MrRodgers
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Worse, maybe he was suggesting that's what the 'Value Voters'...'values' were ? And this from a party that is now almost bereft of ideology. Maybe this is a new one. Further evidence that it is the right at least since Mussolini, that leans toward a violent takeover of politics and govt.
I have another post in me...'Where the Modern Right in America'...became detached from its true conservative moorings.
I'm going to "work backwards", here:
It occurs to me, if we leave ideology out of it and focus on tactics, in this particular election, the anti-Christ is the conservative (running on: "more of the same") and Trump is the "radical" (running on: "Blow up Washington's bullshit").
Trump certainly has run a "radical" campaign, if we use the truest sense of the word.
Honestly, while I am not a Republican (and what follows is precisely why), I find it refreshing that someone on the right is finally "fighting back".
For many years, a democratic candidate (at every level) would launch some insane charge at the republican and, the republican's response would be to curl up in the fetal position and say "Please don't hurt me".
Finally, we're starting to hear: "Hey, Alinskyite Democrats: People that want secure borders are NOT xenophobic! People that believe we should take care of Americans before we help foreigners (Charity begins at home types) are NOT racists."
For too long, the left has been able to get away with unsubstantiated attacks (I'm reminded of a {I think} senator, having to resign because he used the word "niggardly" on the senate floor. He became "a racist" according to ignorant assholes with no grasp of English).
So, in a way, the tables have been turned on the Alinskyites and they're freaked.
Your use of "Values Voters" is interesting. For a long time, "Values Voters" were known as "average Americans" or "Everyday Joes". They worked, raised a family, paid their taxes, believed in and worshiped God, as they saw fit, and lived their lives in harmony with their neighbors and relative anonymity.
Then, the left decided that these things were wrong and down-right evil and went on the attack.
Hard-working, average Americans became "fat cats" that weren't "paying their fair share". Families became "evil" because they refused to acquiesce to the values of the left and government was elevated to the status of kidnappers by given unabated ability to tear children out of homes with NO EVIDENCE of actual wrong-doing by the parents. Not "paying their fair share" was a way to dog whistle "tax cheat" so, there's that. People who believed in God became "fundamentalists" and, by extension, enemies of progress. Communities where there were no racial tensions or where relations were getting better were targeted for an assault by liberals telling AAs that they were "getting screwed" by the right (who, let's face, were guilty of the new "plantation/welfare system).
The left started this mess with Alinsky tactics and now, they're pissed off because people are wising up to their socialistic agenda.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Michael
I understand your frustration but two things come to mind. One is that for all of the PC of the liberals and the so-called problems they've come up with, was/is all simply a very emotional overreaction to the failure of the right that went rent-seeking, corporatist and has never ever lived up to their small govt. low spending rhetoric and a right that has no problem with govt. in our lives according to strict bible belt values that far too many of them...violate themselves.
Plus, I've been trying to tell my devoutly liberal friends that it was the original conservatism (from both sides by comparison to today) that we were all suppose to live by and liberalism is a problem because of their need to run to govt. to fix the problem of the right that failed mostly because both sides were caving in and selling out. Also the reason I am an independent.
However, your rant on community has a whole lot of bi-partisan fingerprints all over it. Many aspects of what 'made America great' was for example...'great' because the 'community's problems were out of sight. Back in the pre 60's period where a short trip on the other side of 8 Mile Rd. (northern boarder of Detroit) exposed a virtual apartheid society living completely separate lives in abject poverty due to outright discrimination, economic and racial.
So in your/my community was all white, middle class heaven until NAFTA and MFN (most favored nation) acquiescence for China began to tear that down. The rest became the beginning of the blame game when it was profiteering corporatism and an outright abandonment of the manufacturing economy in the US...AND our original conservative values.
Oh and the left's socialist agenda is a non-starter. It is again, simply running to govt. to fix problems cause by a for profit culture allowed to flourish under both right and left (two minorities forming a block) but protected or even enriched by protecting the minority (business political power) in the halls of govt. Even the right are Keynesian now. All of the govt. debt is very, very profitable.
I.e., the right's capitalist agenda has been fulfilled and produced the single most top heavy society that has existed probably since Rome and Rome was about 1 million with about 900-950,000 living in the dirt. (look at India, 700 million people with almost no electrical power or running water after 40 years of a class-based, corrupt, crony capitalism)
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