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Greta75 -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 9:38:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444
I had to change the channel.. she makes one comment about half of Trump's supporters but Trump can say fucking anything and its ok, no big deal.. I look at all this shite and wonder how this country has made it this far..

When has Trump insulted Clinton's supporters?

When Trump insults people, he usually go after specific people personally.

And when he says Mexico sends in their rapists and criminals. If people could understand properly, he is not saying all Mexican are rapist and criminals. He is saying, Mexico is keeping all their good guys in their country, where MAJORITY of the good Mexicans are. And sending in their duds.

Media spins it as, him calling ALL Mexicans rapists and criminals.

It's like, no where in anything he said, said that!




Soccer22 -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 9:51:43 PM)

Et al:
Anyone considering that the "basket..." speech is really a shrewdly calculated gambit designed to energize the Dem base and expose the Trump campaign in contrast?
And most importantly to create the need for the media and her surrogates to dredge up the litany of Trump's recent and past statements and activities in their analysis and defense of what she said.
With the media being forced to reflect on its fairness, thoroughness and inability for the most part to do critical analysis of the Trump campaign, Clinton has called the whole mess out with one speech.

While most of the stuff dredged up so far is old news, much never saw much currency during the campaign. As the sordidness comes to light, the second purpose will become clear as Independents and Reluctant republicans shift their support - Maureen Dowd was on Kelly tonight and stated that her republican siblings will not vote for Trump based on his tweets and actions...another article reviewed Trumps re-tweets to find that 75 were sourced from white supremacists.

Some polls (https://thinkprogress.org/is-hillary-clinton-right-about-trump-supporters-this-is-what-the-polling-data-says-2b37625a1df3#.lju9jl9h8) show a significant number of Trump supporters still believe in the Birther contentions, as well as that Obama is a Muslim, the rest of the findings are just plain scary when it comes to race, the Civil War and gay legitimacy ...

Seems to me, what appeared as a backfire/strategic blunder is more like a brilliant move - watch how the Clinton surrogates' talking points evolve, as well as how long this controls the news cycle.




Lucylastic -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 10:20:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Soccer22

Et al:
Anyone considering that the "basket..." speech is really a shrewdly calculated gambit designed to energize the Dem base and expose the Trump campaign in contrast?
And most importantly to create the need for the media and her surrogates to dredge up the litany of Trump's recent and past statements and activities in their analysis and defense of what she said.
With the media being forced to reflect on its fairness, thoroughness and inability for the most part to do critical analysis of the Trump campaign, Clinton has called the whole mess out with one speech.

While most of the stuff dredged up so far is old news, much never saw much currency during the campaign. As the sordidness comes to light, the second purpose will become clear as Independents and Reluctant republicans shift their support - Maureen Dowd was on Kelly tonight and stated that her republican siblings will not vote for Trump based on his tweets and actions...another article reviewed Trumps re-tweets to find that 75 were sourced from white supremacists.

Some polls (https://thinkprogress.org/is-hillary-clinton-right-about-trump-supporters-this-is-what-the-polling-data-says-2b37625a1df3#.lju9jl9h8) show a significant number of Trump supporters still believe in the Birther contentions, as well as that Obama is a Muslim, the rest of the findings are just plain scary when it comes to race, the Civil War and gay legitimacy ...

Seems to me, what appeared as a backfire/strategic blunder is more like a brilliant move - watch how the Clinton surrogates' talking points evolve, as well as how long this controls the news cycle.


Hi and welcome to the boards....
Given the deplorables comment, then her half walk back, it should have, could have been more problematic, the pneumonia, body double, parkinsons, mental impairment, has more or less diminished it. what happens in the next few days is anyones guess. Im sure it will be interesting.


Im pleasantly surprised that Trump didnt go for her throat. Even if he lied thru his teeth while saying it or sincerely meant it as it sounded:)
http://time.com/4487240/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-health-pneumonia/

The birtherism debacle, isnt going away for Trump, he was ass deep in it, even after Obama showed the long form, he sent investigators to hawaii, supposedly found amazing things, and he was chums with sheriff joe until very recently.
But now he doesnt want to talk about it.

But late last week, Rudy Giuliani, and Jack Kingston had a whale of a time trying to point out that he "now" believes the pres was born in the US.
It was the funniest politcal bs I had seen all week.
Jack Kingston suffering heartily, lol
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/10/nbcs-katy-tur-tells-a-trump-backing-congressman-exactly-why-the-birther-issue-isnt-dead/

Rudy is just losin his marbles
http://www.nationalmemo.com/endorsethis-giuliani-eviscerated-by-chris-matthews-on-birther-claims/




MrRodgers -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 10:41:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

However Hillary's fucking arrogance is going to lose the fucking race.

Let's be clear, people don't like this bitch, they don't trust this bitch. She has no fucking principles and does an about-turn on issues when it's convenient. But the real problem is that she's personifying the left's arrogance toward its opponents.

