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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/10/2016 8:33:38 PM   
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.....and what made Sam Houston famous.

What's your point? You forgot how to google?

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/10/2016 8:37:56 PM   
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Jim Bowie was also not an American at that time, I believe. I read some place that he had actually taken Mexican citizenship.

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 7:13:16 AM   
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And the choice of targets taught some of us abnormal people that they don't really want to destroy the US.


This is not untrue... bit, is too simplistic relative to their thinking at the time.

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There are other targets they could have chosen and did much worse.


Name one more symbolic and/or effective relative to the outcomes? There were other targets as well.. pentagon, white house and in the original plans four more

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They were after Jews.


No. This was designed to hurt the US. You should read up on the history of Al Quedah. It would be a bonus from their outlook... but, not even a secondary consideration.

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They only killed 3,000, how many worked there ?


3K was more than they hoped for


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They could have run ALL those planes into the pentagon and whitehouse but they didn't. Why ?


The objective was to cripple the American financial system. They sought to damage our monetary complex. The White House and pentagon was aimed at crippling our ability to strike back.

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They were after international traders (World Trade Center, remember ?, not US trade center) which fuck over many Islamic countries for their oil
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How? This actually had little impact on world trade except to stymie it for a week. As a total, it depressed spending for three months. Did not impact oil production or profits
except parallel with that depression in overall GDP/WDP. This is an odd thing to believe

For clarity on their motivations, there are several good books ( including the 9/11 report) which talk about the 'why?' involved. You may want to read a few as you apparently have many unanswered questions.

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Half a fucking trillion dollar military budget and this country has no goddamn defense. EVERY foreign attack has succeeded.


Two things.. you are confusing a military budget (which is generally for offensive actions) with a defensive posture... and, the plans of Al Quedah (alone) were for ongoing asymmetric strikes internationally. The invasion of Afghanistan ended that, as they went on the offensive just as their political and monetary capital hit it's peak. They were thwarted from pursuing their goals through that intervention and their subsequent necessary defensive posture.


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The US government was either complicit or incompetent, there is no doubt and it could be both. but which do you think it is ?


This is an impossible question (rhetorical at its best). At the start of most major conflicts there is an attack. In most of those cases, the defender is caught flat footed and the outcry after the fact is of indignation that the (whichever it is) could be 'so ignorant of the situation'. You are entitled to an opinion.... but, I do note you do not offer suggestions for improvement within the context lf a question asked relative to 'what we might do now' (Do you feel safer... etc.)

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The air force should have been all over those planes and after the first one hit the next one should have been hit with enough missile power to blow it out to the fucking ocean.


Three things:
1. There was no protocol for the military to open fore on unarmed civilian aircraft
2. There was no defensive posture on the initiation of the actions by the assailants
3. There were (how many??) Minutes between strikes

Not exactly possible or probable as no one has thought of this scenario prior to these attacks in regard a national security stance.


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If you can get your hands on the prints for those buildings I could show you where they were. Simple fact of life.


And, you are an engineer... architect.... demolitions expert... security analyst... and more of an expert than the experts who analyzed the incidents?

I appreciate your skepticism. Please, appreciate mine. You have not read the 9/11 reports (obviously) and are talking about this from a position of ignorance.

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What's more IT IS REQUIRED. If you put up a really tall building there has to be a viable plan for its destruction at the end of its useful life that won't destroy everything around it.


This is not true. Please, quote the ASME, ANSI or any country, city, organization, or municipality code that requires this. I have demo'd buildings... the planning rests until it is required.

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Did those towers fall on any other buildings ?



Yes. Quite a few. And, then there was ancillary contamination of the surrounding buildings from hazardous materials carried with the debris.

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Just how far did the debris go ? I doubt it broke out the windows in the fucking pizza place next door. (OK that is an egsaduration(sp))


The 9/11 report details this.. the buildings surrounding it were demolished and torn down afterward.

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A hundred times more people are killed by medical mistakes every year, and that is only what the AMA admits to. Over ten times more people are killed in car wrecks, and most of those are caused by sober drivers.


So... 300,000 people are killed in hospitals every year?

Anyway- good morning.. and. Please educate yourself beyond these forums to ensure your questions are answered.

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 9:06:02 AM   
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dear peon. w.mods is one of the #no profile c..... xx

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 9:09:38 AM   
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"This is not untrue... bit, is too simplistic relative to their thinking at the time. "

I judge intent by actions and consequences. Other then mind reading, what you got ?

"Name one more symbolic and/or effective relative to the outcomes? There were other targets as well.. pentagon, white house and in the original plans four more "

They could have demolished the whitehouse and the pentagon to the point where government could not operate. How many possible explanations are there for them not deciding to to that instead of what they did ?

"The objective was to cripple the American financial system. They sought to damage our monetary complex. The White House and pentagon was aimed at crippling our ability to strike back.
"


No. they were not stupid enough to think that all of our planes and bombs and missiles were stored there.

