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Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 2:09:47 AM   
KenDckey


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The justices left in place a decision by a federal district judge in Michigan who in July suspended a law that abolished straight-ticket voting, the practice of using one mark to vote for all candidates from one party, finding that it would disproportionately affect black voters.


Although technically only affecting one state, it has the potential to affect all 40 states. You cannot vote forr only one party. Leaves the question, since MI residents must now check numerous boxes to cast their vote, does it also require you to vote cross party lines even if you don't like any of those candidates and if you vote straight ticket (thru the multiple ticket markings) will your vote be thrown out?
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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 2:16:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you misread. The judge blocked a law banning the option to mark a single box to vote a straight ticket. The Republican goal of the law was to make it take significantly more time to vote, which would disproportionately impact black voters because urban areas already tend to be allocated fewer voting resources per capita and have longer lines to begin with.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 3:13:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		You might be correct. I wasn't tho considering which party wanted the ban. I didn't see that as relevant.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 8:17:16 AM   
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You might be correct. I wasn't tho considering which party wanted the ban. I didn't see that as relevant.

You don't think "consider the source" is good advice? I do. It is an absolute given that both parties are deeply and seriously corrupt. But by knowing which party is trying to push the corruption on me I can sometimes sort out what the underlying reasons are (beyond, of course, the self-enrichment of that party's elite and paymasters).

I like to know who's lying to me even if I can't always understand why. I am deeply suspicious of either party making any challenge or contest to the electoral system. We already know both are wanting to rig the elections any way they can. The only election reform I want to see right now is a return to paper ballots and an overhaul of how the votes are counted so that at least minimal data security measures are put in place.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 9:03:28 AM   
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-supreme-court-rejects-michigan-straight-ticket-voting-141319365.html?ref=gs
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The justices left in place a decision by a federal district judge in Michigan who in July suspended a law that abolished straight-ticket voting, the practice of using one mark to vote for all candidates from one party, finding that it would disproportionately affect black voters.

Although technically only affecting one state, it has the potential to affect all 40 states. You cannot vote forr only one party. Leaves the question, since MI residents must now check numerous boxes to cast their vote, does it also require you to vote cross party lines even if you don't like any of those candidates and if you vote straight ticket (thru the multiple ticket markings) will your vote be thrown out?


What happened to 10 states?!? Did I miss something yesterday?!?

I support not being enabled to check on box to vote straight party, regardless of party.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 10:10:08 AM   
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I support not being enabled to check on box to vote straight party, regardless of party.

Warning, I haven't researched the details of this particular case.

In a vacuum, I do to. I'd prefer if people actually had to think about it. But things don't occur in a vacuum. If, as stated, we add "longer time to vote" to "reduced polling stations and reduced polling times" then I see the problem. I stand against the election fraud routinely committed by both parties.


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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 10:57:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
You might be correct. I wasn't tho considering which party wanted the ban. I didn't see that as relevant.

You don't think "consider the source" is good advice? I do. It is an absolute given that both parties are deeply and seriously corrupt. But by knowing which party is trying to push the corruption on me I can sometimes sort out what the underlying reasons are (beyond, of course, the self-enrichment of that party's elite and paymasters).

I like to know who's lying to me even if I can't always understand why. I am deeply suspicious of either party making any challenge or contest to the electoral system. We already know both are wanting to rig the elections any way they can. The only election reform I want to see right now is a return to paper ballots and an overhaul of how the votes are counted so that at least minimal data security measures are put in place.

I take it you are having a problem with the News Service. That sir is the source of the article. Sorry to hear that you don't like them. Personally I don't have a problem with Rueiters. But that is me.

As to your "absolute", Sir I suggest you contact DOJ with your proof. If I had proof I would.

As for rigging the vote. I believe it happens, just can't prove it. If I could I would go to the DOJ.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 11:51:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Appeals Court blocks Kansas, Alabama, Georgia on voter ID rule
A U.S. Court of Appeals on Friday blocked an effort by Alabama, Georgia and Kansas for voters to furnish proof of citizenship when registering at the polls, which opponents say disenfranchises voters, especially minorities.

The decision effectively strikes down a rule that requires voters in the three states to provide proof they are United States citizens. Elsewhere, voters only need swear that they are citizens in order to cast a ballot.

"With just weeks to go before a critical presidential election, we are grateful to the court of appeals for stopping this thinly veiled discrimination in its tracks," Chris Carson, president of the League of Women Voters, which had sued to block the new requirements, said in a statement.

Conservatives in Republican-controlled states have moved to tighten voter identification rules ahead of the Nov. 8 election.

