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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/22/2016 10:32:24 AM   
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The National Victim of Crime Survey is conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. It is actual, real data, not a "study". Mine is actual evidence, yours - which you've failed to cite - is no doubt a bunch of mystical bullshit put together by a pro-gun obsessive.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/resource-pages/nations-two-crime-measures

The DoJ runs both the FBI's UCR and the BJS's NVCS. They are complementary data sets. The "UCR Program compiles data from monthly law enforcement reports or individual crime incident records transmitted directly to the FBI or to centralized agencies that then report to the FBI." In other words, it's not a "bunch of mystical bullshit put together by a pro-gun obsessive." The NVCS is compiled from yearly interviews of "a nationally representative sample of approximately 169,000 persons age 12 or older living in households across the nation. Households remain in the sample for 3½ years. New households rotate into the sample on an ongoing basis.

The NCVS collects information on crimes experienced by individuals and households during the six months preceding the interview, whether or not those crimes were reported to law enforcement. A unique feature of the NCVS is that it collects both reported and unreported crimes and reasons the crime was or was not reported."

So, the NVCS records data from interviews and might even collect data from crimes not reported to the police. The UCR only records data from reports about crimes that were reported. Both reports don't cover all the same categories, either.

The link above does a pretty good job at describing both programs.



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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 5:50:46 AM   
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Not to mention, that at the time the Constitution was written a "militia" was a local group of farmers that had firearms and would gather to protect their town. ie: The neighborhood watch


True on the whole but not the whole truth.
The militia's primary job was running down escaped slaves and searching the slave quareters for contraband. The militias kept records of their actions and those records are available for anyone curious about their actions.
We know for example that when abe lincoln was an officer in the militia he could not control his men who constantly broke into the liquor locker and stole the booze and goty hammeered. He was so ineffective as an officer his commander took his sword away and made him wear a wooden one.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 6:06:19 AM   
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It's probably more likely that she'll engage the US in a war with Russia, so the Illuminati (which probably includes her and Putin) come to the fore to rule the entire world.


When has amerika not been at war?

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 7:11:00 AM   
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When has amerika not been at war?


During the first three years of WWI and the first two years of WWII, if memory serves.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 7:40:15 AM   
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When has amerika not been at war?


During the first three years of WWI and the first two years of WWII, if memory serves.


Your memory is faulty in this area.
Google could disabuse you of your ignorance.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 7:49:54 AM   
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It's probably more likely that she'll engage the US in a war with Russia, so the Illuminati (which probably includes her and Putin) come to the fore to rule the entire world.


When has amerika not been at war?



Well if you're right, evidently they rule it now. So i don't see how a war with Russia would help their cause... unless they are Chinese.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 7:55:23 AM   
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It's probably more likely that she'll engage the US in a war with Russia, so the Illuminati (which probably includes her and Putin) come to the fore to rule the entire world.


When has amerika not been at war?



Well if you're right,

I am seldom wrong.


evidently they rule it now.

????

So i don't see how a war with Russia would help their cause... unless they are Chinese.

To my knowledge amerika does not engage powerful opponents in serious combat...skirmishes yes but "fuill tilt boogie" no.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 8:11:54 AM   
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When has amerika not been at war?


During the first three years of WWI and the first two years of WWII, if memory serves.


Your memory is faulty in this area.
Google could disabuse you of your ignorance.


Really? So what was the American involvement in the great war before 1917 or the second world war before 1941, then?

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 8:31:43 AM   
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When has amerika not been at war?


During the first three years of WWI and the first two years of WWII, if memory serves.


Your memory is faulty in this area.
Google could disabuse you of your ignorance.

Really? So what was the American involvement in the great war before 1917 or the second world war before 1941, then?

I am sorry your google is broke.
Amerikan involvement in ww1 and 2 is not the issue. The issue is amerika's constant state of war since our inception in which my family has been a constant since 1832.
We were in china,hati,nicaragua,mexico,panama,hati,dominican republic and least we forget the seminole native "vespuchilanders"
This list is not exhaustive but it is representative


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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 8:50:45 AM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania There is not one atom in my being that does not think this was solely down to the UK and the USA...I wonder where we would be under Germanic rule WW1 - a good question. Where would we be under Hitlers rule - now why did America join that war ah the Hawaii thing

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 9:42:47 AM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.


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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 9:55:33 AM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.


No it is because anti gun morons refuse to remember anything that they don't loke.
Have you seen the 2013 CDC study commissioned by Obama that didn't get the ballyhoo ecpected because it said that there are between .5 m and 3.0m dgus per year.

You don't read my posts but swear I haven't cited something, typical left wing brainiac.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 10:50:17 AM   
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121 pages and it doesnt quite say that, it says a great deal of things and to take that little sliver and say thats what it says is pure factless nutsucker propaganda and typical of the red state welfare patients.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 11:22:55 AM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.


Google will not send me to the study itself however.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence

And you didn't give the report, just the parts you wanted us to see.
Besides your source, by their own admission, basis caclulations of crimes not repoerted. In other words they make it up.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 12:45:48 PM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.

Google will not send me to the study itself however.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence
And you didn't give the report, just the parts you wanted us to see.
Besides your source, by their own admission, basis caclulations of crimes not repoerted. In other words they make it up.