I have to laugh at the idiotic leftists in here calling me out for ad hominem. As I've said previously, it's a misunderstanding of the term. I'll destroy your argument due to its lack of logic and evidence, then call you a fucking moron. The abuse is simply a bonus, but - and this is the true irony - it is EXACTLY how the left conducts itself.

Take a look at the leftist crowd of usual suspects in this forum. Every single one of their arguments - when you distill it right down - is essentially the same basic premise. The people who disagree with them are bad people. It's arrogant character assassination and ad hominem en masse.

Well, it appears that tendency may just be losing the presidency for old Shillary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-deplorables-trump-reaction-228030

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Hillary Clinton handed Donald Trump two potentially detrimental storylines and, in a fresh bout of restraint, the Republican nominee hasn’t tried to grab both issues at once.

Over the last 24 hours, Trump’s team has urged its surrogates, and the candidate himself, to tamp down talk of her health and instead focus unrelentingly on her casting tens of millions of his supporters into a “basket of deplorables,” calling them “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it.” (Clinton has apologized for saying such labels applied to “half” his backers.)

“I think it’s the single biggest mistake of the political season,” Trump declared on Fox and Friends.


For once, he's actually right. The left's obsession with identity politics - and labeling everyone who disagrees with them a bigot - is a reflection of their arrogance. "Only we have the one true way and if you disagree, you're stupid, you're racist, you're a bigot, you're homophobic, you're Islamophobic, you're Transphobic and you probably eat dead flesh".

Never mind that the majority of the left's arguments are devoid of evidence and focus on emotion (a classic manipulative strategy), never mind that people who think and reason actually demonstrate a degree of political nuance. Never mind that some people are independent thinkers and like to draw their own conclusions without having an un-elected elite tell them what to think.

No. If you don't swallow the leftist dogma on a variety of subjects, then apparently you're a bigot.

Tell me, how's that workin' out for ya, folks? Because that attitude and your candidate is struggling to poll well against what is perhaps the most ridiculous Presidential candidate in history.

Of course it's quite the contrary and all of the above is why HRC would in fact make the perfect republican candidate.

The single biggest mistake of this political season was the repubs nominating a shyster, con man who fails to pay his contractors, had some 3500 lawsuits filed against him, in fact hires foreigners some of which are as likely illegal as legally here, buys almost all of consumer items having been made in authoritarian oppressed labor markets while bragging he will bring those jobs back without a modicum of any idea just how he would.

Heaps praises on a former Soviet KGB fascist killer who is a strong leader we are told because he sent disguised jack boots and tanks into a very small, powerless country of 2.2 million people for no more than a free resort the 'Crimean Riviera' and good T-time, militarily defends an Arab fascist, counter to most of the west and moderate Arab goals and a nominee who has done nothing at all but demagogue his way by 'telling it like it is' except...when he isn't.

If 47% of this country's voters can vote for Romney, typical repub, greedy, capitalist scum who would buy the company you work for, throw you out of work, make you poor and then blame you, call you a taker rather than a maker, then 57% can vote for Hillary just so Trump will go away and hide and we won't have to suffer a man who is simply a reality program hireling who wouldn't be rich or known at all but for his father and all of [his] friends and help.




MrRodgers -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 10:51:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Generalize much?
Let me see if I understand you. You're asking me if I generalise in a thread discussing Shillary's generalisation of 50% of Trump supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic and Islamaphobic? Not only is this the height of irony but it's clear the point has gone whistling right over your head.

You really are making a mockery of your pseudonym. I mean, "smartsub"?

Really?

More like "dumbasapostsub".


What the whole country should know is that Trump actually cleans up his language while 'telling it like it is' without 'telling it' like his followers do who don't need to...across the dinner table.




MrRodgers -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 10:56:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They lied about her having pneumonia. I want to know what else is wrong with her.

She's a foundation misusing, wealthy, 1%er, rent-seeking, establishment, wall street loving, capitalist democrat...and the right is jealous.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 11:34:13 PM)

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You really are making a mockery of your pseudonym.

Oh now that is ironic.




Lucylastic -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/12/2016 11:35:21 PM)

Heh, We used to have a poster called Sanity...
yeah that was "special"




itsSIRtou -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/13/2016 12:36:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Heh, We used to have a poster called Sanity...
yeah that was "special"


yea, so much a shill for rump he had to of had his lips stitched to rumps asshole.




Termyn8or -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/13/2016 4:36:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Fr
I am not saying this to be mean. But isn't Pneumonia life threatening for old people? In my country, most people around her age are struggling with other illnesses and then actually die because of Pneumonia. It's always the killing blow and can deteriorate very fast, especially for elderly. Seems like a life threatening illness to me. Also, the high stress of a President job, and Pneumonia. Bad combination! She should quit and take care of her health.

Other than that! I agree with Awareness about what's all the problem with the left. And why I lean more right and always like right leaning people better, despite sharing social positions the same as the left. There just seems to be less hypocrisy in comparison with right people.

