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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/20/2016 9:09:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		While there was inarguably an awful lot of naff in the '80s, when else would you have heard a synthpop concept album about the Miner's Strike?
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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/20/2016 10:20:33 AM   
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The smiths, the Cult, The Mission, All About Eve, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Nick Cave with whomever he chooses, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, The Damned, Siouxsie and the Banshees, just to name a few.

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Exactly.

80s music very varied from indie to soul to dance to funk to electronic to ambient and so on. It's a bit disappointing with regard to the 80s that the video music channels can only do the most mainstream new wave and electronic stuff, missing out so much of what was genuinely edgey at the time. There was certainly some deliciously dark stuff and an exciting underground.

My only question is where is the next wave coming from? Music seems to have done almost nothing really new or revolutionary in pretty much ten years. Where is the equivalent of the punk, new wave, dance, grunge and indie and hip hop "revolutions"? The dance music is the same as the nineties. Hip hop has hardly changed in years.

Music seems even more commercially wrapped up, with the fashionable pretence of saying that bands are being "discovered" on the net (well apart from the Arctic Monkeys who kinda are the exception that proves the rule). What space for the true independents.

Our music culture even more controlled by boring old bastards and big companies. I just wish there would be something fresh, edgey and/or threatening comes from the underground which I either really love or really pisses me of as an old bastard in my forties, but it just aint happening.

I'll just go off and find some Jesus and Mary Chain to play loud and get lost in its self-conscious nihilism.


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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/20/2016 10:36:16 AM   
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The dance music is the same as the nineties.

You sure? The grime and dubstep stuff does seem to have been a bit of a change. Not necessarily a positive change, but some sort of change at least.
(And there's links to a couple of Mary Chain songs in one of my posts above. )

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/20/2016 4:26:36 PM   
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The dance music is the same as the nineties.

You sure? The grime and dubstep stuff does seem to have been a bit of a change. Not necessarily a positive change, but some sort of change at least.
(And there's links to a couple of Mary Chain songs in one of my posts above. )


You have a good point. I did over-simplify a bit for effect.

I would probably argue that the melodic and rhythmic basis for dubstep is an evolutionary change mirroring previous "dirty bass" hardcore with some drum and base influences. The complete stops in some of the "breaks" are certainly there in the best drum and base from the late nineties. Grime likewise is a new fusion but the London music scene in particular had black and asian groups who were offshoots of rap/hip-hop/dance who sounded very "grimey" in the 90s, let alone the 00s.

There's certainly nothing wrong with good grime or dubstep but the change has been so slow and evolutionary as to be almost imperceptible. Both genre's morphed gradually from their predecessors.

I know that's how music often evolves, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's lots of good music being made if you look for it (and there's certainly enough of it about) but nothing is really kicking over the dustbins and tearing everything down.

It's the lack of a musical and cultural explosion that I miss in recent years. Even the late 80s/ early 90s dance explosion created so many distinct genres in a short space of time. Suddenly people were knocking stuff together in their bedrooms and garages and completely bypassing the radio and TV. It was like punk and indie rolled together. The commercial basis of the music business was turned upside down for a while.

I'm sure there is a very good reason why the download revolution has not been accompanied by a creative upsurge or sudden overthrowing of older genres for new ones, but in my ignorance I think its a shame.

I don't care if a musical revolution makes me feel middle-aged and irrelevant. I would prefer that to feeling comfortable, easy and sometimes a bit bored by it all.

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And thanks for the Mary Chain links. I love the fact that Warner wanted their style so badly then didn't know what to do with them when they got them. Not sure whether telling their own audiences to fuck off, when people started going to see them in numbers and meaning it was genius, madness or arrogance.


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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/20/2016 6:00:41 PM   
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Evil machine music not played by musos who can rip off Hendrix parrot fashion!

Martin (Soft Cell)
Doctor Mabuse (Propaganda)
Two Tribes (Gay Scousers)
Don't Go (Yazoo)
Warm Leatherette (Grace Jones)
Fade To Grey (some hairdresser and a bunch of attention seekers)
Safety Dance (Men Without Hats)
Whip It (Devo)

(Noisy guitar bands will follow. Or maybe more synth abusers...)