"How? This actually had little impact on world trade except to stymie it for a week. As a total, it depressed spending for three months. Did not impact oil production or profits
except parallel with that depression in overall GDP/WDP. This is an odd thing to believe "


While we are pretty much into yeah the US government failed for whatever reason, you are still not thinking of the reason for the attacks. Yes, western oil companies were fucking them over. But that was not the main impetus for the attack. Some may have seen it that way, they are getting it too cheap. That is what Mossadeq figured out shortly before 1952. But none of the like having their governments manipulated by foreign powers. Would you ? What if Putin set someone to assassinate Obama right now, even the most staunch republican Obama hater would not like that. Hell if Kin Jong il had a city councilman in Cleveland killed people in California would be calling for a "regime change" overnight. Put the shoe on the other foot. think about all the fucking shit the US has done to other countries and imagine them doing it to us. But bullies never think of that. But I got people who can do a bully beatdown. They had a TV show about that.

"Yes. Quite a few. And, then there was ancillary contamination of the surrounding buildings from hazardous materials carried with the debris. "

I mean flipped down. why didn't they ? The fuckers were hit on the side, it is not the same as a controlled demolition, I wish I was good with computer graphics to show you what I mean. All I am saying about the mechanics of it is that the doubts are warranted. My point is mainly that it happened at all. Do you know any licensed pilots or ever flew a plane ? You file a flight plan and if you deviate they are right there. Now, when the first plane hit they should have already been there ad they would have seen the second plane heading the same direction and the might have had to radio for permission to blow it out of the sky, but THEY WERE NOT EVEN THERE.

There should have been about three or five ordinance pointed at that second jet ready to point it into the ocean. That may have actually saved some of the lives of the people on the plane.

You can give me all the reports and shit you want, but this was yet another failure of our half a fucking trillion dollar offense budget.

"So... 300,000 people are killed in hospitals every year? "

Sorry, only 250,000. If you want I can try to get the to kill fifty thousand more but I think they are already working pretty hard on it.

"Through their analysis of four other studies examining death rate information, the doctors estimate there are at least 251,454 deaths due to medical errors annually in the United States. The authors believe the number is actually much higher, as home and nursing home deaths are not counted in that total."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health/medical-error-a-leading-cause-of-death/

Bottom line, 9/11 was a drop in the bucket we kill each other more than that and I have no problem with that. Some building in bumfuct NYC and a bunch of people called in sick.

If the 9/11 attackers wanted a body count, there are hospitals that could provide that. There are stadiums that hold ten times that many people, though whether they could kill them all is another question.

Read all the fucking books you want, but which ones address the CHOICE OF TARGET ?

T^T

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 9:15:57 AM   
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And about hospitals ?

The US government attacks theirs. And their schools.

And then wonders why those people are pissed off.

But no they don't, they do it to justify a huge military budget. Your tax dollars at work.

They know EXACTLY what they are doing. Sucking you dry.

T^T

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 10:02:56 AM   
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1. The pentagon and the White House as deterrents towards reprisal - decapitation of intelligencia and authority as a means of ending resistance. Basic premise of warfare since the Phoenicians

2. "What you got?" relative toward al quedah inent - captured intelligence, debriefing of prisoners and Bin Ladins statements following the attacks and invasion of Afghanistan. Also, I have syntax and diction

3. Your assumptions (as that is what they are) appear to be that the entire region of the Middle East was involved in the planning and execution of these attacks. Evidence shows otherwise. These were planned by Al Quedah in retaliation for strikes at Tora Bora against them during the Clinton administration (which were in response to the attacks on embassies world wide) And, again- try reading more than these forums relative to the attacks. There was finding via private individuals from all
Over the world - but, al quedah has always acted autonomously. Your turn - using wiki or any other relatively reliable sure- demonstrate what you say is true.

4. "THEY WERE NOT THERE" - yes- read my response again. There were planes on the Tarmac at Andrews Airbase with orders to shoot down flight 93... Fortunately, the passengers took hold of it and it crashed prior to their launch. That was the soonest we could have performed due to the issues I mentioned.

5. "I mean flipped down- why didn't they?" Because damage done was from debris falling rather than direct impact. It was ancillary strikes from external strikes. Additionally, they were not constructed/designed the same way the WTCs were... Again- details in the 9/11 Report.

6. Try educating yourself - you skip the central reports out of disdain- but you cannot speak intelligently relative to he central issues surrounding planning, execution, motives and results

Otherwise you simply sound like an ignorant kook out here looking for external validation die to failures in life - and you appear at least intelligent







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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 10:11:27 AM   
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By the way - I cannot help but notice you didn't not respond to many of the issues and answers I proved and/ or have expertise about. That is demonstrative of poor sportsmanship relative to admitting you are wrong.

I appreciate that you are grasping at straws in many areas and repeat my admonision that you should educate yourself about structure, materials and the possible motives for the conspirators.

It is sad really that you bury your head in the sand when it is readily available to you on line.

By the way - I was downtown 15 years ago this date... Worked there. Witnessed a large part of it.

I was ignoring the day until I read the disinformation and opinion stated as facts that you posted. You have some good points- but, lose any potential agreement within your suppositions and guesses

That is disrespectful of many people.

That was why I even bothered to respond as you do have (as mentioned) possibility to educate yourself

Take the opportunity

Out.

R/
KJPS Howe

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 5:16:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

What horrible thing happened on the ninth of November?

Groan.

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RE: STRANGE. NO 9/11 posts. - 9/11/2016 5:21:52 PM   
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Honestly, I'd never dream of starting a 9/11 thread.

I knew people who died that day, and I wouldn't want to subject their memory to the kind of drivel that fills most P&R threads.

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