And considering I am not even American and just observing American Politics from the outside, it's painfully obvious to me.


Many people do not realize that pneumonia is a symptom. Very rarely does a virus directly attack the lungs, and when it does it is usually because of a compromised immune system due to the root cause disease.

Also, pneumonia can be caused by being infirm, too sedentary, in fact by broken ribs because you might not breathe right. The bedridden and wheelchairbound are susceptible even in the absence of a virus or bacteria.

They usually give you an antibiotic and maybe a diuretic. In extreme cases they will operate and literally put a tub in the bottom of your lungs to drain the fluid. I'm sure she can afford it.

But Trump is right, focusing on her health is not good. We had a President in a wheelchair before. We had a President with mild Alzhemers as well. Neither stepped down and the world did not fall apart.

And the bottom line here is that very few are going to vote based on the debates. That may be true of the primaries but in the real election their mind is made up. If the other one says something they like the people think they're lying. If their candidate says something they don't like they develop memory problems. They might as well not even hold debates. I don't even watch them anymore. Plus the fact that anyone can say anything. They are not under oath.

Now if they got a judge up there and swore them in and they were under oath that might mean something, but they don't, so it doesn't mean shit.

T^T




DesideriScuri -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/13/2016 6:57:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
They lied about her having pneumonia. I want to know what else is wrong with her.

Have a cite for that?
I read they lied about her coughing fit being due to allergies, and that her fainting spell on Sunday was due to being overheated, but I didn't see anything about her not having pneumonia.

If you look at the progression of pneumonia, it all fits, allergies, asthma can lead to congestion, congestion leads to infection, infection means coughing, dizzy, faint, fever etc and if not caught leads to pneumonia. It doesnt just present itself as pneumonia out of the blue. Plus it seems one of her staff was sick before her"attack..
While the campaign is being quiet(trumps) sorta, the extreme RW press are having a field day with it.
check out rush, or WND Or Breitbart, and Info wars.
Id like to see a cite, but I doubt its forthcoming from a legit source.
But from what I have read on infowars, she is dead and ABC announced it and retracted it...and shehas a body double walking around..(from the comment section)
http://www.infowars.com/this-video-will-cost-hillary-the-election/


She was diagnosed on Friday. They knew she didn't overheat on Sunday.

You are much, much braver than I am. I don't care to find out what Rush is saying, and I'm not going to infowars, or WND unless someone's life depended on it. Any links from Breitbart are usually checked before they become a belief I hold.




RottenJohnny -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/13/2016 9:19:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I've never put a bumper sticker on a car in my life. I'm thinking about getting one, now, that says I'm in the basket.

How about, "I'm in the basket next to the bitter clingers"?




MercTech -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/18/2016 12:39:51 AM)

I'm not surprised Hillary slipped and said what she really thinks of the voters when she called half of the Trump supporters are "deplorables". Hillary is the groomed figurehead of the old money elite who wonder if the unwashed masses actually feel like real people do.
People forget so easily that the Democratic Party was the party of the Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow laws, and racial segregation. When segregation was no longer a viable way to keep people afraid and compliant; the Democratic Party re-invented itself as faux champions of equality.




stef -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/18/2016 12:45:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

I'm not surprised Hillary slipped and said what she really thinks of the voters when she called half of the Trump supporters are "deplorables".

The only way she "slipped" was that her estimate was too low.




Awareness -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/20/2016 10:23:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

I'm not surprised Hillary slipped and said what she really thinks of the voters when she called half of the Trump supporters are "deplorables".

The only way she "slipped" was that her estimate was too low.
Congratulations on epistomising exactly the idiotic fucking arrogance I'm talking about.

We're getting panicky emails from the Dems asking for money. My response is "Go fucking ask Goldmann-Sachs for more - you're bought and paid for by them and their ilk so don't expect us to support you."

The Dems need Bernie as the nominee. Hillary is going to lose.




Politesub53 -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/20/2016 11:30:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Generalize much?
Let me see if I understand you. You're asking me if I generalise in a thread discussing Shillary's generalisation of 50% of Trump supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic and Islamaphobic? Not only is this the height of irony but it's clear the point has gone whistling right over your head.

You really are making a mockery of your pseudonym. I mean, "smartsub"?

Really?

More like "dumbasapostsub".



Smarstsub, I think he means yes. [;)]




Politesub53 -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/20/2016 11:32:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Heh, We used to have a poster called Sanity...
yeah that was "special"


Ah, the arsewipe who used to say I wasnt polite. How I miss him and his socks. [8D]




Nnanji -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/20/2016 11:33:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I've never put a bumper sticker on a car in my life. I'm thinking about getting one, now, that says I'm in the basket.

How about, "I'm in the basket next to the bitter clingers"?

Perfect.




Politesub53 -> RE: Most reasoning people are coalescing around the idea that Trump is the worst option (9/20/2016 11:35:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Generalize much?


Sadly, most of the time. [;)]




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