80's music better than 60's music?

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/27/2016 11:13:01 AM   
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Evil machine music not played by musos who can rip off Hendrix parrot fashion!

Martin (Soft Cell)
Doctor Mabuse (Propaganda)
Two Tribes (Gay Scousers)
Don't Go (Yazoo)
Warm Leatherette (Grace Jones)
Fade To Grey (some hairdresser and a bunch of attention seekers)
Safety Dance (Men Without Hats)
Whip It (Devo)

(Noisy guitar bands will follow. Or maybe more synth abusers...)


80's music better than 60's music?

(Are you on crack????)

I'll take this:
Motorhead
over this:
Ken fookin' Dodd
any day. Anybody who wouldn't has issues, I suspect.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 9/29/2016 6:02:05 AM   
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Evil machine music not played by musos who can rip off Hendrix parrot fashion!

Martin (Soft Cell)
Doctor Mabuse (Propaganda)
Two Tribes (Gay Scousers)
Don't Go (Yazoo)
Warm Leatherette (Grace Jones)
Fade To Grey (some hairdresser and a bunch of attention seekers)
Safety Dance (Men Without Hats)
Whip It (Devo)

(Noisy guitar bands will follow. Or maybe more synth abusers...)



You have extremely bad tastes in music dude! The 60s was the undoubted champion decade for popular music.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/3/2016 4:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apart from all of the shite like Ken Dodd and Tiny Tim, dull crooners, novelty records, shitty cocktail jazz, skiffle, mind-numbingly tiresome folk fundamentalists, and other sorry dreck whose very existence is ignored by people who seem to think that the only records you'd hear in the top ten between 1963 and the turn of the '70s were by the Beatles, the Beach Boys or the Stones.


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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/4/2016 1:34:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got to agree with you just from the point of view of the huge diversity of 80s music, compared to the 50s and 60s especially.

You can dislike lots about 80s music. I hated lots of it but most people who don't like 80s music are just missing the sheer variety.

There was a huge creative explosion from Metal to Electronic to Dance. The 80s encompassed everything from the decline of disco and prog rock at the beginning of the decade, to the consolidation of hip hop, and the rise of dance and grunge at the end of the decade.

Some of the best guitar music, alongside New Wave, Goth, Dance, Acid House, Hip Hop, Soul, R&B, Funk, Country, Indie, aspects of Punk and the Manchester scene. The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Propaganda, De La Soul, New Order, Tori Amos, Orange Juice, Crowded House, The Happy Mondays to name some of the artists and bands who were almost minority interests, compared to acts like Queen, Michael Jackson, Guns N' Roses, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Lionel Richie, Depeche Mode, INXS, Phil Collins, David Bowie and Simple Minds.

I don't like everything I have listed, but I still go back to 80s music and find really high quality innovative stuff that I've never heard before.

I'm far from stuck in the past and I like music from the fifties up until the present day. What I like best depends on the way the wind is blowing but, more than most decades, the 80s really has something for everyone if you can be bothered to listen.






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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/5/2016 9:49:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a metal guy I like the 80s the best as a decade for music, but I certainly wouldn't call the 60s or 70s shite. If we're talking about popular mainstream style music though, and not rock or metal, I might say the 80s is the worst, right up there with the right now ... yuck. Not to say that the other decades didn't have regrettable styles of music.

I think popular and mainstream music really got off course when they quit using real instruments ... that hurts music imo.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/5/2016 10:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always thought 80's was like guns and roses, bon jovi and aerosmith time. Those were some great rock music. Like slow rock ballads Era. And the rise of Metallica. Taking heavy metal main stream.

80's is Michael Jackson era too!

Until today, nobody match the originality of uniqueness of his music.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/6/2016 2:55:14 AM   
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As a metal guy I like the 80s the best as a decade for music, but I certainly wouldn't call the 60s or 70s shite. If we're talking about popular mainstream style music though, and not rock or metal, I might say the 80s is the worst, right up there with the right now ... yuck. Not to say that the other decades didn't have regrettable styles of music.

