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Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/7/2016 9:24:27 PM)
If you had any legitimate cite for that, you would have included it. You've never at any time included a reputable source in any of your blatherings here, so no one's holding their breath about it. Money paid for tickets gets refunded all the time. Cite any reputable source that can verify what portion of refunds are due to whatever boycott you speak of.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/7/2016 9:32:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird If you had any legitimate cite for that, you would have included it. You've never at any time included a reputable source in any of your blatherings here, so no one's holding their breath about it. Money paid for tickets get refunded all the time. Cite any reputable source that can verify what portion of refunds are due to whatever boycott you speak of. This from the man who claims that every NFL team has bench warmer getting starter pay.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/7/2016 9:42:15 PM)
I didn't say all 32 teams at every moment, but something that affects more than a few teams every year, so eventually all of them, yes. Too 'deep' for you, I know. Still no support for your claim about the "boycott" then?

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/7/2016 10:18:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird If you had any legitimate cite for that, you would have included it. You've never at any time included a reputable source in any of your blatherings here, so no one's holding their breath about it. Money paid for tickets gets refunded all the time. Cite any reputable source that can verify what portion of refunds are due to whatever boycott you speak of. This from sporting news. The Colin Kaepernick-led player protests may be hurting the NFL broadcast networks where its hurts them the most: in the pocketbook. With NFL TV ratings plunging by double-digits over the first quarter of the 2016 season, some NFL TV networks are being forced to provide so-called "make-goods" to advertisers, media sources tell Sporting News. Refunding money they got for adds is not at all the same thing as ticket refunds, and I would like to think you were smart enough to know that.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 1:34:18 AM)
I read both citations, Neither of them explained to any degree how the fall in add revenue was tied directly to Kaeperneck, and that situation alone. Businesses suffer ups and downs all the time. Look back to the last NFL revenue decline before this one. What caused that? Nothing but the usual, just like now. I think that the decline in interest has more to do with the fact that almost all the teams rated so highly in the pre-season are not doing well at all. Other than the the Pats and Broncos, which both bore everyone to death. It's possible that some are tired of watching Cam Newton get successfully targeted and bashed to the head multiple times per game with no flags thrown on a weekly basis, while the most ticky-tack celebration fouls are being called without relent, but that's another story. Or maybe it has some pertinence after all. All that noise about being serious re concussions, ... but actually not. Oh, that wouldn't have anything to do with revenue drop, would it? Neither of us could come up with solid numbers on this, but I think it's safe to say that Roger Goodel has been hated for a bit longer than the SF QB.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 7:11:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird I read both citations, Neither of them explained to any degree how the fall in add revenue was tied directly to Kaeperneck, and that situation alone. Businesses suffer ups and downs all the time. Look back to the last NFL revenue decline before this one. What caused that? Nothing but the usual, just like now. I think that the decline in interest has more to do with the fact that almost all the teams rated so highly in the pre-season are not doing well at all. Other than the the Pats and Broncos, which both bore everyone to death. It's possible that some are tired of watching Cam Newton get successfully targeted and bashed to the head multiple times per game with no flags thrown on a weekly basis, while the most ticky-tack celebration fouls are being called without relent, but that's another story. Or maybe it has some pertinence after all. All that noise about being serious re concussions, ... but actually not. Oh, that wouldn't have anything to do with revenue drop, would it? Neither of us could come up with solid numbers on this, but I think it's safe to say that Roger Goodel has been hated for a bit longer than the SF QB. You don't have to believe it but the ratings started dropping when the protests began. I know, just worked out that way. Nobody wants to keep a washed up player at 16 million to sit on the bench. As I said earlier, if this was his real feeling why didn't he do it last year when he was a starter and had a bigger soapbox? He is grabbing the spotlight with this and doesn't care who he hurts.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 9:59:30 AM)
quote: The Colin Kaepernick-led player protests may be hurting the NFL broadcast networks where its hurts them the most: in the pocketbook. Right! Whenever I don't watch a football broadcast I call Sporting News and tell them I am pissed at CK. They reply: Thank you, we are keeping score. [8\|]

sloguy02246 -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 12:59:39 PM)
FR - In statistics, the difference between correlation and causality is often lost when the fervor of trying to justify one's preconceived beliefs is extremely strong. That a person (well, maybe one poster here) would refuse to watch any NFL games this season solely because of Kaepernick's actions seems to be a bit of a stretch. Maybe a trip to wherever the local watering hole in your community is this Sunday would be a good indicator of the NFL's current acceptability to viewers in your area.

vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 4:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 FR - In statistics, the difference between correlation and causality is often lost when the fervor of trying to justify one's preconceived beliefs is extremely strong. That a person (well, maybe one poster here) would refuse to watch any NFL games this season solely because of Kaepernick's actions seems to be a bit of a stretch. Maybe a trip to wherever the local watering hole in your community is this Sunday would be a good indicator of the NFL's current acceptability to viewers in your area. You did notice my sarcasm emoticon, didn't you?

