was almost $13 a gallon 18 months ago. You guys have it good with your subsidised gas. " A good piece of that is taxes, and you at least get something out of it. We don't. What's more when you buy a house there you don't need car insurance with a million dollar limit because of pain and suffering here for a broken arm. You got socialized medicine and I bet part of those taxes goes for that. You want to insure your car fine, but you do not have those fifty million dollar lawsuits for a broken leg or some shit. Gasoline is not subsidised here either. It is taxed. In fact the taxes amount to more than the oil companies make on it. You want subsidised gasoline go to Iran, used to be in Venezuela but that place went to shit when Chavez died. There are a few other countries. Actually there are countries that share the profits from their natural resources with the People, and we ain't one of them. You think I sound like I am pissed off about it ? Damn right I am. Now they are wrecking the water table with fracking, though a couple of state have outlawed it I think. No matter what these idiots think, Putin is not going to take part in anything that gets rid of Assad. I'd like to play poker with Putin, I bet he is a first class gambler. Actually, Nixon was. There would have been one hell of a game. T^T

JeffBC -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 10:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The way the BBC reported it, that was part of a peace plan which allowed all sides to negotiate for 6 months followed by the resignation of asshat and forming a new government. In other words, it's a bullshit propaganda event by Obama & Friends. What we are saying, in essence, is "If you install our puppet government that NONE of you want then we won't bomb you." I have a hard time getting behind that.

WhoreMods -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 10:13:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC What we are saying, in essence, is "If you install our puppet government that NONE of you want then we won't bomb you." That's the American way, sadly.

Lucylastic -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/10/2016 1:38:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I have to wonder, if Putin told Trump this was in the works????? Fucksake, Lucy, If you were Putin, would you? If I was Putin, Id be laughing at what a total dick I made out of him, without saying a word.

WhoreMods -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/11/2016 4:39:42 AM)
Wasn't the practice of leaking information that you wanted the other side to hear to people who were incapable of keeping their traps shut about anything one of the stock tactics for spreading disinformation during the cold war?

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia and the United States have agreed on a Syria plan (9/11/2016 5:26:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Wasn't the practice of leaking information that you wanted the other side to hear to people who were incapable of keeping their traps shut about anything one of the stock tactics for spreading disinformation during the cold war? What you might not know is that the whole cold war was a joint plot by the US and USSR to gain popular support for an extreme military buildup, totally shadowing what any other countries could do at the time. They were never going to attack each other. Ever. In the beginning it was different, with both sides building the best possible, but each side fell in the development area. The US went for quantity and that has its advantages, or did until the F-35 ad a few other gaffs. Russia went for quality but in the USSR days they could not trust their workers, therefore planes and whatever else made there could have insidious faults. However now Russia has a happy populace with jobs and money and stuff in the stores to buy. in the meantime the US is decimating its workers worse every year, taxing the shit out of them with the ACA, removing any and all regulations a company wants gone and placing more regulation on the people. And devaluating the money. Soon it will be we saying "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work", and that shit was the REAL cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Not anything the US did. We couldn't force them to spend a fucking dime. We could not tell them what to plant in what fields or how to build cars or any of that shit. The PEOPLE sabotaged the economy there. And we are getting to that point here. I have seen it at work. The more mature governments of Europe and some other places, even China actually, have learned apparently that happy people are productive people. China is having a hard time because they got too many people but they are making progress. Europeans have about the same rights as we do here except for the guns, but then they have a better system and education and they breed fewer criminals. OK, lately they are sorry to have taken in the type of people who think it is OK for a forty year old to marry an eight year old, but you know a gun is not the only killing tool in the world. I got a camshaft for a 1960s Chevy V8 that'll leave a mark on your cerebral cortex like you won't forget. Anyway, this agreement about Syria, who the fuck is Russia and the US to decide their future in the first fucking place ? That is a sovereign country and every dollar that the US Saudi Arabia Israel and Egypt have put in there was unlawful. Only Russia supported the lawful government there or maybe Iran did too. Russia and Iran acted within international law. That is the fact jack, if you don't like it be ignorant. How would you like a foreign country financing an insurrection in your country ? Well the US has been doing it constantly for over 100 years and has made enemies out of almost everyone. They forced down the Ecuadorian Presidential jet to see if Assange was on it to search it like a traffic stop in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE. This is an act of war. What the fuck would happen if another country did that to Air Force One ? I got one piece of advice, just don't leave the country. Even though them foreigners don't have guns, they got knives, hammers, of course the garat, one of the better French inventions, and fists and alot better health than we do because people don't get rich when they get sick. As shown recently they also have knives capable of slitting one's throat, and they will do it. Don't leave the country. By the way, you don't see the US picking on Russia over Snowden. Wonder why not ? Because fucking bullies only pick on those that cannot fight back, and that is the same reason they are not in China straightening the South China Sea out to their liking. They are fucking pussies. They won't even pick on someone their own size. I am so ashamed of this government I want to crawl in a fucking hole and die. Got to go buy a shovel. T^T

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