I think popular and mainstream music really got off course when they quit using real instruments ... that hurts music imo.



Boy are you talking to the wrong person if you're speaking to the OP about instruments vs. cheap chip card 'music.'

There are some who apparently can't tell the difference between a modern $20 toy box and an original analog Moog synthesizer. But that's another story.

But yes, nice (acoustic) guitars, pianos, mandolins, etc. make the world go round, not to forget the voices. As for amps, my audio tech guy had the best set-up I ever heard for electric guitar. A ten watt Bogen PA amp formerly for some restaurant into a single 10" Gibson speaker cab. Holy Moses. And yes, it was quite loud enough.







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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/6/2016 5:05:13 AM   
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There are some who apparently can't tell the difference between a modern $20 toy box and an original analog Moog synthesizer. But that's another story.

I've noticed that you can't, yes: you made that very clear in the '60s thread.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/6/2016 5:08:29 AM   
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I'm far from stuck in the past and I like music from the fifties up until the present day. What I like best depends on the way the wind is blowing but, more than most decades, the 80s really has something for everyone if you can be bothered to listen.

I've listened to a LOT of 80's and 90's stuff.
99.9% of it I can't stand - it's just noise to me.

Something for everyone?? Not for me.
There's probably about 10 tracks or so across the whole gamut from early 80's to present day that I could listen to without wanting to turn it off.
Beyond that, I really hate them all.

Being a rock/synth listener, I'm not overly keen on too many vocals either.
And like Edwird said, you really can't beat the full-on warm sound of a Moog played by someone that literally breathes their music (Rick Wakeman comes to mind).
And there again, real instruments sound sooo much nicer than electronic copies of them.

The 60's & 70's were quite limited in scope but they were the bedrock and invention of modern music that many modern bands try to aspire to.
And that's probably why I don't lke the modern stuff.


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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/6/2016 5:32:43 PM   
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There are some who apparently can't tell the difference between a modern $20 toy box and an original analog Moog synthesizer. But that's another story.

I've noticed that you can't, yes: you made that very clear in the '60s thread.


Twas you who equated quite unlike elements to display lack of the most basic aural acuity, not me, sweetheart. If you can quote where I said that today's noise sounds just like Here Comes the Sun, or anything like ELP, then have at it. Oh, but in fact that was you, if we look back at it.

I didn't make the long list of late '60s and '70s and '80s examples in effort to proclaim that was no different than the cheap box noise of today, that was you.

I pointed out the 'beats' thing, wherefrom you immediately directed that to be in consonance, though in fact dis-consonance, with things years ago and sounding nothing at all alike. I mean, good lord, anyone who would direct us to this, Ken fookin' Dodd, as being 'exemplary' of the '60s might not have the best grasp of things. Just sayin'.

Calm down. I don't have issue at all with another's taste, I'm certainly not any paragon in that regard.

Just put on the Kraftwerk and chill, Jill.



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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/7/2016 4:54:02 AM   
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Twas you who equated quite unlike elements to display lack of the most basic aural acuity, not me, sweetheart. If you can quote where I said that today's noise sounds just like Here Comes the Sun, or anything like ELP, then have at it. Oh, but in fact that was you, if we look back at it.

Nope, it was you who started bitching about all post '60s music being dependent on the use of computer chips, rather than proper instruments, then spent a further eight pages throwing an arsey and snide tantrum about that.

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/7/2016 2:54:28 PM   
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it was you who started bitching about all post '60s music being dependent on the use of computer chips



Right ...

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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/7/2016 4:25:14 PM   
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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/8/2016 4:30:29 PM   
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RE: 80's music: way better than that '60s or 70s shite? - 10/9/2016 8:14:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought the 80s were a musical wasteland when you listened to the radio. Punk, Grunge, New Wave, it all sounded distorted and angry in your face. Then the record companies discovered how cheap it was to produce rap and the die was cast.... melodies are a thing of the past and people who want to make music were left in the cold and those who were banging trash cans together while doing bad jump rope chants took the lead.

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