Not really, Bama. The crimes "not reported" are crimes that weren't reported to the police. The NCVS is based on interviews of a large swath of people. Just because a crime wasn't reported to the police doesn't mean it didn't happen. For instance, I had 2 grape vines (still in their retail pots; was going to plant them the next day) and two spare tires (one had a damaged rim, so it didn't matter, and the other fit a previous vehicle, so it didn't matter, either) stolen from my property. There were tire tracks in my yard, so I knew someone had driven through the grass in the back yard, and those 4 things were gone. Was I going to report that to the cops? WTF would they have been able to do? They were stolen some time between 4pm one day, and 4 pm the next. Since I left for work when it was dark out, I wouldn't have noticed the missing items or vehicle tracks in the lawn. I was out $20 for the 2 plants? That crime wasn't reported, but it certainly did happen. Had I been surveyed, I probably would have mentioned it. Some people don't report crimes because they're embarrassed or afraid.

The UCR is compiled from police reports. It can't capture crimes that were committed, but weren't reported. The NCVS compiles data from interviews, so it might capture crimes not reported to the police.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 12:56:41 PM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.

Google will not send me to the study itself however.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence
And you didn't give the report, just the parts you wanted us to see.
Besides your source, by their own admission, basis caclulations of crimes not repoerted. In other words they make it up.


Not really, Bama. The crimes "not reported" are crimes that weren't reported to the police. The NCVS is based on interviews of a large swath of people. Just because a crime wasn't reported to the police doesn't mean it didn't happen. For instance, I had 2 grape vines (still in their retail pots; was going to plant them the next day) and two spare tires (one had a damaged rim, so it didn't matter, and the other fit a previous vehicle, so it didn't matter, either) stolen from my property. There were tire tracks in my yard, so I knew someone had driven through the grass in the back yard, and those 4 things were gone. Was I going to report that to the cops? WTF would they have been able to do? They were stolen some time between 4pm one day, and 4 pm the next. Since I left for work when it was dark out, I wouldn't have noticed the missing items or vehicle tracks in the lawn. I was out $20 for the 2 plants? That crime wasn't reported, but it certainly did happen. Had I been surveyed, I probably would have mentioned it. Some people don't report crimes because they're embarrassed or afraid.

The UCR is compiled from police reports. It can't capture crimes that were committed, but weren't reported. The NCVS compiles data from interviews, so it might capture crimes not reported to the police.

I am aware of that.
Crimes happen that are not reported to the police, however just as the dgus that aren't reported are refered to as an estimate, those should also not be considered hard facts, more reliable than numbers taken from actual reports,.
This is why I refer to .5 m dgus at least with a perhaps as many as (accoridng to cdc) 3 m. It seems from this report that the FBI puts the number at over 1m. That seems far more reliable that the estimations of unreported crimes, and their number of just 59,000 (more recent than his 108,000) is just rediculous.

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 12:57:56 PM   
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It's probably more likely that she'll engage the US in a war with Russia, so the Illuminati (which probably includes her and Putin) come to the fore to rule the entire world.
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Well if you're right, evidently they rule it now. So i don't see how a war with Russia would help their cause... unless they are Chinese.

War with Russia won't simply be a war where Russia and the US are attempting to destroy each other. Certainly, enough damage will occur in both countries, but the bigger picture is to cause enough chaos and destruction to allow the Illuminati to take control.

Only the US and Russia have enough nukes to get the job done to the necessary degree. That's why it has to be the US and Russia (China, England, and France might be party to it, too)

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/23/2016 1:56:33 PM   
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I have cited them so many times that if you actually had paid attention to them you would have it memorized by now, and the FBI is not a right wing gun obssesed group.
I don't read the majority of your posts you fucking moron and if you had anything credible you would've cited it already. My guess it's been comprehensively debunked which is why you dare not cite it now.


Google will not send me to the study itself however.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence

And you didn't give the report, just the parts you wanted us to see.
Besides your source, by their own admission, basis caclulations of crimes not repoerted. In other words they make it up.


From your own link
The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) has estimated that there are between 60,000 and 105,000 DGUs per year. Between the years 1992 and 1994, the NCVS reported there were in total 116,000 DGUs.

* Kleck and Gertz (1995) estimated the annual occurrence of DGUs to be around 2.5 million per year.

* The CDC report made no effort to reconcile the differing estimates of DGUs, except to note that the estimate provided by the Kleck group was larger by an order of magnitude than the estimate arising from the NCVS. The CDC report noted that the estimate of DGU provided by the Kleck group is twice again as large as the estimate of the Dept. of Justice that there are 1.3 million crimes committed with a gun in the USA every year.

* According to the CDC report: “The 2005 National Research Council study found no persuasive evidence from available studies that passage of right to carry laws decrease or increase violent crime. ”


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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/24/2016 10:06:24 AM   
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Looks like many in Hollywood won't be "With her."

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RE: Trump hints at the assassination of Hilary - 9/24/2016 6:22:04 PM   
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The whole Trump family is gun crazy.

Donald Trump's two sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, have killed a Triceratops





Good grief. People are gullible

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