Supporters say tougher rules help prevent fraud, but in-person voter impersonation on election day is virtually non-existent, a 2012 study at Arizona State University showed. Opponents, mostly Democrats, say the rules discriminate against minorities.

Seven percent of Americans do not have proof of U.S. citizenship such as a birth certificate, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

The Appeals Court of the District of Columbia said the League of Women Voters had shown there would be irreparable harm if the rule was permitted, and had also shown it was likely to win the case on its merits.

more at the link http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-voterid-idUSKCN11G020

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 12:02:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		ken he's not talking about the source of the article, but rather the source of the law.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/10/2016 5:14:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I take it you are having a problem with the News Service. That sir is the source of the article. Sorry to hear that you don't like them. Personally I don't have a problem with Rueiters. But that is me.

My opinion of American news sources when it comes to politics cannot be understated. In this case it looks like a fairly factual argument with some right-wing spin on the ball but not enough to occlude what actually happened. I read it as a pretty straight-forward issue much like the two lower courts. It would appear that the bill is about more than just straight-ticket voting.

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As to your "absolute", Sir I suggest you contact DOJ with your proof. If I had proof I would.

Your presumption is that the DOJ cares. The system is working as intended.

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As for rigging the vote. I believe it happens, just can't prove it. If I could I would go to the DOJ.

Me too... but again, the DOJ doesn't actually care nor does the FEC. Well, actually, they sometimes care about attempts like this one and it got headed off. But on the more direct vote tampering they have no interest.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 6:19:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
You might be correct. I wasn't tho considering which party wanted the ban. I didn't see that as relevant.

You don't think "consider the source" is good advice? I do. It is an absolute given that both parties are deeply and seriously corrupt. But by knowing which party is trying to push the corruption on me I can sometimes sort out what the underlying reasons are (beyond, of course, the self-enrichment of that party's elite and paymasters).

I like to know who's lying to me even if I can't always understand why. I am deeply suspicious of either party making any challenge or contest to the electoral system. We already know both are wanting to rig the elections any way they can. The only election reform I want to see right now is a return to paper ballots and an overhaul of how the votes are counted so that at least minimal data security measures are put in place.


In this case the left is pushing straight ticket voting. Their claim is the lines are too long at the polling centers in democratic areas and it takes too long to go through and look at each candidate we elect. I am not sure why they didn't try to get more polling sites but much like the voter id, they seem more interested in screaming foul than actually trying to fix the problem. And there is no doubt it's faster to vote straight party. I used to do it when I first started voting and was still a democrat and you were in and out in no time. I didn't have to check out any of the judges, like that asshat democrat who gave Brock 6 months for rape, I just voted them in along with the others because they had a D next to their name and that's what straight party voting does. The left doesn't want you to stop and think about each candidate and apparently the right does.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 4:30:09 PM   
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I think you misread. The judge blocked a law banning the option to mark a single box to vote a straight ticket. The Republican goal of the law was to make it take significantly more time to vote, which would disproportionately impact black voters because urban areas already tend to be allocated fewer voting resources per capita and have longer lines to begin with.

Oh ya, that's a clever republican trick. We all understand that black people cant take an extra five minutes to vote. Jees...are you listening to yourself?

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 5:50:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PetBoyOwner

I think you misread. The judge blocked a law banning the option to mark a single box to vote a straight ticket. The Republican goal of the law was to make it take significantly more time to vote, which would disproportionately impact black voters because urban areas already tend to be allocated fewer voting resources per capita and have longer lines to begin with.


That is one hell of a stretch of what liberals call logic, even for liberals. Blacks are disproportionally unemployed more so they got all the time in the world. What fucks them up ? Their air conditioned $30,000 SUVs in the welfare office parking lot ?

No, limited voting time fucks up people with jobs, and most of them are White. And, with republicans wanting like people to show ID to vote and democrats don't, yet the democrats winning, what does that tell you ? It tells me they are getting away with a shitload of vote fraud. Just because they don't get caught doesn't mean it didn't happen.

They are fucking winning, the ones who are losing want verification that dead people and illegals are not voting for these sickening liberals.

But your logic goes along with what you want to think, so go ahead. You will learn the fucking hard way when your country really hits the ground. You'll maybe make $50,000 a year and still qualify for food stamps because a loaf of bread will be twenty bucks. But that is OK with you and all the old people with money in the bank lose, their life savings wiped out by devaluation of the currency that is caused by "them" just printing it willy nilly.

You think the republicans shutting down governmenty those couple of times was a bad thing ? Fuck no, they were doing their job, and in those actions they were trying to curb this outrageous spending.

Unfortunately I think they wanted that money for the military, but the democrats also took the AIPAC money and voted in the funding for a war against Iran as well. They are just as bad warmongers as long as they get paid. And Hillary Clinton is the worst of them.