Chaska -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 5:48:17 PM)
Fring None but the 1D circus lot give a fuk about the overpaid jocks packin their buds ares and fuking a football.

sloguy02246 -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 6:00:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 FR - In statistics, the difference between correlation and causality is often lost when the fervor of trying to justify one's preconceived beliefs is extremely strong. That a person (well, maybe one poster here) would refuse to watch any NFL games this season solely because of Kaepernick's actions seems to be a bit of a stretch. Maybe a trip to wherever the local watering hole in your community is this Sunday would be a good indicator of the NFL's current acceptability to viewers in your area. You did notice my sarcasm emoticon, didn't you? The statement was "FR" - not aimed at you. Also, the "one poster here" referenced an earlier poster, not you.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 8:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chaska Fring None but the 1D circus lot give a fuk about the overpaid jocks packin their buds ares and fuking a football. How are they 'overpaid'? They are paid, essentially, by how many people buy the pick-up trucks and light/lite beer and Viagra advertised during the broadcast of games. But it's just the guys doing the actual entertaining of the masses with their skills that seems to carp your ass, not the billionaire team owners or the league or the advertisers who make ten times more than the players from their efforts. The players themselves constitute the only 'demand' element here. People don't tune in because of the owners or advertisers. In terms of classic supply/demand and share of revenue from whatever venture, the players are definitely not the ones being overpaid, here. While on the subject, corporate CEOs get paid $20+ million bonuses for completely screwing things up, commodity traders as much as $120 million in a year for making a lucky guess.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 8:31:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird I read both citations, Neither of them explained to any degree how the fall in add revenue was tied directly to Kaeperneck, and that situation alone. Businesses suffer ups and downs all the time. Look back to the last NFL revenue decline before this one. What caused that? Nothing but the usual, just like now. I think that the decline in interest has more to do with the fact that almost all the teams rated so highly in the pre-season are not doing well at all. Other than the the Pats and Broncos, which both bore everyone to death. It's possible that some are tired of watching Cam Newton get successfully targeted and bashed to the head multiple times per game with no flags thrown on a weekly basis, while the most ticky-tack celebration fouls are being called without relent, but that's another story. Or maybe it has some pertinence after all. All that noise about being serious re concussions, ... but actually not. Oh, that wouldn't have anything to do with revenue drop, would it? Neither of us could come up with solid numbers on this, but I think it's safe to say that Roger Goodel has been hated for a bit longer than the SF QB. You don't have to believe it but the ratings started dropping when the protests began. I know, just worked out that way. Nobody wants to keep a washed up player at 16 million to sit on the bench. As I said earlier, if this was his real feeling why didn't he do it last year when he was a starter and had a bigger soapbox? He is grabbing the spotlight with this and doesn't care who he hurts. If the SF QB had made his protest after the first 2-3 shootings of unarmed people, you would have claimed that he was crying over nothing. Instead, he (like many of the rest of us) stood back for a bit, but then saw a pattern emerging. Should the police have sped up the process of shooting innocent people while the SF QB was at the height of his career, or slowed it down when he got to the bench, to suit your fantasy? On that subject, I haven't seen a single thing in any sports commentary that brought that particular aspect up as a 'cause' of his actions. Not that I keep up with sports commentary much, TBH. Maybe there have been 30-50 more police shootings this year than last year, or maybe just the simple increasing of these situations finally got to him, as it did many others.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 9:33:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird I read both citations, Neither of them explained to any degree how the fall in add revenue was tied directly to Kaeperneck, and that situation alone. Businesses suffer ups and downs all the time. Look back to the last NFL revenue decline before this one. What caused that? Nothing but the usual, just like now. I think that the decline in interest has more to do with the fact that almost all the teams rated so highly in the pre-season are not doing well at all. Other than the the Pats and Broncos, which both bore everyone to death. It's possible that some are tired of watching Cam Newton get successfully targeted and bashed to the head multiple times per game with no flags thrown on a weekly basis, while the most ticky-tack celebration fouls are being called without relent, but that's another story. Or maybe it has some pertinence after all. All that noise about being serious re concussions, ... but actually not. Oh, that wouldn't have anything to do with revenue drop, would it? Neither of us could come up with solid numbers on this, but I think it's safe to say that Roger Goodel has been hated for a bit longer than the SF QB. You don't have to believe it but the ratings started dropping when the protests began. I know, just worked out that way. Nobody wants to keep a washed up player at 16 million to sit on the bench. As I said earlier, if this was his real feeling why didn't he do it last year when he was a starter and had a bigger soapbox? He is grabbing the spotlight with this and doesn't care who he hurts. If the SF QB had made his protest after the first 2-3 shootings of unarmed people, you would have claimed that he was crying over nothing. Instead, he (like many of the rest of us) stood back for a bit, but then saw a pattern emerging. Should the police have sped up the process of shooting innocent people while the SF QB was at the height of his career, or slowed it down when he got to the bench, to suit your fantasy? On that subject, I haven't seen a single thing in any sports commentary that brought that particular aspect up as a 'cause' of his actions. Not that I keep up with sports commentary much, TBH. Maybe there have been 30-50 more police shootings this year than last year, or maybe just the simple increasing of these situations finally got to him, as it did many others. 30-50 more unarmed balcks shot by cops with no extinuating circumstanses ? Cite please. Make it something credible, nobody associated with blm.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 10:55:58 PM)