You take this world. I am near the end of life and have no kids. In a way I don't give a fuck what you do. I'm here to discuss and give my opinion and read that of others, but every year I get closer to the end and it matters less and less to me. My only concern might be that I have some young second cousins, but they are in good hands. They'll take the world in hand like I used to, they are being raised by the types of people who raised me. The difference is I am too old to fight anymore. Half blind and half dead. I am spent.

But go ahead and go liberal and when the next Stalin comes around you put up with it. It is coming to you unless you guard against it.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 5:55:34 PM   
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And, with republicans wanting like people to show ID to vote and democrats don't, yet the democrats winning, what does that telly you ? It tells me they are getting away with a shitload of vote fraud.
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Tells me that democrats can read the constitution, as well as SCOTUS, and that nutsuckers are fraudulent unconstitutional shiteaters.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 6:16:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I support not being enabled to check on box to vote straight party, regardless of party.
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I have to agree. Voting straight party means you do not care what the candidates say or anything you are just voting the party.

Know what ? Let them vote straight party and throw their vote in the fucking dumpster because it was not rational.

I do NOT support universal suffrage. I think that at least half of the people in this country should not be allowed to vote, samong them, people who don't work. I am not talking people currently between jobs ar whatever in November, I mean third generation welfare and shit like that. I mean you have to have at least ONE W-2 to vote.

Damn, the liberals would go crazy over that. But if you never worked on the books, what gives you the right to vote ? In fact, even though you did, if you go through the process to become a non-taxpayer you can no longer vote, why the fuck should some punk who never worked a day in his life have the right to vote ?

Others have had other ideas, there was a time when there was a poll tax, also in some places only property owners could vote. Actually I support that but only for tax levies for improvement in the infrastructure. Renters should not be allowed to vote to raise property taxes on their landlords. If I was renting property and some stupid bill got passed raising my property taxes I would stick it to the tenants DOUBLE. I know how to write a lease.

It's just like I can't vote for the governor of Texas. People who do not own property have no right to vote on property taxes, but they are able to here because of that universal suffrage.

Fuck all that.

And then, renters vote for tax levies to "improve" the local schools because the have kids and just figure they'll stick the landlord with the bill for it even when the landlord has no kids in those schools. What the fuck right do they have to do that ? Granted, legally they are enabled to do it but the right to do it ? Nope. That landlord did not fuck your olady and make them kids, they are your problem, not his.

but the law in this country is apparently written by 100,000 monkeys with typewriters that come up with the works of Shakespear once in a while.

Or the system is extremely corrupt.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/11/2016 6:18:57 PM   
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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/12/2016 6:09:02 AM   
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I have to agree. Voting straight party means you do not care what the candidates say or anything you are just voting the party.

I might be misreading this, but I get the impression that both of your parties have been doing their best to encourage that approach for decades now.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/12/2016 6:42:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I have to agree. Voting straight party means you do not care what the candidates say or anything you are just voting the party.

I might be misreading this, but I get the impression that both of your parties have been doing their best to encourage that approach for decades now.


You are sorta correct. I can't say, for sure, that the GOP has tried to get a single check box for straight GOP ticket voting, but both major political parties do push to get a straight party line vote in place.

In MI, the argument isn't that they don't want people to be able to vote straight party line, but that they don't want a single check box to make that happen. If you go through all the various elections and choose people from the same party, that's acceptable.



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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/12/2016 6:51:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		True, but the complaints could still easily be interpreted Ken reads it. An attempt to make somebody tick a bunch of boxes rather than one is unlikely to bring down the electoral system, but it could be an act of petty spite designed to mildly inconvenience who won't be voting for your own party. It's also worth remembering that for all of the blather about "Crooked Hilary" we've been hearing for the past nine months or so, it's the party who were pushing this measure who seem to have the most evidence for them manipulating the electoral process in previous elections.

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RE: Voting Straqight Ticket - 9/12/2016 7:09:31 AM   
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I think you misread. The judge blocked a law banning the option to mark a single box to vote a straight ticket. The Republican goal of the law was to make it take significantly more time to vote, which would disproportionately impact black voters because urban areas already tend to be allocated fewer voting resources per capita and have longer lines to begin with.

Oh ya, that's a clever republican trick. We all understand that black people cant take an extra five minutes to vote. Jees...are you listening to yourself?


5 minutes? Try 7 hours: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/no-one-in-america-should-have-to-wait-7-hours-to-vote/264506/

Since Republicans took control of many state houses and gerrymandered themselves into permanent control of state governments in 2010, the average wait time for black voters has become double that of white voters. But I'm sure that's just a coincidence, right?

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