As soon as you cite any creditable source for verification that the SF QB deciding on his stance during the national anthem being solely as result of his playing status, I'll be right on it.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 11:10:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird As soon as you cite any creditable source for verification that the SF QB deciding on his stance during the national anthem being solely as result of his playing status, I'll be right on it. I gave you my source and my information The fact that you don't like it isn't my problem. It does mention the protests as a factor. And it does say the ratings are way down as I predicted at the begining of this thread. The ratings drop began with his grabing the spotlight in August. You can say maybe this and maybe that as much as you want those are still the facts.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 11:18:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird As soon as you cite any creditable source for verification that the SF QB deciding on his stance during the national anthem being solely as result of his playing status, I'll be right on it. I am sure you will find a reason to ignore this Are Americans Tuning Out the NFL Over Protests? Last modified: 10/04/2016 12:03 pm A sizable number of Americans say they may give the National Football League a pass this year, thanks to the player protests over racial issues. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that nearly one-third (32%) of American Adults say they are less likely to watch an NFL game because of the growing number of Black Lives Matter protests by players on the field. Only 13% say they are more likely to watch a game because of the protests. Just over half (52%) say the protests have no impact on their viewing decisions. (To see survey question wording, click here.) (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook. The survey of 1,000 American Adults was conducted on October 2-3, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/8/2016 11:26:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird As soon as you cite any creditable source for verification that the SF QB deciding on his stance during the national anthem being solely as result of his playing status, I'll be right on it. I am sure you will find a reason to ignore this Are Americans Tuning Out the NFL Over Protests? Last modified: 10/04/2016 12:03 pm A sizable number of Americans say they may give the National Football League a pass this year, thanks to the player protests over racial issues. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that nearly one-third (32%) of American Adults say they are less likely to watch an NFL game because of the growing number of Black Lives Matter protests by players on the field. Only 13% say they are more likely to watch a game because of the protests. Just over half (52%) say the protests have no impact on their viewing decisions. (To see survey question wording, click here.) (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook. The survey of 1,000 American Adults was conducted on October 2-3, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology. And this from sports business daily However, one factor that appears to be making a large dent in the ratings and continuing to grow is the backlash resulting from the 49ers’ Colin Kaepernick sitting or kneeling during the national anthem in protest of police brutality against African-Americans. A percentage of fans are now boycotting the NFL in reaction to Kaepernick’s protests and/or the lack of discipline from the league offices resulting from them. It’s likely that a sizable chunk of the rating decline is due to fans swiftly and decisively responding to Kaepernick’s growing protests by turning the games off entirely. SportsBusiness Daily reported on Tuesday that Monday Night Football between the New York Giants and Minnesota Vikings drew a 9.1 overnight rating, down eight percent from Lions-Seahawks in Week 4 of the 2015 season. The rating for Sunday Night Football between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Kansas City Chiefs, a 43-14 blowout win by Pittsburgh, dropped by 26 percent from Saints-Cowboys in Week 4 last season, while the early-morning London game between the Colts and Jaguars dropped by 24 percent from the same time slot a year ago. FOX’s early-afternoon slate of games dropped by 10 percent year-over-year while the late-afternoon games dropped by 20 percent. The 1 p.m. regional games were the only time slot that saw a slight ratings uptick, growing by 2 percent over last season.

Edwird -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/9/2016 12:38:41 AM)
As soon as you cite any creditable source for verification that the SF QB deciding on his stance during the national anthem being solely as result of his playing status[/b] Try again.

Chaska -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (10/9/2016 8:51:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Chaska Fring None but the 1D circus lot give a fuk about the overpaid jocks packin their buds ares and fuking a football. How are they 'overpaid'? They are paid, essentially, by how many people buy the pick-up trucks and light/lite beer and Viagra advertised during the broadcast of games. But it's just the guys doing the actual entertaining of the masses with their skills that seems to carp your ass, not the billionaire team owners or the league or the advertisers who make ten times more than the players from their efforts. The players themselves constitute the only 'demand' element here. People don't tune in because of the owners or advertisers. In terms of classic supply/demand and share of revenue from whatever venture, the players are definitely not the ones being overpaid, here. While on the subject, corporate CEOs get paid $20+ million bonuses for completely screwing things up, commodity traders as much as $120 million in a year for making a lucky guess. Its the 1D circus clowns with fuk all mentality that donate to the whole charity lot.

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